r/Invincible • u/Frosty-Ad-6946 • Apr 10 '24
Could this version of invincible be stronger than the one we know? DISCUSSION
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u/MrRizzstein Battle Breast Apr 10 '24
could it? yea, we dont have enough info on him to know the answer
but theoretically, yea he could
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u/HorsNoises Apr 10 '24
I think it's kinda implied all the the other Marks are stronger because the main reason our Mark is different is because he was raised by Debbie which only happened because he got his powers late. If the other Marks got their earlier they've had more time to train.
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u/Avocadobaker Apr 10 '24
Our Mark also holds back. He’s like Gohan, all the power, but has fear of using it.
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u/fade_ Apr 10 '24
Fear of losing control so he doesn't put in 100% he holds back even while training.
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u/Ok-Satisfaction-5012 Apr 10 '24
That’s objectively so fucking dumb and they should have someone work through that with him. He knows the viltrumires are coming and there are several of them at least, that he himself has seen. Anissa dog walked him without breaking a sweat, he’s the most potent defense earth has and he’s encumbering his own ability to defend the earth because he’s undercutting his training and improvement. The notion that anyone would countenance mark pulling punches because he’s worried about being strong is madness
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u/starcell400 Apr 10 '24
Maybe you would understand and feel different if you witnessed your father slaughter an entire city of innocents with the same power you have.
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u/Ok-Satisfaction-5012 Apr 10 '24
I’m not saying it’s an unreasonable emotion, I get why mark feels that way and it makes him a good character, it’s also objectively insane to not appreciate this fact. To the best of mark’s knowledge earth’s best response to the viltrumite threat is for him to go get his ass kicked and have the viltrumites colonize earth. Anissa could’ve just taken over earth by her lonesome in that moment
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u/awesomemanswag Apr 10 '24
In mark's defense, he was also told that she was stronger than him, He could've just rationalized "No point in not holding back since she'll kick my ass either way"
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u/KJAdrenaline Apr 10 '24
I understand what you mean for sure. It's a great part of his character but it's very similar to Batman where sometimes you're just like "bro, please just kill them, everyone in the universe will thank you"
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u/AlmightyRellyx2 Apr 11 '24
I appreciate invincible for not going the typical shonen training arc, emotional outbreak power boosts. The development of Mark and his emotions shows his humanity even while being a “god”. This also allows the side characters to grow with him on screen rather than the typical cliche of 1-1.5 episodes where he’s training all the time and pops up last minute to save the day
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u/lynx3762 Apr 10 '24
It might be physically easy to kill someone but it's very difficult emotionally. Most people pull punches in real life even though they aren't going to kill someone even at full strength
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u/Ok-Satisfaction-5012 Apr 10 '24
Killing someone and stopping yourself from being killed are two different things, although the distinction may be marginal when viltrumites fight. Anissa subdued mark and could’ve easily drubbed him without killing him because she’s that much stronger. Nolan wouldn’t have to kill mark to beat him. Part of why killing looms so large for mark’s fights is because those he’s fighting are that mix stronger. If he wants to preserve his ability to refrain from killing, while also thwarting those who threaten earth then he has to be substantially stronger than he is currently, and the only way to do that is to work at it
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u/fade_ Apr 10 '24
Ya its an inner conflict plot like Luke fearing the dark side because of how his dad turned out except on top its every other version of himself too. Agreed its a formulaic plot device.
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u/Sil_vas Apr 10 '24
idk if theres really anyone he can train with apart from allen or another viltrumite, maybe monster girl could tank a few full force punches but idk about anyone else
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u/Ok-Satisfaction-5012 Apr 10 '24
When mark was flying earlier in the year he and his father spoke about how flying was an act of physical exertion for viltrumites. I doubt mark could safely fly at top speeds on earth but he can enter space at will and it seems he’s remiss in not practicing there. As for other physical capacities I imagine collaboration between himself and Cecil could produce facilities which could enable him to train his abilities. Of all of the superheroed characters depicted in the show, mark is easily both the least experienced and the least routinely training
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u/fate_is_a_sandstorm Run the Twins Apr 10 '24
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u/theonegalen Apr 10 '24
actually he did
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u/Vorpalthefox Apr 10 '24
don't put spaces around the ">!" "!<", you're breaking the spoiler with it
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u/wikisaiyan2 Apr 10 '24
Half saiyans, half Viltrumites, seems only half Kryptonians the only one who didnt get power boost lol.
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u/redeemer47 Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
I’d assume these Marks would be weaker since they teamed up with OmniMan. Viltrimites get stronger the more they push themselves. These Marks would never push themselves since they just kill civilians and other heroes less strong than them. Mark prime is fighting other Viltrimites and shit. His potential is far higher
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u/approveddust698 Apr 10 '24
Do viltrimites actually get stronger like that I don’t remember seeing that anywhere
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u/HorsNoises Apr 10 '24
They get stronger by working out just like humans do. It's just hard for them to find something strong/heavy enough for them to do so, so the best way for them to get stronger is generally by fighting.
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u/-The-Follower Apr 10 '24
They get stronger the same way we do, pushing ourselves and exercising. They just recover much faster and can push themselves much further.
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u/Walrus_bP Apr 10 '24
I’ve always seen it as different from Allen in the sense that he just gets a zenkai boost and it is ridiculous in its scaling, however, viltrumites being beaten to near death is like training a muscle that get stronger every time it is torn apart and heals. That and remember mark has adrenaline as part of his human heritage which allows him to push his body beyond its breaking point easier than other viltrumites because he’s actively pushing his muscles to the breaking point constantly whereas other viltrumites arent
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u/Shrodax Apr 10 '24
viltrumites being beaten to near death is like training a muscle that get stronger every time it is torn apart and heals.
If that's true, Mark is going to end up with the strongest eye sockets in all of fiction!
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u/Walrus_bP Apr 10 '24
Dude it’s insane how many black eyes people in this show get, it’s like, ALWAYS THE SAME EYE TOO
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u/Insaiyan_Elite Apr 10 '24
In the one episode Mark, Nolan and Debbie all have the same puffy eye
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u/LaeLeaps Invincidrip Apr 10 '24
you don't remember nolan explaining to mark he still has to work out and the giant weight scene?
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u/lessthanabelian Apr 10 '24
I really like this theory that good Mark = late blooming powers Mark = more raised by Debbie "Does that make you feel strong" Grayson.
I support it becoming common consensus head cannon.
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u/Elite_Jackalope Apr 10 '24
I’m not trying to be rude, but where in the world are you getting that?
In the show, we know next to nothing about Mark’s in any other universe. The only thing we know about alternate Debbies is Angstrom yelling at her “you think you’re innocent? Do you know how many universes you’ve joined them in?”
If anything, the only evidence we actually have in the show completely dismisses this theory.
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u/HorsNoises Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
So what? Debbie says she raised Mark to be good. She says Nolan was never around. In s1 she says "it used to be you and me, now it's you and him." The show definitely wants us to come away thinking Debbie is the difference.
For all we know she only joins them under duress.
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u/LegendaryMercury Apr 10 '24
Actually I believe they would be weaker but probably better trained.
Viltrimites are supposed to get stronger from near death experiences or from losing fights. These marks never fought their fathers (or only in training) and never fought on Thraxa.
Good chance they aren’t as strong, or only close to regular mark.
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u/doslinos Apr 10 '24
Are you sure about that, I've seen a bunch of people say Viltrimites don't actually get stronger from losses or near death experiences, at least not inherently.
Your point still works but it's not some sort of upgrade they get from losing, he just has decent battle experience at this point in 1v1s against strong opponents.
I don't actually know I'm just repeating what I've seen here.
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u/Recompense40 Apr 10 '24
The "stronger after injuries" thing is from Saiyan's from DBZ. Viltrumites don't actually become stronger when mad, they just hold back less.
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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Apr 10 '24
Allen got it in invincible too. (Or well I guess in his case it is when he die)
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u/Azmoten Cecil Stedman Apr 10 '24
The only character I recall explicitly getting power boosts like that in the comic is Allan the Alien, like we’ve already seen in the show.
I think people are basically conflating Viltrumites with Saiyans from DBZ. Which, to be fair, there are some significant similarities. But that’s not one of them.
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u/Stringtone Apr 10 '24
You're thinking of Allen and Saiyans. As far as we've seen, Viltrumites don't get zenkai boosts. That said, they might not be as experienced or as trained because of not having been in those fights, so they may be weaker because of that.
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u/Phuddy Invincible Apr 10 '24
They don’t get stronger specifically from near death experiences but they do get stronger from pushing themselves and their powers to the limit constantly
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u/Frosty-Ad-6946 Apr 10 '24
I think his ruthlessness also adds on.
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u/Porsche928dude Cecil and Donald Apr 10 '24
Oh trust me marks plenty strong. He just has a habit of pulling punches and letting people get hits off on him. Basically he is trying to avoid accidentally punching a hole in someone’s chest or similar because he over did it. He just adjusts how hard he hits based on how hard he gets hit. As seen in season 2 he can duke it out with other viltrimites and hold his ground. He has a hard time flipping that switch in his head.
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u/radfordblue The Mauler Twins Apr 10 '24
This version is certainly less inhibited. Main story Mark is holding back in most of his fights.
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u/WhyDoYouCrySmeagol Apr 10 '24
Yeah he’s been getting his ass kicked a lot but it’s certainly not for lack of strength. He kinda reminds me of Bucky, when he’s not in Winter Soldier mode he isn’t nearly as efficient, probably because he remembers vividly what he was forced to use that strength for.
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u/BassGeese Apr 10 '24
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all alternate Marks equal? The only ones I'd expect to be stronger are the Marks that joined the empire (the two marks we saw in the viltrumite uniform) and Sinister Mark
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u/Jout92 Science Dog Apr 10 '24
Nope. Some versions of Mark kill Omni Man, in some he becomes the leader of the Viltrumite Empire. Eventually our Mark will be the strongest, but these Mark's realized their true power much earlier because they stopped giving a fuck and deleted their compassion earlier
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u/BassGeese Apr 10 '24
Well I suppose that makes sense, "Prime Mark" does hold back because of his morals but does show he's capable of more when he let's go, so alternate Marks that don't care does make sense to be stronger at an earlier age. Although I wonder what marks do manage to kill Omni-Man or become leaders because they must be really strong at an early
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u/Jout92 Science Dog Apr 10 '24
I guess their powers must've developed way earlier. Maybe one of the reasons why our Mark is one of the few if not the only good ones is because he is a late bloomer
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Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
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u/servantoftheweb Battle Beast Apr 10 '24
your spoiler tags broke, try this without spaces between the symbols > !text inside! <
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u/sinkwiththeship Apr 10 '24
The Thraxan-Viltrumites get their powers way earlier because of the Thraxan genes being stronger early in life which speeds up their aging/maturing. <
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u/asnalem Apr 11 '24
Prime mark is not even weaker than the viltrumites that arrived at thraxia at that point his issue is that he is trying not to kill, he could easily deal with the lady with the dagger in her hair after he went harder, and we also see that aversion to kill at the fight with Angstrom Levy where he was more concerned with the fact he killed him than being stranded in another dimension
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u/lobsterinthesink Apr 10 '24
theoretically sure but until he stops getting his ass kicked every episode we won't know
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u/slayv98 Omni-Man Apr 10 '24
Doesn’t matter, cause hes not
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u/Shadowcleric Apr 10 '24
Okay, I've seen this too many times now and I am not afraid to ask, what's the backstory of this?
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u/slayv98 Omni-Man Apr 10 '24
Hahahahahahaha. There was a post where someone listed their top 5 strongest characters and asked the members to comment theirs. The guy with this username in the pic said that its him. Everyone went along with it and he got like 3000+ upvotes. So its like a running joke that hes the strongest in the verse. Its just a silly joke 😂😂
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u/Shadowcleric Apr 10 '24
Lol that makes sense, i figured it was a joke I missed somewhere haha, thats pretty good
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u/Odizbertulo Animation takes a looong time Apr 10 '24
At this point, im just scared to contradict him. What if he IS the strongest out there?
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u/Elfedefolonariel Apr 10 '24
Thank you i saw it everywhere and was unable to find out where it came from 😂 i was so confused
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u/quickasaturtle Apr 10 '24
A random reddit user from another post a while back who wrote something like "I am" on a post about who is the strongest character in the universe
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u/Sonicisfaster Apr 10 '24
"A while back", mate it was literally 2 days ago haha
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u/NoteEffective4761 The Strongest Character Apr 10 '24
Damn right
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u/slayv98 Omni-Man Apr 10 '24
I LOVE YOU
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u/NoteEffective4761 The Strongest Character Apr 10 '24
To quote Han Solo “I know”
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u/CraziestMoonMan Apr 10 '24
The real question is, are the alternative Noteeffectives stronger than noteeffective4761. I wonder if noteeffective4742 could take him.
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u/Spacemonster111 Apr 10 '24
Most are weaker actually because they never fought their dad
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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 Apr 10 '24
Yeah, that time Mark punched him in the face and it almost blew over the trees in the background. Good Mark may take a lot of L's, but I gotta think he's one of the strongest Marks.
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u/JustBiz_Null Pentagon - Parking in Rear Apr 10 '24
That isn't something our Mark can't do lol
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u/PhotographyRaptor10 Apr 10 '24
Seriously his first ever use of his power he yeeted a garbage bag to a different continent. Knocking off the average joes head was in his capabilities day one
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u/Salamitommy89 Apr 10 '24
I always wonder why so many of the other Marks just went evil. Like they seem to take joy in it. Even Nolan doesn't LIKE killing. He does it for his mission if need be. Mark, on other hand, seems like he genuinely enjoys killing people.
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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Comic Fan Apr 10 '24
The evil marks are likely marks who were raised by Nolan after he took them to be raised as viltrumites so they grew up with their mother dead or supporting/abused by his father.
He's also been trained to hate and kill humans who are his age and are his friends whiles Omniman does not see them as people so does not care as much.
So Mark turning evil means he's going to be more violent than Nolan because of how fucked up he is.
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u/GoSkers29 Apr 10 '24
I want you to think about middle school. Kids in that 12-14 age range. They're often not great people. It takes time to learn empathy and perspective and other useful emotional tools like that.
Now imagine you get super powers before you learn those things. Before you learn how to consider what another person is experiencing or feeling. And moreover, you're told that you are a superior being and that the lives of all the humans around you have less value than yours.
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u/Salamitommy89 Apr 10 '24
All of that happened for Nolan for over a thousand years. Yet he still didn't seem to like to kill just for the hell of it. Maybe he did when he was still like 500. Lol.
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u/sjcal629 Omni-Man and Invincible Apr 10 '24
The reason why the evil invincibles seem stronger than our invincible is that they don’t hold back. As mark says in the season 2 finale, he holds back a lot. If he were to stop holding back, he would be a lot stronger than we’ve seen
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u/Sylux444 Allen the Alien Apr 10 '24
The Mark we know is like spiderman, he keeps his strength in check because he doesn't want to kill people by accident
This isn't really anything honestly, it just means he doesn't care
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u/toxic_dub Apr 10 '24
I would say any of the marks that joined Nolan would be stronger because they would have trained under Nolan
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u/Ok_Explanation_5586 Apr 10 '24
Good Mark has gone toe to toe against 4 Viltrumites, including his father. Those punk-ass evil Marks have been going around smooshing humans. That's like a human squashing bugs; it's not gonna prepare you for a fight against Tyson. I don't think too many evil Marks would stand a chance against good Mark in a fair fight (not that they would fight fair.)
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u/Special_Elevator_603 Apr 10 '24
Not necessarily. This is light spoilers but >! some of the evil Marks were capable of killing Nolan and some even become the emperor of the Viltrumites or other various achievements that surpass our Mark. Most of them also get their powers much sooner than our Mark which leads to them becoming more powerful sooner. Plus, those evil Marks would still have things like Nolan pushing them to become stronger and could get more proper training from him. Not to mention that plenty of them would come from universes that are even tougher than the main universe where conquering Earth wouldn’t always be like “squashing bugs”!<
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u/Remarkable-Cabinet85 The Immortal Apr 10 '24 edited Apr 10 '24
Viltrumites get stronger by pushing themselves , basically to advance in physical stats either exercise or engage in battles with people as strong or stronger is the way to do it ( which happens with our Mark )
This version could be stronger if he's been pushed either way otherwise he's not stronger , just not holding back and also these are normal humans , Mark after the day getting his powers could throw a baseball around the globe and survive falling from greater heights.
Even at their base level a Viltrumite is decently powerful , like Mark could wrestle with Allen after a little bit of training.
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u/Micholeon42 Apr 10 '24
Mark’s biggest weakness is that he holds himself back. The version of Mark in that image… doesn’t have that problem.
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u/SupahSpace Apr 10 '24
i don’t think it’s about ability, rather whether or not he would do it. which as of now, i’d say no
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u/Forward-Oven-7190 Viltrum Empire Apr 10 '24
Those are just humans lol any vilttumite can do this fairly easy so this isn’t a special feat by the this mark
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u/Special_Elevator_603 Apr 10 '24
A lot of the Invincible variants are definitely stronger than our Invincible for varying reasons. One primary reason is that Mark often gets his powers earlier in other universes, which is why he turns out evil and leads to him becoming more powerful earlier on.
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u/lemonylol Apr 10 '24
Personally I think at a baseline any evil version of Mark could end humanity so quickly and unchallenged that they don't actually have a need to get any more powerful. The limitations main Mark sets on himself and opponents he goes against solo or with non-Viltrimite help gives him a ton of experience and drive to give up an upper hand by now.
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u/pritheemakeway Apr 10 '24
I'm pretty sure Mark can do all this and even what Anissa did to the sea monster to an extent. He said it when fighting Angstrom that he holds back. He was probably subconsciously holding back against Angstrom even as he was beating him to death.
If Mark wanted to fly right through a sea monster, he could. It's about his will power to move. If his hand wants to explode a human head, he could. He just has to will himself to do it. As he is now, he punches someone and it's more about holding the punch back from exploding what he's hitting. Mark still subconsciously views himself as human and until he overcomes that mental barrier, he won't be as strong as he can be. Evil Marks don't have morals holding them back. If they want to walk through someone, they will.
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u/MeesterCHRIS Agent Spider Apr 10 '24
Nolan does this hand slash, tbf most viltrumites can and Mark is stronger than Nolan about 60% through the comics.
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u/Possible_Guest8952 Apr 10 '24
I don’t think it’s that any versions are stronger, per se, I think that Mark is just holding back a lot, and doesn’t hold back when he joins his father.
Think, like, how Spider-Man holds back because he knows he’d actually kill a lot of his enemies.
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u/SameOreo Apr 10 '24
This mark is stronger because he doesn't hold back. That's really important because no matter how good you are, if you don't act, then how strong are you?
The first fight with viltramites on bug planet was critical to this. Even up to this now he still holds back.
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u/BadBloodBear Apr 10 '24
Most alternative Marks are weaker but not all. Our Mark lets his enemies live and tried fighting his own father. If most of the Invincibles teamed up with their dad then they didn't have that many challenging fights that ours did.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger than that rule really applies to both anime and comics books.
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u/hotshot11590 Apr 11 '24
He has the strength to do it he just doesn’t do it because he is a good person.
I could theoretically acquire a firearm and use it to rob a bank and harm people, but I don’t because I’m not an asshole.
“Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.”
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u/AVeryHumanPerson Apr 10 '24
No, or probably not at least. Our Mark is one of the few that chooses to oppose his viltrumite heritage, leading to quite a stressful life filled with near death experiences and adrenaline. It's these pivotal moments that make it that our Mark develops in strength much faster than other viltrumites, since they rarely push themselves to the edge of what they can do out of necessity, while our Mark is constantly doing that. The evil marks presented in this episode are basically taking the easy way out.
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u/Smeathy Apr 10 '24
Yes, because he has no empathy, mark not holding back is clearly stronger as shown in the main show
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u/LifelessHawk Apr 10 '24
This is pretty average shit especially since these are normal people. Mark could easily do this, obviously he won’t, but he definitely could.
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u/Gohyuinshee Apr 10 '24
I'm pretty sure original Mark is stronger than most evil Marks by virtue of him being forced to fight other Viltrumite in life and death battles all the time.
Evil Marks would't had to deal with half the shit original Mark does, they are the easy way out.
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u/KANGladiator Apr 10 '24
Main Mark is stronger probably because he has to fight viltrumites and get nearly beaten to death and what doesn't kill him makes him stronger.
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u/edwerino Apr 10 '24
To me Good Mark is stronger than his alternate versions simply because he fights to protect earth, kinda what he says in one of his last fight, whereas these marks don’t really care about earth
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u/Falegri7 Apr 10 '24
Allegedly no, the reason our invincible becomes stronger is because he’s always punching up so he’s constantly getting stronger even if it doesn’t seem like it, so an invincible that never faced Nolan or other viltrumites shouldn’t be stronger than our invincible
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u/zoon_politikon_ Brit Apr 10 '24
Nah I bet they are all the same, only some of them would be stronger if their power knocked early but most likely are the same.
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u/LazyDro1d Apr 11 '24
Stronger? No. Better trained, maybe. More ruthless, less willing to hold back, yes.
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u/DestinyHasArrived101 Apr 10 '24
I'm really shocked that so many of them folded so easily to become evil.
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u/thesuperbro Tech Jacket Apr 10 '24
Part of the reason is a lot of them got their powers before Mark did leading them to have "the talk" with Nolan earlier and also having less time to bond with humanity as a regular human being.
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u/DestinyHasArrived101 Apr 10 '24
Ohhh that makes sense. So much thank you for answering.
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u/Resident_Hair3065 Where's Mark, William? Apr 12 '24
The ability to revive one's head on to their shoulders? Not too sure the Mark we know can do that...
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u/AllHailTheNod Apr 10 '24
I just felt this scene over the top evil, yknow. Even for evil Marks, whats the point in lining them up like that to kill them?
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u/PPR-Violation Apr 10 '24
Capital punishment. Gotta send a message. Something like that is done because it lets other people people undoubtably know who has control
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u/klumze Apr 10 '24
Im going to guess no because he is killing humans. Never being challenged leads to weakness and prevents growth.
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u/prettysweett Apr 10 '24
Probably not considering Viltrumites get stronger the more they get damaged and this version of Mark probably hasn’t had a global level ass whooping from his dad
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u/gitagon6991 Apr 10 '24
No he isn't. In fact Mark is at the top of the hierarchy when it comes to strength between him and his alternate counterparts
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u/Frosty-Ad-6946 Apr 10 '24
Just so you know, I haven’t read the comics. I got excited to, but I don’t want to ruin the best things in my life right now. It’s been a while since i was excited about anything, lol.
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u/KaptainKub Rex Splode Apr 10 '24
Don't know, doesn't matter. Probably never gonna see him again because it would diminish the importance of characters' lives, especially if you can just bring another one from another universe
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u/JohnyyBanana Apr 10 '24
The reason that this version of Mark would be stronger is because he embraced his Viltrumite heritage and thus focused on being a strong conqueror. Our Mark is a pussey
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u/big-peetard Apr 10 '24
Our Mark is the opposite. He fought back and got his ass kicked for his good morales. Mark fighting his dad and getting beaten close to death made him stronger. The evil marks submitted and in turn never had much of a challenge to force themselves to grow like ours did.
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u/Appellion Show Fan Apr 10 '24
The way the show is progressing and how it seems to display his power in relation to both training and personal inhibitions, I kinda feel like he’d get more powerful sooner if he lost his compunctions about killing very obvious threats to human life. I feel from what I’ve been told happens in the comics that isn’t true but I wish it was, if only because I feel he becomes something of an accomplice to collateral damage deaths with villains he doesn’t go all out on.
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u/JPGer Martian Man Apr 10 '24
the caped one seemed at least faster, it was something that i kept thinking about, cause omni man has moved pretty fast on people, The Anissa fight showed how fast viltrumites can really move, and so far only the caped version of invincible has shown that incredible speed. Speed he didn't show in the Levi fight until the very end.
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u/Kitchen_Club2541 Apr 10 '24
Canonically our mark os the strongest due to his wise. Ive read the comics
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u/jimmytimmy92 Apr 10 '24
Characters in invincible get stronger by getting beat within an inch of their life. I assume bad mark hasn’t had to fight to the death with viltrumites so I assume he’s weaker.
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u/michaelphenom Apr 10 '24
I dont think they are stronger because they barely fought against stronger foes due to them not choosing to be on the good side.
However they are more brutal in their fighting style
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u/Asher_Khughi1813 JK Simmons body pillow Apr 10 '24
theyre both probably the same in strength, just this mark is more capable of killing bc of different morals than the main mark
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u/Taco_64 Apr 10 '24
Viltrumites are like Saiyans, The more they push themselves the stronger they get, These Marks never had the balls or Care to rebel against omni man, So They instead started murdering Normal people without no challenge, which restricted them to their current level
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u/BGMDF8248 Apr 10 '24
The evil Marks should be a bit stronger than "normal Mark" because they don't hold back and embrace their aggressiveness(fight like a Viltrumite as Nolan would say).
When Mark started letting loose on Thraxa he became a lot stronger, same thing when Angstrom angered him too much.
So maybe not stronger compared to a Mark who's against the wall and lets it rip, but early in the fight they would smash our Mark.
The head chop isn't very impressive though, Omni-Man choped the entire body of the Immortal which is more durable.
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u/Mr_CookieTickles Apr 10 '24
Mark is capable of a lot of feats. He is just constantly holding back. His other earth counterparts are "stronger" only beacuse they don't hold back. Mark is very capable of doing what this invincible can.
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u/Apokolypse09 Apr 10 '24
Good Mark probably could do it too, he holds back most of the time.
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u/Roley_yoleR Apr 10 '24
I’d say yea just cause he’s got the killer instinct and assumingely willing to go all out where as Mark is (currently) still holding back a lot
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u/zznap1 Apr 10 '24
He literally says in his fight “I was holding back. I thought you were stronger.”
Our Mark is so afraid of hurting others that he’s constantly pulling his punches out of fear he might kill someone. Even when it puts his life in danger he’s afraid to use his full strength. All these other versions have the same amount of power. They just don’t care about killing or holding back (obviously).
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u/KarniAsadah Apr 10 '24
Kind of a simple question depending on the point in the timeline you’re talking about.
In this scenario, yes, he’s technically stronger because this one does not pull punches. As shown by his headslicing lol
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u/ImpressionDry6342 Apr 10 '24
Out of all the variants we saw in all the different universes we were party to, it’s odd you chose this one to ask about.
But to answer your question, there’s no way to know at the moment, we only have a short >20 second clip of him.
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u/elinamebro Apr 10 '24
I mean why will be the same power level but Nice mark would get whopped because Dick mark wouldn’t feel the need to hold back or car about collateral damage
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u/Logical4321 Abraham Lincoln Apr 10 '24
Original Mark can do same slashing head off trick. This isn't a sign of supremacy.