Wait, Debbie takes him back? Fucking wild. Part of me wanted Nolan to go back to her and apologize for it all but honestly after seeing her in the most recent episode I wouldn’t blame her if she didn’t. I kind of don’t want her to.
Is it really a redemption arc if the only people that forgave him were his wife and son? And even then, Debbie did so with a huge amount of skepticism. He didn't win Earth back or anything like that. And Cecil only kept him around as the Viltrumite threat was finally looming over. I feel like redemption arc is giving Omni Man too much credit. I can totally see his family forgiving him if it meant going back to the way things were, and even then, they didn't go back. 20 years is a long time for Debbie to simply overlook when the change was so sudden relative to their relationship.
And Mark I can't even blame for looking for solace in his father considering how much he started to add onto his plate. He needed direction, even if that direction came from someone that did unspeakable things, he's still your blood.
I love how conversation has to devolve into such snarkiness for no reason lol. I'm literally just asking a question. I didn't think of it from the perspective of Mark only. Considering the amount of characters in the comic it's fair to look at it through the lens of more than one character. Sure, if I'm looking at it from Mark's perspective then yeah, I definitely agree. But I can't view Omni Man through that lens because most of what he does is isolated to only a few people.
omni man gets a pass bc in the comics the viltrimites where so OP compared to everyone else that there really was no conceivable way noland could resist them without the events of the comics happening.
In the comic is pretty nuanced. Her actions aren't really redeemed as they have long running consequences. But you do come to understand her reasoning for what she did. I'm not justifying it but spoilers >! she felt an obligation to repopulate their species and the viltrumite culture being as toxic as it is taking things by force was acceptable. She eventually starts to see things outside the lense of what is was like as a viltrumite. !< So the action is unforgivable and awful but it's not so simple as labeling her as evil. Considering all the factors/context I would feel the same way with the characters sexes reversed.
It’s the same situation where Omni-Man murdered thousands of people during his fight with Mark, yet he sees the error of his ways. Like many characters in the series, he’s this paradox of a person doing very heroic things who has also done incredibly evil things before. It makes you grapple with questions of what you can and can’t forgive and if redemption is possible or not.
What consequence even when the others find out she isnt punished to any meaningful degree. Moreover none of the other viltrumites did this infact a bunch got married to willing partners.
So the action is unforgivable and awful but it's not so simple as labeling her as evil.
This is issue with how thye handled it, it allows ppl like you to backwards rationalise forgiving evil actions just becuase the victim was a man and the perpetrator was a woman. She is like hundreds of years old, she is not a child fresh out of viltrum, she is responsible for her actions and therefore if she does evil she is evil, that is how that works.
I hope this is one of the things they change in the show. They've been doing a good job of making things more progressively 2023 instead of the year the comic was written.
We shall see...first it will be interesting to see how they handle the Debbie and Nolan situation. The forgiveness happens way too fast with little to no work in the comic and Debbie especially show Debbie deserves way more respect as a character and person.
lmao the progressive route would be to remove this all together, its literally progressive dogma to wash over all female characters flaws and contort the story into justifying their actions no matter how terrible they are.
I actually read a fantasy novel series where a guy is one of a girl’s serial rapists and he ends up getting redeemed by the end by sacrificing his life. Apparently rapists being redeemed is a thing in media, for some reason.
Endeavor more or less gets it in My Hero Academia. Neither are full "redemption" arcs. It's more that they have to deal with the consequences of their actions and work on themselves.
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u/EngineeringDevil Nov 21 '23
yes, but in a way that makes you feel bad