r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Nov 17 '23

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination! EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

they're not clones they are all her, she is experience all of them at the same time more like a hivemind

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23

That makes saying she's equal to thousands of years old still not make sense to me. Time doesn't work like that hivemind or not. Like i get she's trying to count up the different experiences she has with different clones but the logic of "my two clones did two different things today so i'm actually two days older" seems faulty to me.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

it doesnt have to do with how times work, but how kate perceive it, imagine she use kate 2 to cook for 1 hr and kate 3 to make a drink for another hour, when she absorve both she has 1 hr of experience cooking and another 1 hour of making drinks.

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u/Wolf6120 Cecil Stedman Nov 20 '23

This brought up an interesting question when she was working out at the gym, actually. I understand that she simultaneously retains all the experience/memories of all her copies, but seemingly that can't be the case with physical progress too, right, otherwise she would die the moment one of her copies does.

Cause it was the number 1 Kate actually lifting the weights while the others just stood around or spotted her, cause I'm guessing that the copies also working out on their own would have no actual benefit for her, physically? But then, like, even Kate Number 1 isn't really "Kate Prime" since we know the Number 1 can die and she just carries on as one of the others, so I guess it's just a matter of having one body work out and then absorbing all the others into that so the next batch of duplicates reap the benefits? Now I'm wondering how that works in terms of things like eating and sleeping, if they all need to or if it's enough for one to do so for all of them.

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u/Distinct-Tune9870 Nov 19 '23

That logic makes sense, but the math doesn't. If she had 9 copies going *all the time* she'd be 10 times her current age. Still more than 10 *times* younger than immortal.

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u/Aarondo99 Nov 19 '23

It’s not physical age though, it’s mental age

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u/LoganJFisher Nov 20 '23

Even so, she couldn't be more than a fraction of his mental age. Not to mention that an important part of age is living through changes in the world. Even if their mental ages were the same, he has actually lived through the rise and fall of numerous great empires and massive cultural shifts throughout the world. She has only lived in late 20th and early 21st century America.

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u/GrandioseGommorah Nov 18 '23

But it’s not two separate perceptions. They’re both the same person and both aware of what each other is doing. It’s like cooking with one hand for an hour and making drinks with the other hand for an hour.

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u/pseudo_nemesis Nov 19 '23

but she has multiple hands and multiple brains. So it's safe to say her ability to perceive and log the experiences she does whilst multitasking is much more fine tuned and capable than if a normal person were multitasking with just two hands.

She very well may and should be able to perceive multiple instances at once, thus making her "experienced time" multiplicably higher.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23

Yeah i know but still seems like false equavelance to me. Isn't this just advanced multitasking? She's doing all those things at the same time perceiving them at the same time. I can make dinner and a drink at the same time in one hour. Does this mean i have lived for two hours more than someone who only spent that time making either a drink or dinner? If her mind can process being a hivemind isn't she just really good at doing alot of things at the same time? She's doing all these things simultanously. The perception of time for her should be the same as for me as its all the same moment she is experiencing. She can just balance more actions in that moment than me.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

yes you can cook and make a drink at the same hour, thats not the point tho, the point is that you cant go to brazil and hawaii at the same time, kate can, and when she absorve them she has memory of doing both separately,

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

But she is a hivemind no? Hiveminds experience things concurrently right? So its the same thing in practice only applied on a bigger scale right? If her clones are a hivemind she doesn't perceive these events separately. She doesn't experience them separately. It's all happening at the same time in the same moment.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

i dont know man, to me makes perfect sense.

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u/Sophophilic Nov 17 '23

We don't know how she perceives time except for this one statement. There's no reason not to take it as true given the context of being revealed in a vulnerable emotional state.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

There's no reason not to take it as true

I mean i'd say exaggerating one's mental age to justify a large age gap relationship is a reason and a pretty common one at that.

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u/WeWillRiseAgainst Nov 17 '23

That's a good point.

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u/LegendReborn Nov 17 '23

Considering it's all fake, there's no reason to assume that Kate is lying about how she perceives her clones and the time lived.

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u/Locem Nov 17 '23

Look, Immortal is going to be too old for anyone comparatively that I don't think it's worth fixating on that. I'm willing to take Kate at face value of the "cumulative age" aspect, but still, whatever.

Kate absolutely experiences the death of all of her alternates though, which is a relatability with her and Immortal that I can't think of many, if any other characters that share it.

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u/elyn6791 Nov 17 '23

Not a hivemind. Multiple minds that share experiences and are capable of coordinating or acting independently.

Multitasking would be better defined as a single mind managing multiple tasks.

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u/AllinForBadgers Nov 17 '23

It feels like you’re incapable of imagining any perspective other than a normal 3 dimensional human life.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

What is this even supposed to mean? Of course i can't. Neither can you. Not really. It's just made up shit at the end of the day. We have no actual frame of reference for a perspective any other than that of our own 3 dimensional self.

I simply disagree on the interpretation of this specific hypothetical perspective.

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u/neoanguiano Nov 17 '23

AFAIK they all experiencing life separetely, and when fused back all the memories are merged together... now 2 milenia is BS probably a decade or 2 at most https://youtu.be/T-oZ3OWeH64?t=581

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u/Locem Nov 17 '23

I think the age wasn't the important part as much as the whole constantly dying thing. She has a point there.

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u/Desperate_Method4020 Nov 18 '23

That's what I also got from her argument. It's that she has died multiple times, and it's basically impossible for people except for immortal to understand that.

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u/Muaddib223 Nov 17 '23

Dude you're mansplaining a fictional character about how her fictional powers work hahahah

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u/Neversoft4long Nov 17 '23

I don’t think she was being that serious about the numbers thing lmao. She gave her actual reason like 10 seconds later and it was actually a plausible one that makes sense

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u/sGvDaemon Nov 19 '23

Have you ever been accused of something but you didn't feel like explaining yourself so instead you just throw out some half-assed answer?

It felt a lot like that, the writers probably weren't trying to deliver it as if it was airtight logic

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u/2SP00KY4ME Nov 17 '23

But she hasn't outlived all her friends twenty consecutive times, making new ones and then outliving them too. She hasn't experienced the ancient brutal history of humanity. She hasn't ever truly died, only copies - she doesn't know what it's like not to exist, or to fail utterly and see everyone die. Not to mention the extra time she has is mostly her copies either standing around or fighting - not 2,000 years of daily life, learning and reading. Honestly, the comparison she makes is trivial.

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u/Blayro Nov 17 '23

she does know however, how it feels to die in more ways than anyone should ever experience

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u/2SP00KY4ME Nov 20 '23

But does she? Some people are saying she gains the memories when the Kates re-merge. If a Kate dies, it doesn't re-merge.

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u/pseudo_nemesis Nov 19 '23

The Immortal also has never "truly died" since he's still alive.