r/inthenews • u/OkRoll3915 • 4d ago

Undecided voters say they now support Joe Biden after debate article

https://www.newsweek.com/latino-voters-donald-trump-joe-biden-debate-election-1918795
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u/Only1Schematic 4d ago

Trust no polls. Vote like it’s the last Presidential election we’ll ever have, because this time there’s an overwhelming chance it actually will be.

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u/Murky_Effect_7667 3d ago

You are among the few people that are being real here if trump wins the sanctity of democracy that is already in tatters will be gone. I doubt he gains the control to be a dictator like some people believe but the Supreme Court will fuck us all over til the day we die. The precedent will be set that liars and cheats can and will win in not just in capitalism but the presidency. I get it politicians typically lie but trump literally is incapable of speaking the truth and using information to make decisions he does what he wants and makes up the reality he wants while his followers eat it up. The Supreme Court already legalized bribery this month everything is at stake here

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u/Reclusive_Chemist 3d ago

It's less Trump himself than the sycophants he surrounds himself with who are the danger. They're making the plans, his hand would just be the one signing the executive orders or bills they ultimately craft.

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u/BillHillyTN420 3d ago

The future of the Supreme Court is the high stakes. Better get out and vote and encourage others.

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u/Mundane-Effective269 3d ago

Not hearing enough of this. There’s several who are highly likely to croak or retire in the next few years and the last thing we need is the Cheeto picking their successors.

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u/sgrizzly2134 3d ago

Even if you somehow think your vote doesn't matter or you don't wanna vote for the less of two evils, your vote lives on for generations in the supreme court. We have 5/9 justices who were put on the bench by Presidents who didn't win the popular vote..

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u/Dirty_Mung_Trumpet 3d ago

I’m 33 and it just kind of sunk in yesterday that a republican hasn’t won the popular vote once in my lifetime and we’ve had multiple republicans win office in that time

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u/Background_Chemist_8 3d ago

W won the popular vote against Kerry in '04. Other than that, you're correct.

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u/IsntItObvious_2021 3d ago

Doesn't matter if they won the popular vote or not; the Constitution provides for the Electoral College. I live in Indiana and there would be no reason for me to bother voting because the heavily populated states like Cali would decide.

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u/SautDeChat 3d ago

While I agree with what you are saying wholeheartedly, I worry that calling Trump names like "Cheeto" and such downplay exactly what he is. He is a Fascist and he should be labeled as such. Not directed at you, just something I've noticed in discourse.

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u/TheRustyBird 3d ago

i dont get why people aren't leading with "convicted felon donald trump "

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u/Autistigasmatic 3d ago

To be fair, it's a shortening of Cheeto Benito. Alternatively, Mango Mussolini. And I would argue that those nicknames fundamentally paint him as fascist.

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u/machineprophet343 3d ago

Tangerine Palpatine.

Apricot Asshole.

Honeydew Hitler.

Take your pick.

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u/BeefWellingtonSpeedo 3d ago

I just eliminate the "T".

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u/Diligent_Issue8593 3d ago

Honestly the phrase Cheeto hits harder than fascist nowadays.

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u/InvariantInvert 3d ago

Fascist doesn't work like it used too. Both parties are using it. I would go with felon, rapist and convicted criminal.

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u/Willdefyyou 3d ago

If trump wins the SCOTUS will have an extreme right wing Christian majority for another 50 years.

That is longer than some of us will be alive...

People, please don't subject us to that because Biden had one poor night... the other guy lied, is insane, and will take this country back into the 1800's

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u/Ted_Rid 3d ago

The 1800s were arguably better.

Didn't you guys incorporate the Establishment Clause into the Constitution in 1791?

The current SCOTUS seems to be bending over backwards to pretend it doesn't ever apply.

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u/ATGSunCoach 3d ago

That is nothing but pure fact.

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u/Kvalri 3d ago

I think you mean the 1600’s lol

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u/Boring-Test5522 3d ago

How come we came into this reality ? Since when we have to choose the lesser evil of both candidates instead of voting for the right leader to lead us out of chaos time ? Both Reps and Dems are looking down on voters with threats "look, you have to vote for ME because the another guy is a bad guy" not because "I am a capable leader who is strong and healthy"

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u/Existing-Lab-1216 3d ago

Biden was actually trying to speak to what his government has achieved to help everyday Americans. The moderators sat on their hands and let BS reign. No fact checking.

Do look at what the Democrats have managed to achieve, often with bi-partisan support. Low unemployment, good middle class job creation. Meaningful support for Unions. Reduction in cost of insulin, actual infrastructure projects, increased healthcare and childcare.

No chaotic tweets at two am, no daily drama, no whining. Actual respect for the rule of law.

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u/Boring-Test5522 3d ago

The debate is not about facts and figutes. This is internet age people can verify these claims for few minutes. The debate is showing the votes how would you speak and present under pressure and Biden clearly did not win that aspect. How could Biden speak against Putin, Kim and Xi that he cannot speak against an idiot like Trump ? We need to change, now !

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u/Existing-Lab-1216 3d ago

Do you seriously believe having Trump talking to his dictator heroes would be good for the USA?

Biden, on the other hand, is respected by your country’s allies and can speak with them. Debates are supposed to be about facts and figures. You’re supposed to prove your position.

It’s sad that Presidential debates have now devolved into slinging insults and unsubstantiated accusations.

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u/CTC42 3d ago

How could Biden speak against Putin, Kim and Xi that he cannot speak against an idiot like Trump

Debates are theatre. International relations in the sense you're describing is not theatre.

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u/ominous_squirrel 3d ago

I don’t know man, but I’m trying to have a picnic and browse reddit right this moment in a little suburban picnic shelter and I had to remove two propaganda stickers from a white supremacist group that supports Donald Trump. Never saw anything like that before Trump started his 2016 election campaign

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u/Acrobatic-Expert-507 3d ago

This is the only argument. Gotta be 200 million Americans eligible to run for the office of the President. These are our two choices. We need to look into how the fuck we got here…….

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u/Wang_Fister 3d ago

For something so seemingly vital they're definitely not sending their best.

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u/[deleted] 3d ago

This. It's fucking embarrassing. I refuse to vote for someone who's actually dying. The DNC did this shit to themselves just like when they stabbed Bernie in the back before 2016 and pushed liberals to not voting or voting red. We've had over a year of discussing that he's too old and not fit enough to run again and everyone just tried to turn it into a joke. It's not a fucking joke. Dude is dying. It's near as embarrassing to have the leader of our nation be someone in his current state as it was to have Trump, and there's no way he'll make 4 years of it. There's no way he's fully in control and command of the nation currently. It was blind stupid hubris to let him run again on his part and the part of the DNC.

I'm not voting for Trump, never have and never will. But I'm not voting for Biden either. I can't in good faith vote for someone in that state as Commander in Chief of even his retirement home.

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u/CTC42 3d ago

I understand that you've managed to get yourself in a flap about this, but your vote for Biden is actually a vote for the next potentially 3 supreme court justices, and a vote for the continuation of democratic elections themselves in this country.

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u/seztomabel 3d ago

Such high stakes and the dems choose to prop up a shell that is clearly unfit for the job.

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u/Redshoe9 3d ago

Yeah, life sucks and our political system has sucked for 50 years but I will vote for the skin tags on Joe Biden‘s saggy nuts before I ever vote for Trump.

The Supreme Court ruling for the last two years have clearly paved the way for a dystopian, fucking nightmare.

The Chevron reversal today has seasoned journalist and commentators that I didn’t see freak out over Roe vWade freaking the fuck out today.

Biden is old but he is a good human and he isn’t the threat to our survival that Trump is.

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u/Willdefyyou 3d ago

I would vote for a bucket of steaming shit over trump because the former won't engage in insurrection and talk about how awesome Putin is.

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u/Willdefyyou 3d ago

He is clearly fine, stop being a drama queen. Trump was never fit and saying he won't accept election results is a fucking disgrace! Who wants a leader who can't accept accountability for his actions?? Pathetic!!!

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u/Feisty_Inevitable418 3d ago

One poor night? Biden's brain has melted. Be pissed at the people in positions currently that have enabled this for so long and for not even having primaries

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u/Redshoe9 3d ago

I’m not voting to elect a debator. I’m voting to elect the next three Supreme Court justices.

If we want to be pissed at anyone, we need to be pissed at ourselves because we don’t turn out to vote. 100 million people sat out 2016 and 2020

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u/Bulky_Promotion_5742 3d ago

This is absolutely correct. The court is already overturning decades long Precedents. It won’t stop! Vote Democrat!

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u/elriggo44 3d ago

The fact that the Democratic Party isn’t running against the court is so crazy.

Biden should mention project 2025 and the extremists on the Robert’s court every time he talks.

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u/TheRustyBird 3d ago

i'm an optimist, so i like to hope we might finally get enough control in the senate to bypass the fillibuster. then if dems have any goddamn balls they impeach uncle tom and alito for the corrupt pieces of shit that they are, and open up extensive investigations into all the rest.

but would also be just happy if they croak under a dem president (though we still need control of the senate to get anyone put on the bench, as history has shown republicans are more than willing to block SC appointments for no good reason)

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u/Unhappy-Plastic2017 3d ago

Can you imagine if trump gets in again and we end up with 8/9 or 9/9 Maga supreme court justices for the next 30 years? Dear god.

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u/baconwagoneer 3d ago

Is someone retiring?

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u/Cdubya35 3d ago

You don’t have to talk him up, he’s already set to win. Especially after Glitchy Joe’s performance in the debate.

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u/mynameis4chanAMA 3d ago

Exactly. SCOTUS gave us a grave reminder EARLIER TODAY why this election is so important

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u/machineprophet343 3d ago

Stephen Miller is a huge one. And apparently Trump listens to him quite a bit and he informs a lot of Trump's rhetoric about immigrants.

Miller blames Mexicans rather than market forces, which he has been told repeatedly by his own family when they still talked to him, for his family's fortunes souring during the California luxury real estate collapse in the late 1990s.

He'll absolutely push for the mass deportation camps to be far more sinister than they already sound. Based on his level of hate, he would absolutely support a full fledged genocide. He's the mastermind behind the family separations that were so awful.

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u/SkirtNo6785 3d ago

There is a very dangerous group of Christian dominionists who have surrounded Trump and will happily use him as a means to impose theocracy on the American people

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u/Champlainmeri 3d ago

Exactly. Thinking people know that the real work is done behind the scenes. But the 2025’ers are ready and waiting to sweep the entire country into a theocracy. I wish Joe had said this instead of asking the orange one to carry his own golf bag. Lots of wasted opportunities.

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u/Ok-Statement-8801 3d ago

There's millions of people who have something to lose if Project 2025 happens. Don't worry, scared little redditor. Your little hobby of collecting fake internet points will be safe.

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u/Aggressive-Remote-57 3d ago

And millions who have something to gain. And what the fuck is the latter half of that comment??

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u/electricmehicle 3d ago

This right here. You elect a president AND the cabinet. Biden surely has cronies by his side, but you’re generally looking at Mayor Pete tier secretaries.

Trump is so toxic, you’ll only get the worst of the worst, since anyone qualified wants nothing to do with him. That means his dipstick family running the country.

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u/Realistic-Minute5016 3d ago

We were spared the worst the first time around because trump was so lazy he didn’t bother with a lot of the organization needed to implement a lot of the stuff he shit tweeted about, but this time around everyone around him is a lot better prepared and organized so his laziness won’t save us next time around.

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u/HiJinx127 3d ago

He’s also got P2025 to make use of, and at least one group has been looking at civil servants with a microscope, trying to weed out who isn’t “loyal enough” to be kept in their jobs if Frump wins.

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u/CharlieDmouse 3d ago

He is blowing through his war-chest

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u/pinkyfitts 3d ago

Agree. Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller are Himmler and Goebbels combined.

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u/Medium_Medium 3d ago

Yeah. Trump wants the presidency to stroke his ego, grift like mad, and because it protects him from prosecution. But the old school Republicans who somewhat believed in the American system spurned him in 2015, so he surrounded himself with folks like Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, and Steve Miller. Every Christo-Fascist in the country is licking their chops trying to get on board the Trump Train, because he'll let them do whatever they want so long as he gets to be "the strong leader" at the top.

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u/Cdog927 3d ago

This. Trump is an idiot and doesn’t care or believe 90% of the shot he says. Hes just trying to avoid prison

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u/Embarrassed_Worth504 3d ago

Yeah, Trump isn't smart enough to be a dictator. The clowns around him though....

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u/Spu12nky 3d ago

Trump sucks, but he is far from stupid.  Unfortunately he is smart, and convinced a bunch of blue collar good old boys that he gives two shits about them.  He has played the Christian conservatives like a fiddle.  The stupid people are those that unquestionably believe whatever Trump says.  

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u/phriot 3d ago

It's probably immaterial, because the outcome is the same, but Trump is not smart - he just has an intuitive low cunning that makes him a good con man. He's not a virtuoso playing a violin; he's a monkey who bangs at the typewriter so much that he produces Shakespeare far more often than you'd think.

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u/Ted_Rid 3d ago

Heard a good take on him: that his main skill is reading the room.

So when he goes rambling on weird tangents at rallies, his narcissistic impulses are very finely tuned to what creates a positive reaction, so he throws a bunch of random shit at the wall, then when the audience responds to one piece of shit he quickly pivots and makes that the focus.

A useful talent for a conman, or a used car salesman ("you look like the kinda guy who values engine power...(no reaction from buyer)...but even more importantly, reliability! (yes, got a bite!), well this car is super reliable, but also powerful. Do you have a family? You could load them into this beauty with all the luggage and cross the country 10 times, no problems" etc)

Great for getting people onside, but making up policy on the fly like that is obviously shithouse.

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u/Embarrassed_Worth504 3d ago

I vehemently disagree. I do not see a competent authoritarian in Trump. I see someone who says things with no knowledge of what he is talking about. I see someone who did not ever effectively govern as leader. I see someone who knows how to profit off of other other people. It doesn't take much intelligence to con US Christians and blue collar workers. Not to mention his clear mental, cognitive and intellectual impairments and handicaps.

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u/SteelBandicoot 3d ago

Trump will do whatever the highest bidder wants.

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u/Fireman16dye 3d ago

Trump is the highest bidder

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u/BeefWellingtonSpeedo 3d ago

Why do you think Biden is different?

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u/CharlieDmouse 3d ago

Whoever he is cruel and ruthless enough. The brains will come from various puppet masters/bribers

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u/Flat-Dragonfruit-172 3d ago

Putin picked a perfect puppet

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u/CautionarySnail 3d ago

Yes. As long as they play nice to his ego, he will go along with just about anything.

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u/Ajax-Rex 3d ago

I agree. I suspect most of them view him as a “usefull idiot” that will help them achieve their extreme goals. Yall fear a Trump presidency? You should really be afraid of the one that follows in his footsteps. That one will use the same corrupt playbook but will be anything but an idiot.

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u/SnooRobots1533 3d ago

Exactly. He's a dumb moron with the attention span of a 3 yo. It's the people riding in his wake that see dangerous. See the Supreme Court etc. trumps a fool. He's just being used quite well.

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u/Redshoe9 3d ago

Just reflect back on Trump’s first inauguration, how grotesque and infuriating the spectacle was. Think about Stephen Miller who said, “The presidents authority will not be questioned “ and flashed his little Nazi hand signs in photograph, running his fingers over the resolute desk and deciding which group of people to target next

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u/thiswighat 3d ago

Project 2025

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u/Murky_Effect_7667 3d ago

I just think his followers are idiots and will follow only him but you have a great point because people like Marjorie Taylor Greene are next in line to make up bs and somehow gain a following. There are plenty of others to fill his shoes

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u/AffectionateSet4294 3d ago

Fill his diapers

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u/Murky_Effect_7667 3d ago

That too lmao

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u/disturbedsoil 3d ago

You just claimed a majority of US voters are idiots. Democracy and all that weird stuff should make you question your statement.

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u/Murky_Effect_7667 3d ago edited 3d ago

I mean yeah sorry but it’s true someone like trump should never have a following he’s a rapist, a liar, a cheat and he failed at running a goddamn casino. He’s a terrible businessman, criminal and an idiot how can anybody trust him to accomplish anything for them

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u/KurioMifune 3d ago

The majority of the US are idiots.

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u/GrizzKarizz 3d ago

Anyone who doesn't think that Trump will be a dictator or try his level best is delusional.

Honestly, why give him the chance?

I don't want to be proven wrong, I want to die wondering.

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u/MrmmphMrmmph 3d ago

Remember big business was quite happy to bind their fortunes to the Nazis because of the financial benefits they expected to get. This includes a number of large American businesses still around. Don't ignore the financial and ratings windfall news businesses accrue with the constant alarm and vitriol that Trump spews.

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u/florida-karma 3d ago

I agree the backroom Leo Leonards are doing as much damage as Trump would but Trump would be the one destabilizing the world by pulling out of NATO.

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u/AdAdministrative4388 3d ago

Trump will allow this to happen because he believes presidents should have absolute power like a dictator.. other republicans with a spine for a tiny bit of integrity probably wouldn't go ahead with it..

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u/OptimisticRecursion 3d ago

But he enables them. It's insanely sad and tragic. I see it as literally a sort of bizarre mental illness.

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u/needyprovider 3d ago

You just described the current presidency as well.

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u/fat_fart_sack 3d ago

It’s both. Trump isn’t just sitting there letting others make decisions for him; he IS always the last word in everything.

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u/magnoliasmanor 3d ago

That's what I told my wife. Trotsky and Lenin weren't terrible, and were actual leaders. It's Stalin who took power when Lenin died that was he real nightmare. I'm not worried about Trump, I'm worried about Steve Bannon or the likes taking power after him.

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u/SatchmoDingle 3d ago

No, it’s trump. The sycophants are terrible, no doubt. But he gives them permission to be that way.

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u/Doibu 3d ago

It really does come down to the Supreme Court. Just today hundreds of traitorous rebels were given a lifeline straight out of their prisons by the Court. The Chevron Deference being overturned this week pulls the teeth out of federal agencies which were the only real (if already weakened) line odefence between Americans and furthering the rapidity and scope of climate change. Two justices are open about their political beliefs and one outright is skirting the law and ethics by accepting hugely valuable gifts from a billionaire. Everyone knows what happens to Roe V Wade, which was horrifying, yet the implication of that decision is even more so: With their conservative majority, the Supreme Court isn’t afraid to, against the will of the people, strike down basic rights granted by the constitution by overturning a decades-old, entrenched ruling. If Trump wins and two more gavels turn conservative, does anyone think Obergfell with last beyond Trumps administration? Or Loving? Or no-fault divorce? We are an election away from a country that either takes a 70 year step back in time, and that’s not even considering the unpredictable actions trump will take in a second term, project 2025, or the chaos that will erupt worldwide without NATO, without the US being active in the UN, the ending of support for the Ukraine and Eastern Europe, the billionaire tax eliminations, the tariff hikes, and the withdrawal of us military presence across the globe. Or we can elect Biden, even out this unbalance in the court, and hold fast against the retrograde elements of our population.

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u/SmellGestapo 3d ago

Politicians don't really lie outright. They stretch the truth so they can take credit for things they didn't do, like saying their economic plan created 100,000 new jobs when the economy was already growing jobs. It's how most people write their resumes.

Trump lies outright. He lies about verifiable facts. It rained and he says it didn't.

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u/Gators44 3d ago

I don’t think that’s an unusual sentiment actually. I think most people see trunp as a threat to everything we hold dear. Thats why he lost last time. It wasn’t because anyone was enamored with Biden

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u/mok000 3d ago

Trump simply doesn't know the difference between true and false statements. It's not how his brain works, he evaluates statements on whether they benefit him or not. True or false is not in his universe.

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u/TheStoolSampler 3d ago

And everyone has a price.

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u/fritzrits 3d ago

I hope so, lots of people lack so much education in our political systems. They either just bandwagon or simply think their votes don't matter or affect them. Our education system sucks and it should educate people better on this.

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u/codacoda74 3d ago

SCOTUS and presidency are some of the few immediately noticable instant changes we get to see. This SCOTUS can and will be remedied if, and only if, there's a solid DEM win.

Not just a squeaker, it needs to be such a overwhelming win that the GOP is sent back to it's room to think about it's behavior before it can come back out and play civilization.

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u/Lanc717 3d ago

He literally has his plans on his website mapped out. If you look over these plans, it's not at all crazy to be worried if he is elected again.

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u/Ok-Statement-8801 3d ago

Yes. A Supreme Court made up of a stolen nomination by Mitch Mc Conell, while you did nothing. A Supreme Court position left open because of some social media trend of the "Notorious RBG" pushed by some insignificant politician in New York. You did this to yourselves.

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u/OGWopFro 3d ago

It’s like the Biff Tannin multiverse spin off. Like no shit.

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u/raiderstakem 3d ago

Biff has the Almanac

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u/Zimakov 3d ago

You are among the few people that are being real here

Huh? This is the top comment on every post about the election lmao

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u/firehandy 3d ago

Serious question: do you actually support joe Biden? I hate both candidates almost equally and will vote for neither but how can any sane individual actually consider voting for either of these people. How did the democratic party not find any other human being that they could run? How do we get to this point and not be furious enough to try to change it? I've met many Trump supporters and they're all vocal about it. I have never once met a person in real life that admits to supporting Joe Biden. I'm voting third party please don't downvote me without at least answering the question.

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u/Sea_Court907 3d ago

If he gets both houses of congress, we're doomed.

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u/RayAlmighty13 3d ago

Spoken like a person that hates one man more than loves their country.

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u/Ok-Past83 3d ago

But if the senile puppet they roll out wins democracy is fine? Democracy is clearly already gone

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u/Jaymoacp 3d ago

Hate to break this to you, but liars and cheats have been winning elections at all levels, all over the world for like..ever.

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u/Murky_Effect_7667 3d ago

Cool thanks for adding to the conversation how’d that go for those countries? How’s Russia doing?

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u/dreadpiratemyk 3d ago

It’ll all fold into nonsense pretty quick, which is what really worries me because of a foreign threat finally being able to reach our shores without a fully functioning military. Lucky for us there’s a shitload of room for all of us to spread out

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u/DesertVeteran_PA-C 3d ago

Who is trying to remove people from the ballot?

Who is likely to elect a candidate without a vote by the people?

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u/SepticX75 3d ago

Why will democracy be gone if T wins? (Genuine question)

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u/Awful_McBad 3d ago

The only difference between trump and a career politician is that Trump is bad at hiding the fact he's full of shit.

If he'd been in the game as long as Biden it wouldn't be as obvious, it'd be more like Dubya where he's kinda disarming despite being so fucking skeevy.

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u/Maxwe4 3d ago

We've had many many liars and cheats as presidents. Trump is not the first.

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u/Brojess 3d ago

“That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness..“

LITERALLY IN THE FUCKING CONSTITUTION. WAKE UP PEOPLE THE GOVERNMENT IS A SCAM WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE HAD BECOME TO OPPRESS YOU INTO SUBMISSION. GROW SOME BALLS ⚽️ CAUSE WERE GOING TO NEED THEM!

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u/TheOneWondering 3d ago

Can you explain the logic behind Trump winning an election being the end of democracy?

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u/WarExciting 3d ago

Jeez, clutch those pearls a bit harder…

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u/Spare_Change_Agent 3d ago

Rest assured the whole “dictator” thing will never, ever happen. Period. Not possible.

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u/Bubbly-Independent20 3d ago

Biden is the exact same only not loud about it. We need different opinions