Yeah, I think this series is a great reminder of why we should appreciate being at the top of our food chain. A lot of the treatment we do to animals and animals do to each other is really terrifying.
Well I don’t rape them or have sex with them thank goodness.
But I do buy and consume them knowing the various amounts of ways they’re made. I mean, yeah I know they’re bred, branded, cooped up to be slaughtered and butchered. Some to be consumed some to be made into other products. A select few lucky enough to be my pets in which some people still mutila—, uh… “trim” their tails and ears and sometimes genitals. But that’s besides the point.
I only eat animals and don’t care where or how it’s made. I guess my hands are clean since I’m not the one killing them? Idk.
That’s actually horrifying. It’s crazy how desensitized we are to some things. Because I don’t want this conversation to seem disingenuous. I’m trying to draw a parallel:
Nolan might not rape but him and the empire certainly benefit and don’t care about the act. Us as humans don’t rape cows but we certainly benefit greatly from allowing bulls to do what they “naturally” must. But damn, that’s actually wild about milk… I legit didn’t know and never thought about it
Actually they don’t use bulls because they impregnate the cows several times more than what is natural for the time they are alive in, using a bull each time would damage the cows hips and that’s too much of a risk for an animal that costs a lot to upkeep. They artificially inseminate the cows with an insemination gun, where a farmer will actually stick their hand and forearm up the cows vulva
Dairy is Scary is a decent video on YouTube. I’d recommend Dominion (2018) if you’re interested in a high quality documentary about the animal agriculture industry
Youre 100% right, my comment wasn’t just some sarcastic retort. It’s just me straight up admitting I can consume these things because I’m ignorant and turn a blind eye to it. Similar to how I’m sure Nolan and the other male viltrumites feels.
Because in the end, it’s not really a difference is it? We need to eat and that’s out justification for what we do to animals. They need to breed so that’s their justification for what they do to humans.
Yeah no of course, don’t worry I didn’t interpret your comment as such. I see your point about how we justify such atrocities, but I did want to state that such isn’t necessary. I really recommend checking out Dominion (2018) on YouTube for a documentary about the animal agriculture industry :)
Well farmers forcibly breed tons of different animals all the time. There’s even exceptions written into bestiality laws for when they have to stick their arm up into the cows and stuff…. Pretty weird if you think about it
I mean humans rape other humans like all the time too lol. Not some thing we don’t do. And even worse is that we do it completely armed with the knowledge that it’s a horrible thing that we shouldn’t do.
Yeah, I think this scene in particular is a great talking point about ethics and morality. I’m not interested in a brain dead safe take like “rape is bad.”
For me it calls into question the nature of “consumption”. She needs to reproduce, so she went and did it. And she isn’t human so why should she care about how? Kirkman answers this later saying viltrumites can be taught human concepts like empathy. I personally love that which is why I hate the discussions are about consequences. That’s lame because they aren’t human and they don’t/weren’t taught human values. It’s not even an instinct for them
We could. I think that’s why it’s an interesting talking point.
Of course people are gonna say there’s such a drastic difference between rape and the treatment of animals. And they are correct in my eyes. But the main point I’m arguing is that the viltrumites see rape the same way we see animal consumption. We need to eat, they need to reproduce: so we hunt.
Never considering there’s alternatives to satisfy those needs. But idk, I just thought it was a cool topic to explore. How complex morality is
Yeah but if we can let them live on this earth with dignity before killing them, that would actually be nice. Instead of... what we do to them while alive.
Like I said, the problem isn't eating the meat. It's the commodification of live animals. I could really get into it because I'm passionate about it but that's for another day lol
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u/Brawlerz16 Nov 22 '23
Yeah, I think this series is a great reminder of why we should appreciate being at the top of our food chain. A lot of the treatment we do to animals and animals do to each other is really terrifying.