r/Invincible • u/Monkelover2 Battle Beast • Nov 21 '23
Thats enough Invincible for today. COMIC SPOILERS
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u/M_T_CupCosplay Nov 21 '23
First time I have seen a male protagonist get raped, honestly as sick as it made me feel I think it should be kept in.
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u/BobbyDemarco Nov 21 '23
Guts from Berserk is one. And it wasn't by an attractive woman.
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u/KarmaRBLXVN Anissa Nov 21 '23
It was a black man and one of the fandom's three jokes.
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u/Kingbuji Nov 21 '23
I just realized that he’s the only black (casca is agurable) character in the series…wtf
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u/Archiimedis Nov 21 '23
Isn’t pippin also black?!
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u/Kingbuji Nov 22 '23
Nope according to google just the dude who raped guts and two background guards.
Pippin is in the same category as casca (arguable not definitive).
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u/Soul699 Nov 22 '23
Some of ths kushans are black skinned.
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u/Kingbuji Nov 22 '23 edited Nov 22 '23
Yea but the dude we are talking about had a board nose and big lips… like he looks every black anime character from the 90s.
The others have dark skin.
I have never heard anyone say black skinned in non racist way… it feels weird af.
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u/T_025 Battle Beast Nov 22 '23
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u/angelboy_paradise Battle Beast Nov 22 '23
I'm just thinking about that video where a black woman is just walking down the street and there's a crowd around her taking pictures and staring at her in awe.
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u/The_L_99 Nov 22 '23
Hm, I thought casca resembled more of a kushan rather than being straight up black
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u/EverydayPoGo Nov 22 '23
I think similar things happened to the other Grayson. Unfortunately some people didn't consider it as gravely as it should be.
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u/Cicada_5 Nov 22 '23
It did. Three times. All three were women of color so we've got intersection of race fetishism and not taking male rape victims seriously.
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u/BigBoi1159511 Nov 22 '23
Arthur Morgan in Red Dead Redemption 2 is the only other recent example I can think of
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u/GodofThunderandSmoke Nov 22 '23
I remember reading about Batman being drugged and assaulted by Talia, they've retconned it to them "having a night of passion".
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u/Ignika1984 Nov 22 '23
It was the other way around. It went from a night of passion to drugging.
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u/GodofThunderandSmoke Nov 22 '23
Oh my bad then,I could've sworn when I first read it back in like 2011 it was the other way around.
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u/joeyGOATgruff Nov 22 '23
Don't watch True Blood then.
Ryan Kwataan's character is force fed illegal Viagra by a den of female were's.
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u/Bbgirl4lato Nov 22 '23
Man idk I don't want to see Mark suffer anymore than he already has and will 😭
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u/colinedahl1 Rex Splode Nov 22 '23
You should watch Super, it’s got Dwight from the office
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Nov 22 '23
The person doing it makes the act somehow even worse than it already was
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u/PerceptionTiny6385 Battle Beast Nov 21 '23
I don’t blame you, I definitely had to sit there for a while to process what just happened.
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u/The_Zobe Nov 22 '23
SOMEBODY EXPLAIN!
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u/dailylunatic Nov 22 '23
Mark got violently raped by a female Viltrumite after having a fight with Eve. And then gets over it like 3 issues later.
Let's just say Kirkman is a lot of things, but he's not Shakespeare.
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u/Bane-- Nov 22 '23
I mean not really, he attacks her multiple times and has trouble being intimate with eve
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u/Inevitable_Seaweed_5 Nov 22 '23
They definitely address it. Sure, he doesn’t have lifelong PTSD, but I’m a little shocked at people saying it was just discounted. It was a serious plot point, and requires serious reconciliation gestures from his rapist later in the comic.
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u/Originaltenshi Nov 22 '23
He definitely did not get over it wtf. He's comes to grips by the end of series literally for his bastard child. He was visibly uncomfortable anytime it almost comes up around his dad.
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u/icantthinkofauserok Nov 22 '23
He doesnt forget about it, it affects him until the end of the series
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u/Nugget_Lord_The_1st Pentagon - Parking in Rear Nov 21 '23
“Man up” is crazy 💀
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u/Kryppo Nov 21 '23
“Just thug that shit out”
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u/Brawlerz16 Nov 22 '23
It’s not just the fact that it happened, she explicitly said it’ll take a few times and she’ll be back soon. That genuinely terrifying
That aside, I’ve always thought this to be an interesting talking point about invasive species. I know it’s not exactly a tasteful storytelling thing, but I’m surprised Nolan and the others aren’t more like this.
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u/aSpookyScarySkeleton Nov 22 '23
Don’t think it would work if a male viltrumite tried this as an invasion tactic because women can always choose to terminate a pregnancy(even if it costs them their health or life).
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u/Brawlerz16 Nov 22 '23
Holy fuck I haven’t even thought about that.
I know it’s a morbid subject, but that reason fits perfectly in line to why it has to be this way specifically. If that’s what Kirkman intended that’s really genius
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u/Monkey_King291 Duct Tape Man Nov 21 '23
How the hell do you man up against rape?, Viltrumite logic I guess
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u/CaptainKlamydia Nov 21 '23
It's unfortunately not just Viltrumite logic, it's a horrible attitude that's in our world
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u/Structure_Southern Nov 22 '23
I've been in this situation before and it's just weird to talk about. I hardly ever talk about it to other men because most of the time it gets laughed off.
I do think things are improving as conversations like this are happening more often, but it's been slow.
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u/CaptainKlamydia Nov 22 '23
Yeah I was speaking from personal experience as well, so you're not alone.
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u/Dumoney Donald Ferguson Nov 22 '23
Thats probably why Kirkman specifically included this scene, because this is indeed the reality
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u/CaptainKlamydia Nov 22 '23
And I'm really glad he did, when I first read it, I was going through my own SA. Weird as it sounds, Invincible helped me deal with a lot of it.
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u/Gojira1234 Nov 21 '23
God I’m not looking forward to when this arc is animated. Not because I don’t think it’ll be handled well, I’m just not looking forward to the braindead takes I just know are going to spawn from people.
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u/YoungLuna Nov 21 '23
“I wish that was me!” I can see this happen. Good chance some people treat it as a joke and it sucks.
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u/Gojira1234 Nov 21 '23
I can guarantee you, people are gonna be like “Mark’s dumb as hell for not getting with that baddie” or smth crazy 💀
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u/ajanisapprentice Nov 22 '23
I'm expecting a very vocal minority of 'he's a guy, so he wasn't raped'.
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u/UsernamThatAintTaken Nov 21 '23
Itll be the same people who say Casca enjoyed it in Berserk saying the same shit with Mark
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u/SetaxTheShifty Nov 22 '23
PEOPLE SAY THAT!?!?
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u/UsernamThatAintTaken Nov 22 '23
Unfortunately yes. A very large group of people do, or maybe a very vocal minority. But yes
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u/SofaChillReview Nov 22 '23
That’s disturbing and clearly didn’t really follow Berserk that well, if they think that
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u/Ironcastattic Nov 22 '23
Man, remember when that last Wonder Woman movie came out and she totally banged that guy while he was catatonic but it was ok because her boyfriend was in his body!
People really were ok with that nonsense because she was hot
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u/edingerc Nov 22 '23
After Steve was gone, she and body guy had an awkward moment on the street. So on some level, he knows something. I can just imagine the therapy sessions...
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u/Insert-Cool_NameHere Machine Head Nov 22 '23
I hated that.
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u/Ironcastattic Nov 22 '23
You had the correct reaction then. It was rape being played off as romantic because she could finally be with her lost love.
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u/Animegx43 Nov 22 '23
"Rediculous! Women never rape men."
-Some dumb twitter user in the future.
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u/GullibleMacaroni Nov 22 '23
I hope the braindeads are already filtered out by the time we get to this arc. Just like how The Boys alienated the worst people from its fanbase.
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u/Proudhon1980 Nov 21 '23
Guess they’re gonna cut to the cat licking its anus again thankfully.
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u/Suspicious_Loan8041 The Immortal Nov 21 '23
Wait what?
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u/Seth-B343 Nov 21 '23
Go watch Season 2
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u/Coffeeman314 Comic Fan Nov 21 '23
The comic equivalent gag was the narrator cutting away to closed doors "out of respect for Alan and Telia's privacy" and the "younger readers".
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u/YoydusChrist Nov 21 '23
Yep. It’s really hard to get through, especially on the first read.
I don’t envy the team responsible for adapting this to animation eventually. It’s horrible, but it’s important it stays.
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u/ViraLCyclopes19 Nov 21 '23
I just hope she dies in the end
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u/EngineeringDevil Nov 21 '23
yes, but in a way that makes you feel bad
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u/brandcolt Nov 22 '23
How so?
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u/Consistent-East2909 Nov 22 '23
She finds legitimate love with a human male, comes to regret her actions and takes a killing blow for Eve.
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Nov 22 '23
Which is so bs, if she was a guy doing this to a female mc no way they would give her a redemption arc.
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u/8dev8 Cecil Stedman Nov 22 '23
I do find it funny people are more forgiving of the genocides than this.
Rape is a special kind of evil is a trope for a reason lol.
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Nov 22 '23
well i wouldn't forgive genocide either
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u/Individual-Ad9753 Rex Splode Nov 22 '23
Then you wouldn't like anyone in Invincible I guess except like Monster Girl or Dupli kate
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u/Bangchucker Nov 22 '23
In the comic is pretty nuanced. Her actions aren't really redeemed as they have long running consequences. But you do come to understand her reasoning for what she did. I'm not justifying it but spoilers >! she felt an obligation to repopulate their species and the viltrumite culture being as toxic as it is taking things by force was acceptable. She eventually starts to see things outside the lense of what is was like as a viltrumite. !< So the action is unforgivable and awful but it's not so simple as labeling her as evil. Considering all the factors/context I would feel the same way with the characters sexes reversed.
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Nov 21 '23
Kirkman just loves torturing his protagonists.
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u/JohnnyAK907 Nov 21 '23
*Rick Grimes entered the chat.
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u/FoFo1300 Nov 21 '23
*Spider-man has entered the chat
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u/The-Mighty-Caz Nov 21 '23
Did Kirkman ever write for Spider-Man?
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u/Kstoffeefan Atom Eve Nov 21 '23
Kind of. He wrote a crossover issue for Invincible and Spider-Man and a few other times in Marvel Team-Up. He never had a major book though.
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u/Sivilian888010 The Viltrumites Nov 22 '23
He said that he loves spider-man but no longer has a desire to write him. Having gotten that out of his system.
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u/FoFo1300 Nov 21 '23
No, but Spider-man came anyways because he is the incarnation of miserable writing
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u/Grabs_Zel Nov 21 '23
Ironically, Ryan Ottley drew Spidey's happiest moments in ages last run.
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u/Lt-Lavan Nov 21 '23
He also drew spidey kicking Carnage/norman's fucking ass back and forth, which felt pretty good.
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u/ReiwaHolmes Nov 22 '23
Red goblin has to be peak of modern spidey. The whole team cant do shit, literally all spider people ganged up on norman and couldnt even make him try. And then peter beats him solo, with venom and flash as support players.
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u/Okichah Nov 22 '23 edited Nov 22 '23
Yeah……
>! But considering the end of the comic is Mark becoming the Savior of the universe and its autocratic ruler !<
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u/dthains_art Nov 22 '23
Yeah the bleakness of Invincible doesn’t hold a candle to the bleakness of The Walking Dead. That comic series goes to some really dark places that make the tv adaptation look like sunshine and rainbows.
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u/dwoozie Nov 21 '23
I hate that this happened & hated that she didn't get consequences for it. However, I would understand why they need to keep this in the show, even if I hate that this happened. This is a huge issue for men to go through, & I hate that this happens. I just wish she would get consequences for this.
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u/MapDesperate7012 Nov 21 '23
This right here. It’s very uncomfortable to watch and that’s the point. It’s still rape, regardless of the victim’s and aggressor’s gender. I hate to watch it, but it needs to be done to get the message across.
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u/SunngodJaxon Nov 21 '23
What I'd fear mostly out of this scene is what will happen with the discussions after the episode featuring it gets released. I could very easily see this becoming a new hot topic with some very bad takes attached.
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u/Nemeris117 Nov 21 '23
You 100% already know itll be a shit show of "men cant be raped" on social media.
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u/SunngodJaxon Nov 21 '23
Yup, while I'm not looking forward to it, I still do agree that it is necessary. Perhaps if it makes enough of an upheaval, people will become more aware of this issue.
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u/TooManySorcerers Nov 21 '23
The show will probably spend more time on the aftermath of this. Since later in the comic she apologizes and understands what she did was wrong I assume she’ll have an arc about that beforehand
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u/BanditFierce Nov 21 '23
Th point is kinds thag she had no consequences, thats the message. I mean, she atleast kinda had a redemption arc and seemed to understand how shitty is was later in the series, and tried to have mark have some sort of relationship with their child.
I mean, omniman kinda murdered like a lot of people, and people rarely talk about him not getting what he "deserves" even if it's objectively worse than what she did.
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u/Reddragon351 Nov 21 '23
One I do think Omni Man was let off a bit too easy, but to be fair, we actually see him going for redemption and trying to be better, realizing how much he loves Debbie. Here, the development was offscreen and then she comes back apologetic and we're supposed to just kind of accept that she changed and it's really weird that Mark is supposed to just be ok with the kid he was forced into.
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u/Desperate_Banana_677 Nov 22 '23
I think we can add the reanimen guy to the offscreen development characters too
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u/SamDrrl Nov 21 '23
I mean it’s realistic that she would get away without consequence
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u/VodkaSoup_Mug Nov 21 '23
No consequences? I was hoping Eve would introduce her insides to sunlight …☹️
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u/Lofi_Fade Nov 21 '23
Omni-Man kills sooooo many people and everyone kind of just forgives him. It's a running theme.
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u/JorbatSG Nov 22 '23
she didn't get consequences for it.
My brother in Christ, Omni man paid lit nothing from his genocide...lmfao 🤨
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u/Fresh_Cauliflower176 Nov 21 '23
I am NOT looking forward to the absolutely brain dead takes that’ll pop up once this is animated. I just know I’m gonna see people unironically saying “it should’ve been me” or “Mark shouldn’t be a baby about it.” I’ve seen those takes before. It’s just gonna be even worse now.
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u/Ambitious-Raise8107 Nov 22 '23
Yeah, I remember in college when my friend group were reading invincible for the first time and this sequence produced a lot of dogshit brain rot takes. The former said in jest, the latter, disturbingly, said seriously. I made sure to drop those people out of my life if they sided with the latter.
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u/nameless_stories Brit Nov 21 '23
Everytime I think about this scene, it makes her weird redemption even weirder. Especially how we basically skip over the whole thing.
Like all these other badass viltrumites seem to acclimate to Earth life immediately and she decides to rape Mark because she couldnt just give Earth a proper shot.
And then implying that shes gonna do it again and again until she gets impregnated is so fucked to me. And then she teases him about it in front of everyone!
Like she obviously cant be redeemed but why even put that in there in the end
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u/MeasurementNo2493 Nov 22 '23
That second part was too real. crap like that is very real. But I think the redemption arc was kind of an effort to walk it back. Raping the person she knew Mark to be (because spoilers) was a life ending thing to do, and somehow that did not happen. just from a political point of view, she had to die, and die ugly. Otherwise it would undermine their whole political system.
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u/thatguygxx Nov 21 '23
Wonder how the show is going to play this?
Happenings off camera?
Not at all?
He stops her?
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u/absurdlifex Nov 21 '23
it definitely will happen because they end up having kid mark together
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u/Kal-Kent Battle Beast Nov 21 '23
It will happen off camera or they will cut away from it
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u/griff1014 Nov 21 '23
I actually think they will make it more graphic.
Sounds like something Kirkman would do
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u/killerz7770 Nov 21 '23
Oh god this scene is gonna end with Mark drenched in blood innit
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u/Resua15 Nov 21 '23
I'm sad because when (if) this gets animated there's 100% gonna be a bunch of horny teens and assholes unironically saying "wish it was me" or shit like "I'm sure Mark enjoyed it"
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u/Immediate-Rope8465 Battle Beast Nov 21 '23
this shit is differnt breed...... god at least that rognarr ripped her in half later on
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u/Suspicious_Loan8041 The Immortal Nov 21 '23
It was sort of a strange death. We only see that she died when her body is left laying almost entirely off panel. She off to the said dead while everyone attends to omniman.
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u/nameless_stories Brit Nov 21 '23
If they do end up adapting it they really gotta put a better spotlight on the whole storyline more than they did in the comic.
Bro has like two conversations about it, has a kid he talks to twice, and her entire arc is off screen (though she didnt deserve a redemption arc imo).
The whole storyline becomes secondary to everything else and that sucks to me
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u/mastersamex17 Nov 22 '23
as a victim, this storyline was really important for me coming to terms with what I'd been through, I really really hope they don't cut it
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u/Insert-Cool_NameHere Machine Head Nov 22 '23
Really sorry to hear that, no one deserves for something like that to happen to them and I’m deeply sorry you experienced it.
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u/Hot_Tip_8239 Nov 21 '23
The timing of this scene was bizarre. Mark had been established as strong enough to fight her off at that point.
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u/Taurius Nov 21 '23
That's why he was going through a mental breakdown. "Did I not fight hard enough because I wanted it?"
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u/Hot_Tip_8239 Nov 21 '23
Doesn't that happen on almost all rape cases? Self blame is common.
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u/DapperDan30 Nov 21 '23
Yes, but this way it couldn't be argued that Mark physically couldn't do it. It adds an extra dynamic, and real life feelings, that Mark could have fought her off if he really wanted to, but just didnt.
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u/maledin Allen the Alien Nov 22 '23
He may have been strong enough to fight her off physically, but perhaps he wasn’t strong enough mentally/emotionally.
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u/MeasurementNo2493 Nov 22 '23
I always took the undertone to be that Mark was not a killer, and that made him hold back. The only way to stop a Viltrumite is ti be willing to use any and all force available. And Mark couldn't do that...yet.
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u/Locem Nov 21 '23
Fair, but I can rationalize it in that he wasn't in a good headspace at the moment. His pregnant girlfriend had just dumped him after he was stranded in another dimension by someone he thought was a friend/ally.
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u/PCN24454 Nov 21 '23
She’s older and more experienced. That means she’s able to be more consistently strong.
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u/AspirationalChoker The Viltrumites Nov 21 '23 edited Nov 22 '23
He's already faced a far stronger Viltrumite by this time, it's more mental / emotional shit holding him back than his muscles
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u/thebigmanhastherock Robot Nov 22 '23
Wasn't he recovering from being blasted with the plague? His powers were back but not completely.
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u/TheCVR123YT Nov 21 '23
Truly don’t understand how they get around this in the show just because there IS an extremely important consequence from this at the end of the series. Maybe they’ll just skip it but I really liked what came from this even though I didn’t like how it happened 😭
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u/Hexnohope The Immortal Nov 21 '23
So with the “hindsights 20/20” mentality kirkmans doing with the animation im curious to see how hell edit this or if he thinks its perfect as is. I also DREAD the insane amount of people who will refuse to believe males can be raped
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u/Tatum-Better Nov 21 '23
Meh I've seen worse in Garth Ennis comics.
It's important to show men can be raped too though
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Nov 22 '23
That's because Garth Ennis is an edgy teenager who acts like sticking the most amount of gore, sex and racial slurs makes for a good and edgy story. Man should just retire all of his work is dogshit lmfao
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u/Insert-Cool_NameHere Machine Head Nov 22 '23
Agreed the boys show is infinitely better then the comics, comics are dogshit.
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u/Sylphietteisbestgirl Nov 22 '23
I do hope the Mods are vigilant with removing and/or banning comments/posts that try to make light of this disgusting situation.
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u/SoundwavesBurnerPage Abraham Lincoln Nov 21 '23
When I first read the series, I somehow managed to accidentally avoid the issue where this happens, so it was quite a shock when I revisited it just to be confronted with it.
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u/Crobatman123 Nov 21 '23
Man when I read that my jaw dropped and I just sat there for a moment like "What? What the fuck?" How come all the bad things happen to Mark.
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u/Sad-Cupcake-5510 Nov 22 '23
I really hope it happens because it's so important to invincible and his character dynamic. especially to atom eve and invincibles relationship
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u/Bloodmime Nov 21 '23
Can someone please explain?
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u/AndrewSP1832 Nov 21 '23
Mark was sexually assaulted by a Viltrumite who wanted to create genetically "pure" offspring.
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u/Jas0n-v0rhee5 Nov 21 '23
Sexually assaulted? This is straight up rape dog
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u/AndrewSP1832 Nov 22 '23
100% hoss, all rapes are sexual assaults not all sexual assaults are rapes. I use sexual assault because some people on the internet avoid the word rape, I was just trying to be considerate if that makes sense. Not make light of what happened to our boy.
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u/Bloodmime Nov 21 '23
Damnnnn. If you had to guess by the shows current pace, how far off do you think this is?
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u/thatonewhitejamaican Nov 21 '23
I remember selling a lot of invincible singles and it had this issue. The buyer said he was getting a really good deal as that issue sold for more, made me feel dirty
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u/SouthWorry Nov 22 '23
god i had to take a break from reading from my binge reading when i first read this part, it doesn't help that after this all the robot stuff happens and he doesn't even get a chance to process it
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u/Accomplished_Bill741 What will you have in 500 years? Nov 21 '23
“Haha horny alien lady doesn’t know earth relationship cust-“
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