r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Nov 17 '23

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination! EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

they're not clones they are all her, she is experience all of them at the same time more like a hivemind

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23

That makes saying she's equal to thousands of years old still not make sense to me. Time doesn't work like that hivemind or not. Like i get she's trying to count up the different experiences she has with different clones but the logic of "my two clones did two different things today so i'm actually two days older" seems faulty to me.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

it doesnt have to do with how times work, but how kate perceive it, imagine she use kate 2 to cook for 1 hr and kate 3 to make a drink for another hour, when she absorve both she has 1 hr of experience cooking and another 1 hour of making drinks.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23 edited Nov 17 '23

Yeah i know but still seems like false equavelance to me. Isn't this just advanced multitasking? She's doing all those things at the same time perceiving them at the same time. I can make dinner and a drink at the same time in one hour. Does this mean i have lived for two hours more than someone who only spent that time making either a drink or dinner? If her mind can process being a hivemind isn't she just really good at doing alot of things at the same time? She's doing all these things simultanously. The perception of time for her should be the same as for me as its all the same moment she is experiencing. She can just balance more actions in that moment than me.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

yes you can cook and make a drink at the same hour, thats not the point tho, the point is that you cant go to brazil and hawaii at the same time, kate can, and when she absorve them she has memory of doing both separately,

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

But she is a hivemind no? Hiveminds experience things concurrently right? So its the same thing in practice only applied on a bigger scale right? If her clones are a hivemind she doesn't perceive these events separately. She doesn't experience them separately. It's all happening at the same time in the same moment.

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u/Immaeatchorizo Nov 17 '23

i dont know man, to me makes perfect sense.

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u/Sophophilic Nov 17 '23

We don't know how she perceives time except for this one statement. There's no reason not to take it as true given the context of being revealed in a vulnerable emotional state.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

There's no reason not to take it as true

I mean i'd say exaggerating one's mental age to justify a large age gap relationship is a reason and a pretty common one at that.

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u/WeWillRiseAgainst Nov 17 '23

That's a good point.

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u/LegendReborn Nov 17 '23

Considering it's all fake, there's no reason to assume that Kate is lying about how she perceives her clones and the time lived.

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u/Locem Nov 17 '23

Look, Immortal is going to be too old for anyone comparatively that I don't think it's worth fixating on that. I'm willing to take Kate at face value of the "cumulative age" aspect, but still, whatever.

Kate absolutely experiences the death of all of her alternates though, which is a relatability with her and Immortal that I can't think of many, if any other characters that share it.

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u/elyn6791 Nov 17 '23

Not a hivemind. Multiple minds that share experiences and are capable of coordinating or acting independently.

Multitasking would be better defined as a single mind managing multiple tasks.

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u/AllinForBadgers Nov 17 '23

It feels like you’re incapable of imagining any perspective other than a normal 3 dimensional human life.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

What is this even supposed to mean? Of course i can't. Neither can you. Not really. It's just made up shit at the end of the day. We have no actual frame of reference for a perspective any other than that of our own 3 dimensional self.

I simply disagree on the interpretation of this specific hypothetical perspective.

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u/neoanguiano Nov 17 '23

AFAIK they all experiencing life separetely, and when fused back all the memories are merged together... now 2 milenia is BS probably a decade or 2 at most https://youtu.be/T-oZ3OWeH64?t=581