Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination!

[u/mwthecool]

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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[u/[deleted]]

Mark throwing away his figures hit harder than the whole Season 1 finale

https://preview.redd.it/pcsu1e4dbt0c1.png?width=744&format=png&auto=webp&s=0404a13cf2e67cb9b283493367add26ffd56ee86

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/[deleted]]

"What will you have?! After 500 years, what will you have?!"

"My Spider-Man renew your vows Marvel Legends, dad and my Berserk SH figuarts...I'd still have them..."

[u/Napalmeon → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

See, this is the problem with Mark's short-term thinking. Some nerd would have paid him big bucks for those in 20 or 30 years.

[u/5am281 → u/[deleted]]

He came back for Seance Dog at least

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/5am281]

seance dog is his woody

[u/5am281 → u/finnjakefionnacake]

No Amber had his woody

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

He really pulled an "I don't want to play with you anymore" on those poor lost toys.

[u/PerceptionTiny6385 → u/[deleted]]

I couldn’t believe he did that ngl

[u/LMkingly]

I don't think you can just add up your clones lives and say that equals immortal's age lol. Don't think it works quite like that Kate lol.

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/LMkingly]

It'd be funny if Multiple Man in Marvel pulled the same move, just arguing he's technically the oldest being in the entire Marvel universe.

[u/8dev8 → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

Galactus

Lol

Lmao

[u/Any-Zookeepergame137 → u/LMkingly]

It's seems Kate is gonna take Amber's place as the illogical moron of the show

[u/raknor88 → u/Any-Zookeepergame137]

It's an illogical argument. The dude is thousands of years old. He'd be too old for anyone. The real argument should be the fact that he's her boss.

She gave him a stupid reason for an illogical question.

[u/KEVLAR60442 → u/raknor88]

The age thing was a stupid reason, but her real reason, wherein Immortal is the only one who's experienced the pain of death as much as Kate has, is actually a damn good reason.

[u/[deleted] → u/KEVLAR60442]

Yeah it's obvious that she's being facetious about the age thing. I felt reddit has been going a bit downhill lately but seeing so many people who didn't cop that is still quite surprising.

[u/Any-Zookeepergame137 → u/raknor88]

It feels like they want to give the female characters more depth than they had in the comics but their depth just makes them come across like assholes

[u/Vlitzen → u/Any-Zookeepergame137]

Being wrong doesn't make you an asshole lol, Kate seems fine

[u/[deleted] → u/Any-Zookeepergame137]

I mean, she gave the actual justification moments later. I wouldn't be too harsh on her.

[u/Immaeatchorizo → u/LMkingly]

they're not clones they are all her, she is experience all of them at the same time more like a hivemind

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

That Allen fight was brutal, I love how the show shows that whilst Allen is pretty strong, Viltrumite's are just at the next level

[u/raknor88 → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I was actually worried that Allen's girlfriend was going to be the spy. Not Optimus. But that creates lots of other questions.

[u/Grilledwaffles → u/raknor88]

Peter Cullens voice is so distinguishable i couldn't get the transformers noises out my head while watching, "AUTO BOTS LETS ROLL OUT EEHRRAHOHOHEHREEHR"

[u/anders_138 → u/Grilledwaffles]

For real the dude just SOUNDS like a robot

[u/Negativety101 → u/raknor88]

Nobody ever expects Peter Cullen to be the bad guy! If it had been Frank Welker, we'd have totally expected it!

[u/GBKMBushidoBrown → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I was hoping he would at least get a few combos in. But not even. I guess that means the guardians werent just the A tier of earth, they're generally pretty strong by intergalactic standards.

[u/Elon-Moist → u/GBKMBushidoBrown]

It was also 7v1 while this was 1v3

[u/TeaAndCrumpets4life → u/Elon-Moist]

Immortal alone held off Omni-man (who I presume is probably stronger than these people) pretty well, while it was 1v3 Allen basically couldn’t fight back in any way against any of them.

[u/22bebo → u/TeaAndCrumpets4life]

I think Allen also realized that if he pushed back too hard the Viltrumites would possibly go after the space station with civilians on it. He chose to draw their ire so he'd be the only casualty.

He definitely still would have lost, but he may have been able to get an actual hit in.

[u/suss2it → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

They were so casually beating his ass too.

[u/[deleted]]

The most unbelievable part of this show isn't the superheroes, it's the fact that 2 movie tickets only cost 10 dollars.

[u/theredwoman95 → u/[deleted]]

Maybe they got kids' tickets lol, they tend to be cheaper.

[u/Karkava → u/theredwoman95]

Maybe that's why Monster Girl is refusing to solve this by showing the ticket guy her ID. Didn't want to lose her precious children's discount, huh?

[u/Future-Muscle-2214 → u/Karkava]

She had to pay an additional $10 to the fake mom too so I guess that the discount is pretty great.

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/[deleted]]

On the one hand, major cities seem to be attacked by supervillans daily but on the other, movie tickets do seem pretty cheap. It sounds like a good tradeoff.

[u/8dev8]

On the one hand I get Cecil’s issue

On the otherhand.

Mark ignoring orders to save lives really should reassure you.

[u/[deleted] → u/8dev8]

Honestly, Cecil really bothered me in this episode. I know he's been manipulating Mark all season (and even before), but telling Mark that he's like his father for choosing to go save billions of lives is especially scummy.

Cecil is really smart, but constantly gaslighting a teenager is not a good idea to turn them into a well-adjusted adult. I think at some point Mark is going to realize that Cecil only cares about control.

That's why Cecil's such a great character. He's somewhere between good and evil.

[u/LMkingly → u/[deleted]]

To be honest i don't think Cecile was wrong to distrust and not want mark to leave the galaxy on a drop of a hat because a random alien that came out of nowhere who somehow heard about him and specifically came to seek him out asked for help. And we see it ended up being bullshit anyway. Cecile is wrong to keep rubbing omni-man in mark's face anytime they have a disagreement but he wasn't wrong about this.

[u/[deleted] → u/LMkingly]

I get where you're coming from, but I disagree. Mark is a hero, and part of that means taking risks to save lives. Mark had no way of knowing whether the bug alien was telling the truth, but he can't risk it if the alien isn't. How could you live with yourself if you knew that billions of lives were lost because you didn't trust someone?

(And Mark isn't really at risk - if Viltrum knows about him, then they can come to Earth and kill him literally whenever they want. He can't even beat Omni-Man, much less a squad of Viltrumites. There's literally no reason to believe that he's being lured to a trap that he can't handle.)

That's kind of the entire theme of Mark's arc in this season, too. At the start of the season, he blames himself for all the people that "he" killed, like in the subway scene. Everyone tells him it's not his fault, but he needs time to internalize that. In episode 2, he makes the heroic choice to save the fish people - not out of guilt (like he was doing in episode 1) but out of genuine heroism.

His decision in episode 3 is an evolution of that. He's not only learning to be a hero, but he's willing to make his own decisions and trust his instincts. It was a really powerful character moment.

Contrast that to Cecil. Sure, from his perspective, keeping Mark around on Earth is safe. Cecil would probably have no problem with billions of alien critters dying as long as it provides some marginal benefit to Earth. Cecil is not a good person; he's a pragmatic person. But Mark is good. Mark is a hero, and Cecil isn't.

[u/TheAzulmagia]

lol @ the Narrator panicking and rapidly cutting away from Allen getting tentacled

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/TheAzulmagia]

I like to picture him thinking "Shit! They didn't teach me about this in silver age exposition narrator school!"

[u/Karkava → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

"Oh no! Amber and Mark are also getting down and dirty! I'm stuck between two different plot threads on points that I can't show on television! What do I do?! Uhhhhh...how about that cat? Oh yes! Let's look at the cat! He has interesting stories to tell!"

[u/[deleted] → u/Karkava]

\Cat proceeds to show it's two buttholes**

[u/bobw123]

I know they are Viltrumites but man they put 0 effort into trying to get information out of Allen

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/bobw123]

Viltrumite's, it turns out are not great at interrogation. Makes me laugh picturing one of them as a detective and saying "Alright! What were you doing at the docks that night when-oh uhh chief, yeah I uhhh squashed another head. Yeah, sorry."

[u/Theoldage2147 → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

Reminds me of when I'm playing an RPG game where a mission requires me to be sneaky or interrogate enemies to get information but I rather just kill them all cus I can just do that easily and still finish. That's how the viltrumites view it, they're so strong they can just destroy anything and bypass any need for diplomacy, stealth and side quests.

[u/zoon_politikon_ → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

"If you refuse I will kill you. Please, refuse."

[u/Jack1066 → u/bobw123]

I'm a bit confused how Allen was even alive the first time he got beaten by the Viltrumites (in his background story)? They don't seem like the people to leave someone half dead, or maybe they couldn't gauge how durable he was and just thought that was enough to kill him?

Either way, these viltrumites do not seem geared for anything but war. I know their purge got rid of anyone 'weak', but does that mean it got rid of anyone who didn't just think the exact same way?

[u/AreMoron → u/Jack1066]

They left him half dead this time too

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/AreMoron]

tbf i think anyone would have assumed that was the end of him lol

[u/SatinySquid_695 → u/Jack1066]

Imagine punching somebody and they travel a few miles before making a crater. Who really has time to track his trajectory and investigate?

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[u/regretfulposts → u/bobw123]

"Okay let's do bad cop, worse cop, and enabling cop."

–Thula probably

[u/mwthecool]

Wow, the fake credits were brutal. Unless the rest of the episode is technically a post credits scene?

[u/BlazingFire007 → u/mwthecool]

I just got to that, and came here to ask why they were even there? It’s also worth noting that the Amazon prime app also changed to make it look like the episode was almost over.

Edit: nope, I’m just an idiot, they did not change the episode time

[u/fatcuntwrestler → u/BlazingFire007]

That was the end of the Allen the Alien episode, was I think why they had credits there.

[u/bbucksjoe → u/mwthecool]

Fake credits totally got me, I had to go back after the episode was to see how much episode was after that point

[u/5am281 → u/mwthecool]

It’s gonna be funny see react channels go crazy “THATS IT!!!!!”

[u/Business_Reporter420]

It’s crazy how Allen turned out to be such a good-natured person despite being breeded into a fighting machine. Wish I could say the same about a villain in another fellow Amazon prime video superhero show

[u/regretfulposts → u/Business_Reporter420]

Probably because

A) he seems to experience life normally rather than being in labs for most of his life

B) There's still a lot of people who can literally tore open his asshole, so he can't be a bully. At least he knows that he should use his skills for good rather than abusing it.

[u/raknor88 → u/regretfulposts]

There's still a lot of people who can literally tore open his asshole, so he can't be a bully. At least he knows that he should use his skills for good rather than abusing it.

For all we know, he very well could've been on his way to being Homelander until he had his first fight with a Viltrumite. Then he had a reality check.

[u/Napalmeon → u/regretfulposts]

Exactly. He has a job, but then he comes home to an apartment, has a girlfriend, and otherwise lives a normal life. 

[u/Jack1066]

I'm actually so gullible that I genuinely thought that was Seance Dog that had somehow gotten to their dimension. That entire explanation he was trying to say had already convinced me lmao. Really hoping Nolan was a part of that brainstorm to try and dupe Mark into coming

Also how is Debbie that surprised one of the support group was someone who's partner was murdered by Omni-Man? She already knows Olga suggested it in the first place, and I guess there was no fish-wife there, but she had to have at least suspected that would be a possibility. I guess she's still dealing with the inability to equate the Nolan that she knew for 20 years, and the Omni-Man that murdered thousands

[u/[deleted] → u/Jack1066]

It makes sense that she was surprised. First of all, she thought she knew all of the Guardians' partners. She even expresses shock that Green Ghost even had a partner. Imagine if you're friends with someone for years and find out after their death that they had a long-time boyfriend they never mentioned.

Second, superheroes die pretty often in the line of work. That's just part of it. Omni-Man didn't really kill that many superheroes - what, seven or eight? So the odds of a random dead superhero being one of the few that Omni-Man actually killed are extremely small.

It was great writing. I saw the twist coming, but the emotional beats really worked.

[u/shrikerm → u/[deleted]]

Omni-Man didn't really kill that many superheroes - what, seven or eight?

And one was a fish and another a Martian dude.

[u/Regi413 → u/[deleted]]

Isn’t the female green ghost that was killed by Omni-Man a pretty new member to the team? So Debbie couldn’t have known her that long. In the Atom Eve special there was a male green ghost so it’s like a mantle or something.

[u/bobw123 → u/Jack1066]

Yeah Seance Dog I probably would have fell for or at least heard it out. The bug person leading Mark to a potential trap is something that went off in my head immediately - I'm shocked Cecil didn't open with that.

[u/5am281 → u/Jack1066]

We saw gender-bent Donald, why couldn’t Seance Dog be real hahaha

[u/TheBananaMonster12]

Now I'm no superhero by any means, but I have to imagine Cecil should've gone over in orientation something along the lines of "Hey by the way, it *is* possible for people to lie to you, and don't just get on space ships with random aliens"

Especially when said random alien somehow knows his actual name lmao

[u/nepo5000 → u/TheBananaMonster12]

Cecil doesn’t tell anyone anything until they absolutely have to know it, it’s probably his worst quality when it comes to working with people he can actually trust

[u/AlienWarhead → u/TheBananaMonster12]

Yeah I don’t get why Cecil didn’t say “what if he’s lying to you”, that seems like something Cecil would say

[u/Klutzy-Rooster-6805]

went from funny sex narration 4th wall breaking to allen getting severely fucked up in front of his girl. while watching how she was reacting. damn.

[u/Scaevus → u/Klutzy-Rooster-6805]

while watching how she was reacting

I have a suspicion that she is, in fact, the mole.

[u/[deleted] → u/Scaevus]

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[u/NinduTheWise → u/[deleted]]

Bay verse Optimus was a serial killer and a psychopath

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/[deleted]]

I don't fully buy that he's the mole. Beyond the fact that it'd be too obvious, why would he even mention there being a mole? Especially if he knew the viltrumites would come anyway? Seems like an unnecessary way to draw suspicion. Shutting off the life support could also be as much to make sure the viltrumites couldn't get information on Mark out of him, and he did apologize as he did it.

[u/inconspicuous_male → u/Scaevus]

But the leak had already made it to the Viltrumites when Allen told her. I thought she was too at first. My guess right now is Thaddeus just because of what he did with Allen. I have no idea why but I'm reminded of Episode 1 where I thought Omni Man was brainwashed or working for the greater good or something, but it turns out he was just evil

[u/Madi27 → u/Klutzy-Rooster-6805]

Yeah everything was feeling super lighthearted and funny and all of a sudden Allen is getting the life beat out of him and the music behind that scene is making me wanna cry. Huge shift.

[u/Exatal123]

I feel super bad for Debbie man she deserves the best. Also idk if this is an unpopular opinion but after this episode I sorta like Amber a bit more.

The way this episode ended though shocked me.

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/Exatal123]

I love how the show is exploring Debbie's grief, just feeling like you never really knew you're spouse and the guilt over what he did and how you can really only talk about it with your son but he has his own baggage with it, so you're just stuck really.

[u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS → u/Exatal123]

Feels like they’re trying to make up for the whole “I knew you were a hero the whole time” thing. Don’t think they expected her to be so hated after that so they made her as sweet as possible this season lol

[u/Exatal123 → u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS]

Yea it was kinda disappointing to see but I blame the writing mostly. I hope they can improve her character even more. I kinda wish we saw like her reaction to Mark telling her “I love you” and her saying it back or something as they’re leaving.

[u/Lucifer_Crowe → u/Exatal123]

I really liked the way they were communicating before getting it on

"So, you aren't gonna crush me right?"

Felt like she'd watched The Boys

[u/Carefreekid101 → u/Exatal123]

Well, the funny thing is Amber, from what I can recall, wasn't really that bad until that one episode. What I mostly remember is Mark making promises but not being able to keep them.

[u/MindStatic64 → u/Carefreekid101]

She was totally fine in season one, take out one bad line and she's a perfectly fine character. Even with the line she's sorta okay, you can kind of handwave it, she's pretty justified in being pissed off for the most part.

[u/8dev8]

No Rex your just an asshole

I love that Rex just goes “Yeah?” At least he’s honest lol.

But also lmao, the immortals much bigger dick, Rex at least tries to get along with people in his own way

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/8dev8]

Given the way Immortal has acted in the show I like to think his secret service detail saw Boothe when Immortal was Lincoln and thought "Ehhh, is this really the worst thing?"

[u/chriswizardhippie → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I hate to be that guy but love history, Secret Service wasn't a thing for protecting the president until 1901 after the second presidential assassination

[u/AssGasorGrassroots → u/chriswizardhippie]

It is fucking wild that it took two people just walking up to the goddamn president and just fucking killing them before the government was like, "maybe we need some security on this guy"

[u/StarStriker51 → u/AssGasorGrassroots]

They did have security, it just wasn’t the full on secret service as we know and call it today. It also was definitely lacking in many ways because Lincoln’s guard for the night left the theater to get drunk. I remember there was no evidence he was working with Boothe, they guy was just incompetent

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

Screw it, change the name to Shapesmith's show now.

[u/[deleted] → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I hope they do something with Shapesmith. He's okay in small doses, but I don't really like the character yet. Plus it's hard to believe that the Guardians just took him in despite knowing nothing about him.

I get that he's comic relief right now, but comic relief should still be consistent with the logic of the show. For example, the magic dog gag was excellent because it was silly and made sense in the context of the show.

[u/_Valisk → u/[deleted]]

hard to believe that the Guardians just took him in despite knowing nothing about him

He's a normal human superhero, what else do you need to know

[u/DW-4 → u/_Valisk]

Jackie Daytona, normal human bartender from Tucson Arizonia

[u/LMkingly → u/[deleted]]

Plus it's hard to believe that the Guardians just took him in despite knowing nothing about him.

Yeah this seems super weird to me. Can any random guy with super powers just join up? No thorough background checks or anything required? I thought Cecile was more careful than that.

[u/[deleted] → u/LMkingly]

Yeah, it be passable if Cecil and Immortal weren't in charge, but neither of them would allow some stranger to join.

And did the writers forget that there was a whole interview process to join the Guardians in season 1? It took up a whole episode lol. Season 2 has been incredible except for the Shapesmith stuff, which just feels off. Hopefully there's some big payoff or it's not how it seems.

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/[deleted]]

that was how robot handled things, that isn't necessarily how things work in general.

[u/DoctorJJWho → u/finnjakefionnacake]

Honestly Immortal might just actually know Shapesmith is a Martian; he worked with one closely before so is probably somewhat familiar with their quirks and how they attempt to be human.

[u/theredwoman95]

"We have dogs! Dogs are real!"

Quote of the episode, right there.

[u/WindWielder → u/theredwoman95]

r/dogsarentreal is in shambles rn

[u/theredwoman95]

Poor narrator. Stuck between... tentacles and a hard place?

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/theredwoman95]

Thankfully, the tentacles remain flaccid...up until a point unfortunately.

[u/[deleted] → u/theredwoman95]

Tentacles, dorm sex, and a space-cat licking its twin buttholes. Not a great selection of options for our poor narrator.

[u/pabsthekid]

Debbie cannot catch a break

[u/[deleted] → u/pabsthekid]

What do you mean? Her and Omni-Man are on one right now. /jk

[u/Smash96leo → u/pabsthekid]

Theo really a dickhead for reacting like that ngl. I know he’s in pain too, but jesus man.

[u/Kiranipator → u/Smash96leo]

Man really ignored the fact that she mentioned how Mark was almost beat to death by Nolan too. At least GG went out quickly but Mark took more hits than all the Guardians combined. Plus she has to live with the fact that all those people died cause of the man she loved

[u/Napalmeon → u/Kiranipator]

People want somebody to blame in situations like this. Nolan disappeared, so, his wife standing right in front of one of the spouses of the victims? She's the closest person to blame.

[u/2SP00KY4ME → u/Napalmeon]

Plus, being married to him for 20 years, I can see how it'd be hard for him to believe she truly knew nothing. I could probably convince myself that she must've known something was wrong about him and just hid it.

[u/mylegsweat]

That fight scene with those three Viltrumites and Alan was amazing!! They are so fast, they were seemingly teleporting between hits. So ruthless. Can’t wait to see more development within that.

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/mylegsweat]

I've said it before but, the show does such a good job of showing that despite being strong, Allen's no real match and the Viltrumite's are just on this different level of speed, strength and brutality.

[u/mylegsweat → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I love Alan’s little smile. Knowing there’s no way out, he then decides to mock them… They toy with him like a pack of intergalactic dogs. Smashing him up, ripping off his arm and eventually slamming her whole arm through his stomach (the Viltrumite classic).

[u/ganzgpp1 → u/mylegsweat]

I'm also SO very glad he's aware enough to know "these guys are the bad guys. Like the actual worst. If I lie to them, they'll kill me. If I tell them the truth, they'll STILL kill me. Might as well have some fun and not give out any information since it's a lose-lose either way."

Too many shows write the good guy giving some semblence of trust to the baddies and it always turns out poorly.

[u/[deleted] → u/mylegsweat]

eventually slamming her whole arm through his stomach (the Viltrumite classic).

They do like their doughnut-punches.

[u/kzoxp → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

And it seems in this episode, they especially focused on Viltrumite speed, first with Mark almost teleporting to turn the light off

[u/MegaBaumTV → u/kzoxp]

And it seems in this episode, they especially focused on Viltrumite speed, first with Mark almost teleporting to turn the light off

They emphasized the Viltrumite superpowers quite a bit. Mark questioning whether drugs would work on him, the super sperm comment...

[u/Jackbo_Manhorse]

Mr. Peanutbutter narrating an episode of Invincible? What is this, a crossover episode?

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88 → u/Jackbo_Manhorse]

"Is Nolan a Zoe or a Zelda - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate."

[u/silverhammer96 → u/Jackbo_Manhorse]

Mr Peanutbutter and Optimus Prime in a show together? What is this, a crossover episode?

[u/kzoxp]

Of course they end it like that. And fuck Theo

[u/TheAzulmagia → u/kzoxp]

To be fair, he's not exactly in a great headspace either. From his point of view, Debbie hasn't lost anything the same way that they have.

[u/zombizle1 → u/TheAzulmagia]

Omniman's fist was in his wife's headspace

[u/Daredevil_17 → u/zombizle1]

That’s probably the best joke I’ve ever read in an online comment

[u/mwthecool]

The ALLEN THE ALIEN title change is legendary

[u/anders_138 → u/mwthecool]

The title card subversion has been great this season

[u/Sketheteretaavan]

love that Amber asked Mark if he had super sperm. first thing I wondered was if Mark's shot was going to be punching holes through the roof like will smith in Hancock

[u/5am281 → u/Sketheteretaavan]

I was like umm cool you got condemns but those weren’t made for super sperm. But Also Mark exists and Debbie didn’t die so yea no super sperm

[u/Financial_Rent_7978 → u/5am281]

You can see his mind going through that in the episode. He pauses for a minute and you can see him thinking like “hmm… never asked dad about that…. But mom’s a human… wait, ewwwww….”

[u/armyofbeees]

They did the bit with Allen so well, I’m so glad they kept the cheesy old fashioned style of storytelling like the comics. I didn’t think we’d get omni man already so I was literally screaming when he showed up

[u/KillForPancakes → u/armyofbeees]

Loved that they brought in a narrator to do the pan outs from the couples getting it on.

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[u/Mysterious-Part-8443]

This is why we only give first names at the meeting Debbie

[u/Karkava → u/Mysterious-Part-8443]

He broke the guidelines first.

[u/theredwoman95]

I knew exactly what they were setting up when we saw Robot's brain when Amanda was walking up, and it was still absolutely adorable to see his brain light up when he realised she was there!

[u/LMkingly → u/theredwoman95]

I'm going to be honest this relationship still kinda weirds me out. Setting aside Robot intentionally creating a child body from his teammates stolen DNA so he could vibe better with Monster girl...I just can't help but think if i was reverted back to a twelve year old i'd never be able to date a twelve year old looking girl/boy even if i knew it was a fellow adult trapped inside a child's body. Just too weird and gross lol. It makes me side eye monster girl and robot whether its fair or not.

[u/oops_I_have_h1n1 → u/LMkingly]

Nah the only weird thing is Robot making a clone of Rex without his consent. The relationship itself is perfectly fine, not like they have many other options anyway, given the situation they're both in.

[u/ananabf → u/oops_I_have_h1n1]

I feel like it would be a lot weirder if he hadn’t been a blob monster before getting his new body

[u/bootyholebrown69 → u/ananabf]

Yeah exactly. He didn't really have a choice. And he didn't choose a child's body solely for the purpose of getting with monster girl. I think he also wanted to experience what it's like to "grow up" and go from a child to an adult, like a normal human. An experience he never would have been able to have otherwise. The only weird thing is he chose rex's DNA without consent.

[u/ikarikh → u/LMkingly]

But that's kinda the point of why he likes her. He's not lusting over a 12 year old's body. He's finding kinship with a personality that has experienced being "trapped" in a body like he has.

Him making a young Rex body was done purely from a "logical" standpoint that given her visual age and lust for rex, a young rex would be the most desirable physical body to appease her.

From Rudy's standpoint, none of this has to do with sexuality. It's akin to an aromantic relationship where he is into her for her, not her body or genitals.

He simply calculated the best option to appeal to "her" desires to increase his chances of getting her to like him back.

It's possible the two may have a sexual relationship down the line as she helps him to experience human emotions and experiences more now.

But it wasn't his original intent. As he has spent his entire life prior reacting to everything exclusively from a purely logical standpoint devoid of full expression of senses, emotions, etc.

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[u/Merik0405]

Mark lost his virginity. Does this mean he has to stop listening to Radiohead?

[u/Lolbwah916 → u/Merik0405]

yeah no unfortunately mark is no longer lame

[u/internetsomebody2]

Debbie practically catching a stray and being blamed for not knowing about Nolan's intentions was really messed up. Cause HOW was she supposed to know if he was a good liar? 😭

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/internetsomebody2]

she wasn't, but that's not the point. he's grieving and he lashed out. they're all fucked up. of course it's not her fault, but the man going to group therapy over his wife/partner being murdered is not exactly in the frame of mind to be at peace with that yet.

[u/Gag180 → u/finnjakefionnacake]

she wasn't, but that's not the point. he's grieving and he lashed out. they're all fucked up.

This is exactly why the meeting has rules against revealing identities, and these two broke it on Debbie's first day.

[u/coggdawg]

Was that… Optimus fucking Prime?

[u/xd_R4z0r → u/coggdawg]

It was Optimus fuckin prime

[u/raknor88]

Yay, I was worried that Optimus was going to be a viltrumite. Of course he's still the leader of a galactic resistance.

Edit: well, WTF?

Edit2: again, holy crap, WTF? That ending.

[u/Mrwright96 → u/raknor88]

Watching Donkey Kong explain to Optimus Prime that Some dude wanting pictures of a spider guy, left his post and his son, a zombie apocalypse survivor (I think?) is on their side is honestly fun to imagine.

Plus it’s entirety plausible now thanks to Fortnite

[u/8dev8]

I cannot blame Mark for reacting to the wizard dog like that lmao.

But also poor bug boy D:

[u/5am281 → u/8dev8]

Bro said it took most of his life to travel 6 earth days 😭😭

[u/ganzgpp1 → u/5am281]

He's obviously a liar- he'd be dead by the time he got back, and he was lying about the meteors threatening his home. He was also lying about how he knew Mark's name (said it's spread across the galaxy, which I doubt since Allen JUST brought the info back, Nolan probably just the bug to bring Mark to him)

[u/Yeti342]

Man rex is a piece of shit but he's kinda based ngl. "Yeah I'm a terrible person and I suck EVERYONE KNOWS THAT ALREADY"

[u/[deleted] → u/Yeti342]

Rex is an asshole, but he's an enjoyable asshole.

[u/axb2002]

Why did they jump poor Seth Rogen Alien like that :(

We gotta spin the block for Allen.

[u/midnightvibes95 → u/axb2002]

I'm ready to run their pockets for doing that to my boy like that 😤

[u/IHateRednecks07]

3 different episodes and 3 extremely different setups. Not sure how this is all gonna connect, with angstrom, lizard league, and now these bug people, but I’m all for it

[u/xHoodedMaster → u/IHateRednecks07]

You are in for the ride of a lifetime. People aren't memeing when they say it is the best superhero comic in the universe.

[u/Coltshokiefan → u/IHateRednecks07]

This universe has a ridiculous amount of villains and characters to keep track of. Not all of them are huge setups, but they will most likely reoccur or just get straight up conclusions at some point.

I really hope we get a lot of seasons of this show because I can see that they’re setting up practically every character from the comics rather than focusing on a few. Hell, Debbie is getting more character development than she did in the comics. Love this adaptation.

[u/Frontier246]

I should've seen the title reveal coming when they just casually called him Invincible in the first few minutes. Good for Allen though! His origin story and even the title card!

Mark had a pretty eventful day of college! Punches in his v-card, meets his comic book hero, gets off on a new space adventure...and reunites with his dad!

Mark giving away his collection hit me in the heart. I'm glad he didn't give away Seance Dog in the end, he just couldn't part with it.

Poor Debbie. She had a chance at a real support group and friends who could help her process her grief but she ended up talking to the worst person to reveal the truth to who had the worst reaction to her husband's identity. And now Mark is gone.

I like that Mark and William still remember Rick and both feel responsible for what happened to him. William was a total bro here.

What a way to transition away from sex. Kind of hard when both main characters are banging!

Optimus Prime is leading the Coalition of Planets against the Viltrumites? Nice.

I love how Allen's pet has one eye and he has a smoking hot girlfriend voiced by Tatiana Malsany.

The Viltrumites have no chill.

Feels like two episodes in one the way they had the credits in the middle.

Kate and Immortal are still kind of inappropriate but I guess it makes sense when Kate explains why she's attracted to him. And Rex is still impossible.

Robot and Monster Girl sitting in a tree...but they looked really cute together here.

Oh, hi Nolan! That was quick!

[u/[deleted] → u/Frontier246]

Oh, hi Nolan!

The narrator this episode: "So anyway, how is your sex life?"

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I really like how they're exploring Debbie's grief over what Nolan did to the guardians, it's something I don't remember being touched on a lot in the comics but it's really interesting seeing it done in the show.

[u/raknor88 → u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

I wasn't sure if they'd have her confess there at the end. I'm curious to see if he'll do anything to her now in an illogical move for revenge.

[u/jojcece]

How did William get out that far into the woods that fast lmao

[u/Radix2309 → u/jojcece]

The power of not getting any.

[u/shinyscreen18]

I’m happy with the direction they’re taking Amber.

I get that in the first season she’s meant to be a subversion of the love interest who learns of the superhero identity and meekly concedes that their needs would always come second to the hero’s job, but I feel as if expressing that frustration as explosive anger towards Mark made people focus on the wrong things. Thinking “Amber is being unreasonable” instead of “This is emotionally tolling on Amber”

Instead showing Amber WANTING to support Mark but it taking a clear toll on her is a better imo. It puts an emphasis on the subversion they were going for in season 1 as well as paralleling Debbie’s story this season. Though I feel bad that a lot of people have probably already written off her character.

[u/mwthecool]

I have been waiting for this episode's ending for quite a while... I'm so excited that we get to share the excitement with the show only folks! How does everyone feel about the return?

[u/[deleted] → u/mwthecool]

as a show viewer who is just about to start the comics, i think it’s insanely impressive how omni man has returned after only 3 episodes, but these 3 episodes have been so dense and tightly packed that it doesn’t feel rushed. Loving this season so far and the expansion of the lore and universe has me so excited to read the comics. I can see the scope already

[u/Viserionthegold]

Loved how you can hear both the sorrow and joy in Omni-Man’s voice after seeing Mark after all this time. Amazing voice work by J.K. Simmons as always

[u/HammerPrice229]

Well didn’t expect Omni man to be there. I kept thinking this was going to be some trap to get mark away from earth and for the Viltrumites to see who he really is, bug people seemed sus and especially when he let the meteors thing go.

[u/Jack1066 → u/HammerPrice229]

I was thinking the same, but then I think there is also no way those Viltrumites use anything like subterfuge, if we assume they're like the ones who attacked Allen. They should just turn up and start whaling on Mark is my most likely bet (and its been too long since Mark got the shit beat out of him)

[u/BlackWunWun]

Debbie they literally told you first names only and now you know why

[u/Garlan_Tyrell → u/BlackWunWun]

Other dude broke the rule first, then got mad when it immediately became apparent why it’s supposed to be anonymous.

[u/Spimanbcrt65]

Why don't the viltrumites just kill the council lol

[u/fragiletestes → u/Spimanbcrt65]

I thought the same but then I also thought: Since Theadus is possibly on their side, the council is used for collecting galactic info. Keep your enemies close ya know

[u/GuudeSpelur → u/fragiletestes]

Yeah if Allen is their #1 guy then they're clearly not a real threat to the Viltrumites yet. And if you can plant a mole on the inside, you'll find out quickly if they manage to find someone who is a threat. Might be better to know what direction the real threat would eventually come from vs having them come out of nowhere.

[u/silverhammer96]

I feel so bad for Debbie! Also so strange how Olga and Debbie are so close and seemingly Aquarius’s wife, yet never knew Green Ghost’s husband. Maybe he’ll take up the mantle? And on the discussion of spouses, did anyone get the vibe in season 1 that War Woman and her business associate were closer than just coworkers?

[u/nepo5000 → u/silverhammer96]

This is actually covered by the same explanation for why she died to omniman instead of phasing out and running away. She was the “new” green ghost so it’s apparently some kind of mantle and she just got super unlucky with having basically no experience before omniman turned.

[u/MichaeltheSpikester → u/silverhammer96]

I get he's grieving but he was a dick to tell Debbie not to come back to the group and cast her out (How dare cast someone out in need of mental help, nice move asshole). Whatever happened to not judging others on their relatives or spouses? Don't think people would know better? He clearly sees how devastated Debbie is.

His fault for even inviting her for drinks in the first place.

[u/conman425 → u/MichaeltheSpikester]

What’s even worse is HE’s the one who broke the rule, and then goes as far as to say DEBBIE cannot come back, fuck that guy, he should be booted from group

[u/qpwjwhst]

They really did pull a 180 with amber

[u/silverhammer96 → u/qpwjwhst]

She’s already so much more likeable

[u/BassCreat0r]

ALLEN NOOOO!!! WHAT THE FUCK!!!

And daddy O is in exile ruling over bug people!?

Is it Thursday yet?

[u/ninjyte]

Am I crazy or did Optimus Prime's drip look very similar to the Viltrumite uniforms in the flashback lore scene?

[u/Yeti342 → u/ninjyte]

He is like so OBVIOUSLY a viltrumite it hurts. Even before he shut off Allen's life support.

[u/DiseaseRidden → u/Yeti342]

But like because it's so obvious it makes me doubt that he is, yknow? Like this show wouldn't make it THAT obvious, and shutting off the life support to keep information about Mark out of viltrumite hands kinda makes sense. At least feels like a Cecil kind of move

[u/2-2Distracted]

Everybody be fucking! - okay not really, but still lol.

Peter Cullen/Optimus Prime being the voice of a peacekeeper in a war, that's quite ironic, though probably not really considering what he did to a recovering Allen.

In case it wasn't obvious enough, Amber was never against Mark saving lives, she was against being lied to & kept in the dark for the Reason (read: Excuse) of saving lives, especially when it's been showcased time and time again that Mark is an absolute terrible liar. He's almost as bad as Insomniac Miles Morales in his debut game being terrible at keeping his identity secret.

Anyways, this episode was fantastic. Rudy and Amanda bonding & "growing" was really good. And it's really good to see the writers flesh out Kate to some extent, though her reasoning for banging a several millennia asshole cave man is shaky at best.

But I'm most excited to see Rex be fleshed out, everyone keeps going on about their pasts in some way or another, and he's the only one who hasn't, so with any luck he eventually will.

And DAMN, I was hoping to see Debbie get some good therapy and have the occasional drink, but nope, it looks like she's going to be 100% with the bottle because no one is willing to put their shit aside and help her. Like shit dude I know you lost your wife but you shutting Debbie out because of what she didn't know is beyond fucked up.

[u/ViperrMageRB]

if alan fucking dies i swear to christ

[u/Madi27]

The fact that that bug showed up as Seance Dog means that Nolan had a conversation with him about Mark's interests. It adds some layers when you think about Nolan leaving earth with tears in his eyes after Mark says "I'd still have you Dad."

Thought Mark and Amber's scene was really sweet and genuine.

That guy from the support group is a bastard, I do not care how much pain he's in.

Allen getting the life beat out of him really cut me deep when I was feeling very light hearted about this episode. The music that played during that moment was super emotional and definitely accomplished what it set out to do.

Also I'm scared lol

[u/qualtyoperator]

All I could hear was Optimus Prime, honestly really distracting lol

[u/8dev8]

Rudy learning to people is sweet, MG is good for him.

[u/Whiskeyjacks_Fiddle]

Does the Council chamber look like the Mass Effect council chamber to anyone else?

[u/xHoodedMaster]

Bro did Mark's ENTIRE high school go to Upstate University?

[u/mmcintoshmerc_88]

After that title change now I think that whenever Allen's not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Allen?"

[u/Marikk15]

Question:

Nuelzot claims that the journey to Earth took “most of his life”. Most meaning over 50%. Yet he was able to make the trip back without (visibly) aging at all. So was that just another one of his lies?

[u/mylegsweat → u/Marikk15]

Haha yeah, definitely a lie. I was also thinking it was strange Mark just gladly got onboard, knowing it took the alien half it’s life. That could still be fucking ages for Mark lol

[u/pippa420]

William immediately closing the door on Seance Dog is just too funny 😭😭

[u/PerceptionTiny6385]

The ending though? I know that left a lot of y’all speechless!

[u/Venocious]

I read the whole series and I still had chills the entire episode.

10/10.

[u/[deleted]]

Wow, this episode was fantastic. The stuff with Debbie last week felt like filler since it didn't give us any new information, but all of her scenes in this episode were amazing. I loved the scene where she kept deliberating whether to text Mark again. Mark and Nolan were her whole life, and she's been in a void since Nolan left, and Mark leaving to college makes her feel completely alone. The support group came at the right time, and losing that at the end felt so tragic because Debbie must feel truly alone now.

The magic dog scene was so funny. "We have dogs here" is the hardest I've laughed so far in the entire show. Mark's reaction was really smart. I also loved how Mark took charge with Cecil. "I have to listen to myself before I listen to you" is a great line and shows great growth for Mark.

The ending was really predictable, but I was so excited to see/hear Omni-Man that I didn't mind. It doesn't seem like he's returned to the Viltrumite Empire since his garb looked completely different, and the whole vibe of the planet seemed intended to signal to us that Omni-Man has actually changed. Plus narratively it works really well with Debbie's story in this episode.

I really enjoyed the little side quest with Marvin Allen. It felt like a little mini-episode within the series. I hope this isn't the last we see of him - the implication is that he survived, and that would be a lot more satisfying narratively.

This episode felt really long (in a good way!), especially with the credits fakeout in the middle. I'm really sad that there's only one more episode until next year.

(Edit: I'm tired and somehow wrote "Marvin" instead of "Allen.")