Sure, but I feel like if this was going to be a problem they should have pushed for better accessibility on his behalf or not pushed so hard to have a debate in the first place. In an effort to score cheap political points they undermined their own years-long battle to prove he's the best candidate they have, let alone a viable one
Yes his wife is his walking stick, they can't have Biden falling off stage again. Trump has business to do, he is not going to wait for a frame for the news.
Trump's family is a good one, they are all together. Biden's family is full of drug abuse and swapping wives.
But can I just point out the other contrast? Bidens wife joined him on the stage and then they went over and politely thanked the moderators. Trump just walks off back to his aides. Really highlights their character.
Biden is kind of a dick- he’s got tons of grumpy old man encounters. And we’ve seen countless times that when he gets lost leaving a stage he’ll go wherever he’s directed to.
But here's another way to look at it, Trump is a dick but he's not frail. I'd rather have a sassy dick go talk to other world leaders to try to get a better deal for my country than a senile fart who can't get off the stage without his wife physically and entire political establishment figuratively getting him off the stage.
I'm not arguing his policies or stances or if he answered the questions in the debate at all. It's simply a matter of optics and Joe Biden for two hours looked like a poor confused baby staring at a person they don't know. Biden's handlers should be embarrassed with themselves, I would've let the guy retire.
I agree Biden looked bad, well sounded bad at least. It made me sad that these are the choices. At his first response I said they should put a cap on age for the president. Eff it.
Seriously, we were all expecting something bad but the moment he started speaking I just felt so sorry for him. So much worse than I imagined, he should be in retirement, not being forced to go up against Trump a second time. I have a hard time believing he wanted to go up in the first place, honestly.
Thats a picture of a 2 second hand grasps as he walked by. If you watch the video he didn't hold his hand for support. He just gave his son a pretty wholesome little gesture as he walked by. Not even remotely helping him man.
Our country has gone to shit and the world is on the verge of ww3 because of Biden. We had peace in the Europe, Asia, and the Middle East under Trump. What are you even talking about?
Really highlights their character? One of those moderators sucks off Biden daily and has compared Trump to Hitler on many occasions. And you want Trump to go shake his hand? You fucking idiots will say anything to make your side look righteous.
Look, I don’t much care if Trump shakes the moderators hands or not, but let’s not pretend Trump hasn’t earned the criticism via his rhetoric and his actions these last 9-10 years.
Comparing Trump to Hitler is accurate. It’s amazing the logical backflips you’ll do to support your orange god. Thinking being polite and shaking someone’s hand is a bridge too far. Get over yourself.
Granted I typically read transcripts rather than watch video of his speeches, I feel like he sounded/looked sick? He’s old as fuck but last night was just embarrassing.
So when he gets sick and Putin pulls some shit, what then?
Again, we are at the point where the literal president of the united states is being given benefit of the doubt for his job that a regular worker would just be terminated over. What the fuck is this shit? Do your fuckin job or gtfo this guy is unfit to work, fire him and move on, this is America.
This is like 2020’s “speech impediment.” The “speech impediment” didn’t cover for his obvious cognitive decline if you listened to recordings of him pushing the crime bill in the 90s or whipping votes for the Iraq War a few years later and then watched his performance in the 2020 primary debates (I did this; it was depressing). And the “recovering from a cold” doesn’t cover for the obvious dementia we saw last night. Particularly for those of us who’ve cared for loved ones through that and knew what we were looking at.
Funny, I dont hear this about trump and couldnt even answer a question, called killing kids after being born abortion, called yhe person paying the tariff gina, i stead of the bill. Biden does have a speech impediment and is old, but trump is downright evil, stupid and clearly talks about sharks for what reason again?
The difference is Trump has been this way for decades. He’s just like that. He’s always spoken in sentence fragments that run together and then have to be interpreted. It’s bizarre and maddening to try to tease meaning from, but it isn’t necessarily a clear sign of cognitive decline. He’s just like that.
Biden is sadly demented. Running him in 2020 was elder abuse and this year’s campaign is just sad to watch. No amount of spin about “speech impediments” and “colds” makes that any less obvious to people who aren’t desperately looking to be convinced. It isn’t convincing.
I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016 or 2020 and I’m not voting for him this time. But that doesn’t mean I don’t have eyes, ears, and a functioning brain.
I have looked back to interviews from the 90's and when Obama ran, and that's just not true. He has always spoke like this sense running for president but it's worse now. Look at hos ramblings on his latest events to those when he ran in 2014. It's not just fragments, but completely incoherent thoughts and merging of topics. He has the nerve to then say he "aced" a cognitove test, there is no A.
Dementia tends to be fairly constant, his condition is quite variable, which means it's probably not dementia. He can't be diagnosed at a distance, but he has some pretty telltale traits in common with Parkinson's, namely his gait and his sporadically reduced ability to focus and maintain attention, and the frequent misuse of words when he gets stuck (the whole "we beat... medicare" bit is a good example). If I was more cynical I'd suspect he's probably been heavily assisted with stimulants for some time now, primarily to hide the state of his condition for the relatively short periods when he's in the public eye and needing to perform.
In any case, it poses a pretty interesting question: Who actually is running the country at the moment? Because it seems to me that he would struggle to even operate a motor vehicle.
Michael Jordan dropped 38 points on Utah in the '97 NBA Finals with full on flu. A fucking cold shouldn't be able to sideline our leaders. A fucking cold.
I didn’t get to watch for long so I missed that, thank you for the clarification. His voice coming & going made it clear something was up. His eyes seemed sunken too.
Yes, that is the concerning part. A handicap/old person is running against a lunatic over who will lead one of the biggest nations that acts as a counterbalance for peace
I really don't understand what democrats were thinking letting him run a second term, they have brilliant candidates in the wings that would run rings around the gibbering lunatic that is Trump.
But Biden is still a million times better than Trump.
I know this won't be a popular opinion, but Dean Philips said this was coming and was the only meaningful opposition to Biden in the primaries to try and avoid just that. Foresight and going against the grain are leadership qualities He also has cross-aisle appeal, in my view. I'd support him as the nominee, but it's not going to happen.
Bernie Sanders is forever an option in my mind, but given the context of Biden being eliminated on the basis of age in this hypothetical, that's just bad strategy.
Corey Booker is another good option.
Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, and Kamala Harris are the most commonly cited options, but I don't think they're good ones.
Absolutely agree. I was astonished that he is given the opportunity to run the country until he is 86 years old. He would likely die on that post, giving off vibes of medieval Europe where kings were on the throne until their death
Exactly that - Trump would rather lick Putin's boots than help Ukraine, giving a green light for another big wave of russian attacks who will lead God knows where. On top of that, I sincerely doubt that Trump will be able to handle the situation around Israel well, leading to other conflicts that could have been avoided.
If you think Trump is the one that stops wars, then why didn't he do anything to prevent the current Ukraine invasion when he himself admitted on the debate about knowing about it for a long time from Putin himself? He supposedly learned that info when he was still in office...
How could he prevent a war that happened when he wasn’t president..? Why not blame the commander in chief for not preventing it..? I know everything’s trumps fault 🙄
I should have clarified - I meant it in the context of the Russo-Ukranian war. The US has sent about 30 billions worth ((source) untill January of this year ,while Europe - less than 10. Yes, Europe has committed more to the humanitarian side, but we know that humanitarian aid doesn't win wars. I am not saying the US hasn't warmongered in other places where it shouldn't have
I mentioned it in another comment - I meant in the current Russo-Ukrainian conflict, given how much military aid the US has given in comparison to what the EU has mustered
Yes, and without the tonnes of military aid in Ukraine, the military situation would be very different. The EU is not as armed to the gills and doesn't weigh the same as the US
You're a few decades late with that comment. The last time the U.S. invaded another country was over 20 years ago. More importantly, the U.S. hasn't annexed territory since the 19th century, and has never invaded a democratic country. In comparison the PRC invaded and annexed Tibet in 1950, violated the treaty that was the basis of the return of Hong Kong, claims and violates the exclusive economic zone of something like six or seven countries in South-East Asia, and is overtly threatening the invasion and annexation of all of the territory of Taiwan. And don't get me started on Russia.
So yes, the U.S. does interfere militarily more often than most other countries. But it isn't the bully that China or Russia is. On the contrary they are definitely on the "right" side in every conflict that it currently is committed to, especially in arming Ukraine, and committing to defending both Taiwan and the Philippines in case of PRC aggression.
If it wasn't for the U.S. indeed providing 'counterbalance for peace' the PRC almost certainly would be imminently invading, or even already have invaded Taiwan, with all the death and destruction that would bring. Not to mention the millions of people that now live in a free democracy that would instead be condemned to the autocracy of the PRC.
Why is it so scary though? Joe Biden is super old but you are mostly voting for the party and the policies rather than the man. If he dies early in his term then his VP becomes prez. Its not like if you switched him out with some other dude that policies would drastically shift.
because hes the president of the united states lol, and it bothers me that someone could be at this level of mental deterioration and one of the most powerful men in the world
And the other one rants about sharks and batteries In boats. They are both old. Get over it. You can vote for the old guy with a real cabinet and agenda. Or you can vote for the old guy who's family grifted America for years, is a rapist, and convicted felon and whos party is actively is trying to take the rights away from women and LGBT citizens
i understand that, except i never said that i wasn’t picking a side. all im saying is that the sitting president isn’t performing well.
i obv am voting and know who im voting for, idk where yall got the impression that i wasn’t.. but pointing out a failing of a candidate isn't ignoring the failings of another candidate. those two aren't correlated.
We've had presidents serve very competently from wheelchairs. The question is can he make the right choices and decisions when they need to be made, and I believe he can and does
We've had presidents serve very competently from wheelchairs.
lets be real, its not as much about his ability to walk as much as it is his cognitive abilities.. its the fact that he has to be DIRECTED OUT from every rally/event because he doesnt know WHERE HE IS. thats what i was referring to, i obv dont care about how brittle his bones are.
It's also concerning that this post is just propaganda to spin the fact he can't even walk down two steps into oh his wife loves him so much. Crazy that people believe we live in a democracy when these are our options. Not a single person I know wants either of these fucks to even be considered for president let alone on the ballot.
Yeah this is such obvious propaganda, and I say this as someone who hates Trump and thinks he is a piece of shit. But like come on, this is what you gathered from Biden yesterday? Because I didn’t gather shit, because i didn’t understand anything Biden said. It was probably the most downright embarrassing performance by any candidate in the history of the USA.
Imagine you're meeting with someone about something important, like going to go to your boss to for a raise. Imagine trusting Biden to go to the meeting instead to represent you.
It was like watching a coherent guy rambling nonsense I couldn’t understand vs an old man who looked and sounded incoherent and I couldn’t really understand either.
I wonder about the timeline if Bernie had become president instead..
it was NOT that bad bro I was able to understand biden fine for the most part. Sometimes you have to give him a second to formulate instead of going straight to t-t-t-today junior jokes.
This is the crux of all of this for me, and it's a world wide problem. Who cares who the leader is....it's about the party(administration) and policy. But people are stupid and we slowly heading towards Idiocracy.
Ain’t no god damn way they’re letting Kamala run for president. Her approval rating is in the dumpster because she just cannot connect with the average American.
The DNC is going to ask Biden to step aside and they’re going to nominate their preferred candidate at convention, almost certainly Newsom.
You do realize if Kamala takes over and runs for president she will lose in a landslide right? Do you not remember when she didn't even get 1% of the vote after she got destroyed in the debates in 2020?
Are you trying to say that Donald Trump is the picture of health… ageism is wrong … on Bidens worse day he still makes a better president and human being than Donald Trump
Last night Joe couldn’t even get off the stage. He shit on his feet. All so sad. Stop ignoring the obvious. We need a new candidate or orange man will lord over us
Pretty sure none of us are ignoring it. We are extremely disappointed with our options. This was hard to watch. This is a man with severe dementia or alzheimers. He deserves to step down and retire in peace.
Personally I think we should all see the shitshow that this was regardless of what you think. They kept talking about a nation in decline and how it wasn't either of their faults but the other guy but in all honesty it's both of their faults and a result of both of them being president and how their also both forerunners for this next election.
Majority of commenters here are Correct The Record folks (or whatever their modern equivalent is here). It’s why you see such wild unwavering pro Biden sentiment on default subs but not on other subs.
yeah I was thinking, reddit does NOT want to bring up what happened at the end. It was the cherry on top of the case that Biden is a geriatric. I knew he was old before this. Now I've just seen he is utterly senile. He was incoherent for 90 minutes.
I don’t care how the parties spin this she was clearly helping her spouse as she should, because he is a frail old man, a fall risk and more then likely is senile.
It’s a shame that we are so stuck in our political party fight.
"cheap fake", as a political slogan, had a lifespan of about two days, because Democrats know it's impossible to convince the planet Earth that what they saw on TV for 90 live, unedited minutes was faked in any way.
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You don't want to see the video of this.... Edit: the video https://x.com/ocraziocornpop/status/1806530974013866379