r/facepalm • u/Rave4life79 • 2d ago
A man changes his gender so he could retire earlier in Argentina 🇲🇮🇸🇨
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u/Fluid-Stuff5144 2d ago
The facepalm is that Argentina has different retirement ages for Men and Women.
Don't hate the player here.
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u/Wise-Juggernaut-8285 2d ago
Correct
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u/RockstarAgent 2d ago
Big brain move-
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u/coolsnek3 2d ago
Megamind 3-the sequel we all deserved.
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u/Def_a_psychopath 2d ago
3? what are you talking about? there hasn’t been a megamind two yet
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u/TheFlameArmy 2d ago
I’m so sorry you had to find out this way… there is, and it was horrible
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u/Another_frizz 2d ago
There's no easter bunny, there's no tooth fairy, and there is no Megamind 2!
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u/Sad_Bridge_3755 2d ago
We don’t acknowledge it. There was only one megamind movie.
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u/unsual_Salamander_28 2d ago
Horrible indeed , I wish peacock had a "hide" or "not interested" feature, that dam movie always plays after Trolls 3 and im sick of giving it views lmao, they're gonna think someone liked it.
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u/g4bkun 2d ago
I believe most Latin American countries do, even in Colombia, women can retire around 5 years before men.
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u/Euler007 2d ago
So all in all, the men retire later and die earlier? Sounds like a meh deal.
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u/HollowCondition 2d ago
Being a man who’s not born into a wealthy family is a meh deal in general.
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u/BRAX7ON 2d ago
The same holds true if you’re not born into a good-looking family…
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u/funny__username__ 2d ago
What if your born ugly into a good looking family?
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u/Imaginary_Election56 2d ago
Then the postman has some explaining to do
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u/Magnetar_Haunt 1d ago
I mean, 2 pretties don’t necessarily fuse into a pretty.
If the parents both have specific good features, but the son got both sets of wonky features, that’s just a bad roll.
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u/Prestigious_Care3042 2d ago
Well then do like the Kardashians and get “just a little” work done without ending up entirely plastic.
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u/AaronVsMusic 2d ago
Being anyone not born into a wealthy family is a meh deal, or worse.
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u/g4bkun 2d ago
Yep, in Colombia, men have higher cardiovascular risk, suffer more from depression and are more likely to be murdered, still, mandated retirement comes six years later in comparison to our female counterparts, kinda sucks if you ask me
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u/Intelligent-Block457 2d ago
The higher cardiovascular risk caused by the arepas, empanadas, salchipapas, arroz con frijoles cooked in fatty cerdo, badeja paisa, etc that is being cooked by the woman who gets to retire earlier 😅
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u/Almost80sBabee 2d ago
Don’t you ever talk sh*t about empanadas again!
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u/Intelligent-Block457 2d ago
I've eaten more empanadas and papas rellenas en la calle than just about anyone. They flow through my veins like the oil in which they're saturated 🤗
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u/DataIllusion 2d ago
But why? Men have shorter life expectancies, and are more likely to work physical labour jobs which are hard on the body
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u/walketotheclif 2d ago
I think it was done because when it was introduced there was the believe that women weren't as strong and durable as men so they had to retire early
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u/jellyfish_bitchslap 2d ago
Is not, it’s because women have historically done domestic tasks alone, so they mostly have their jobs and the house to take care of. Letting them retire early is a way to compensate how exhausting it is.
At least that’s what I was taught in law school in Brazil, and as far as I know our retirement policies are pretty comparable.
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u/womanistaXXI 2d ago
Sim, concordo. Essas políticas vêm originalmente da união soviética que foi a primeira a dar a emancipação às mulheres. Por isso criaram muitas creches e restaurantes e lavandarias populares para aliviar o cargo doméstico das mulheres. As mulheres que davam à luz a muitos filhos tinham privilégios, prémios, prioridade em vários sítios. Dá para ver que muitos dos países onde as mulheres se podem reformar mais cedo têm um passado socialista.
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u/whatever462672 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's because women don't get to retire. They become unpaid caretakers for their older husband and both sets of parents. This ruling gives the women a meager pension for their new full-time career as a nurse.
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u/Opelem 2d ago
Yup. Am polish, not argentinan but we have same issue here. I find it kinda amusing how despite recently creating Equality Department in government, they refused to adress it despite multiple people asking them about it
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u/Legal_Lettuce6233 2d ago
Men live shorter and yet almost universally work longer. Hip hip hooray for equality
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u/alejo699 2d ago
Can I hate the messenger? Daily Mail is a tabloid rag and this story is almost certainly bullshit.
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u/skydevouringhorror 2d ago
I'm italian, here women retire 2 years earlier than men
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u/alejo699 2d ago
I meant the “transitioning just to retire early” part.
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u/Xolei 2d ago
It's true, in spain a sexual ofender changed his documents to be a women and end up doing less time. I know this stuff sounds as anti lgbt propaganda, but it is happening
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u/RSomnambulist 2d ago
Also, if one gender is going to have an earlier retirement, it should be men. Women have a longer lifespan on average, so this makes reverse-sense.
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u/pheonix198 2d ago
It’s stupid for either gender to have an advantage given by society based strictly on one’s birth “roll.”
As easy as one could make your argument, women could argue they create and then carry life so deserve to be cared for entirely and allowed retirement earlier.
It’s all stupid. One gender’s plight is no more deserving of earlier retirement than the others’ nor should any other legal entitlement be granted one gender over the next.
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u/MLeek 2d ago
Sure. But this was “given” to women so they could better fulfill their assigned role. It’s wasn’t even benevolent sexism.
They didn’t give it to women as a reward. It was given to women to make it easier for them to leave the workforce when their husband did. To provide care for him. Husbands were on average several years older than wives, and as people have pointed out: Likely to get sicker, earlier than women. They needed care.
This wasn’t a reward for being born female. It was a allowance made for married woman to better perform their caregiving roles and serve the needs of aging men.
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u/5_yr_old_w_beard 1d ago
This needs to be higher
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u/MLeek 1d ago
Yeah. I was surprised to see no one pointed out this was about caring for men and grandchildren. Like, the logic was well documented! It’s not like they didn’t write this shit down. This wasn’t a gift to women, but was about the economics of the household. This was to make sure women in the workplace were incentivized against remaining in the workplace, but to return to caregiving when retired husbands or grand babies needed their unpaid labour.
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u/waisonline99 2d ago
Suddenly 0 men over the age of 60 in Argentina.
Girl Power!
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u/tacocarteleventeen 2d ago
It’s an amazingly stupid system considering women live longer than men. It should be reversed if anything.
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u/diverareyouokay 2d ago
It has nothing to do with life expectancy. They want men to continue generating tax revenue. The glass ceiling is a thing there, too. Men out earned women. If they have to work even longer, more money for the government.
Although it’s odd that it’s not the same age for both.
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u/RinoaRita 2d ago
Then make it higher for women too? It’s weird to make that distinction
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u/Accurate_Move362 2d ago
It doesn’t matter, we’re men, we’re just expected work, provide, then die.
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u/stewart125 2d ago
You forgot the "or else"
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u/HotSituation8737 2d ago
Or else what? We starve? I think that's an everyone thing.
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u/CaptainMatticus 2d ago
But if all of the men start identifying as women, their life expectancy isn't going to change. That'll bring the life expectancy for women down, which will encourage an even earlier retirement age for women, which will encourage more people to self-identify as women, and now I've gone cross-eyed.
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u/NeonJungleTiger 2d ago
So what you’re saying is, if this trend continues, and we have a spike in infant mortality alongside the government continuing to blindly correct for it, people will be able to retire when they’re born?
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u/RyukHunter 2d ago
But if all of the men start identifying as women, their life expectancy isn't going to change
But at least men will be able to enjoy a few more retired years.
That'll bring the life expectancy for women down, which will encourage an even earlier retirement age for women, which will encourage more people to self-identify as women, and now I've gone cross-eyed.
You joke. But I hope this happens.
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u/Strange-Mouse-8710 2d ago
This is not a facepalm
Its a brilliant move.
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u/Fabulous_Engine_7668 2d ago
Brilliant for him. Maybe a face palm for Argentina's retirement laws.
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u/az226 2d ago
If anything it should be the other way around since women live longer.
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u/TwentyCharacters2022 2d ago
Well, thats on Argentina, then.
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u/smurfkipz 2d ago
Next thing you know, the Argentinian government starts banning gender identity rights.
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u/MegamanGaming 2d ago
This isn’t facepalm. This is exploiting a stupid system
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u/LegendOfKhaos 2d ago
The facepalm is probably a lack of basic equality
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u/CaptainFleshBeard 2d ago
Now to be equal, Argentinia raises women retirement age by 5 years
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u/Amazoncharli 2d ago
That would be the way, no way would they lower the men’s retirement age to what the womens age is.
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u/AssaultedCracker 2d ago
Realistically that’s what the trend needs to be. Boomers aging out are gonna wreck the economy.
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u/Stravven 2d ago
That is indeed true. Example: Here, when state sponsored retirement (AOW) was introduced people got it aged 65, and on average died aged 74. Nowadays they get it aged 67, and die aged 85 on average. That's twice as many years to cover. Add to that that the ratio of retirees to working people has decreased from 5 to 1 to 2.5 to 1 too.
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u/Mindless_Sock_9082 2d ago
This is quite old. About 10 years ago Argentina's legal government legislated the possibility of changing the sex on ID cards to the self-perceived one quite easily. This guy exploited this law to change his gender to female when he was about 58 years old, getting to retire at age 60, like the woman that was stated on "her" papers (never took any conduct that shown the gender change save for feminizing his name from Sergio to Sergio). Five years after, went to the government to ask to get his gender back to male, stating that "he realized he was wrong about his previous change of gender". The Congress reaction to this, was modifying the gender change law to state that the change of gender doesn't modify the juridical obligations previous to the gender change (including the retirement age).
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u/Vithmiris 2d ago
The Congress reaction to this, was modifying the gender change law to state that the change of gender doesn't modify the juridical obligations previous to the gender change (including the retirement age).
I don't know... Seems a bit extreme. You're telling me that if a trans woman changed her legal sex early on in her life and married a man and lived all those years as a woman, she doesn't get the same retirement rules as other women? There was no possibility of a more nuanced law here?
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u/AndThenTheUndertaker 1d ago
The real question that they should have addressed is why do they get a different retirement age to begin with? There are certain benefits that make sense but this one doesn't really.
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u/Nojoke183 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah if anything shouldn't men retire earlier since they live shorter lives? And if the thought process is that old antiquated idea that men should work harder because they're men then that makes no sense either since with that mindset they've already contributed more in their time and deserve the earlier retirement. Makes no sense in either mindset.
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u/periphery72271 2d ago
Yes, and?
Sounds like the issue is having gender based retirement requirements to me.
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u/Impressive_Ad_1303 2d ago
Wait? Women tend to live longer but get to retire earlier? That’s the facepalm. What is that all about?!
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u/imcomingelizabeth 2d ago
I believe it’s because Argentine women are expected to be caregivers to their grandchildren before the children are old enough for school. Make them retire from their paying job so their adult children can have paying jobs while they provide free childcare.
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u/gothlenin 2d ago
Yes, same in Brazil. Also women work what we call the "3rd shift", after they get home they clean and care for the children. People in reddit in rich countries may not know how and why, but there are reasons. The Ideia that's a "personal choice" ignores a LOT of social economic and cultural issues. I'm not saying I fully agree, but that's part of the reason.
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u/Impressive_Ad_1303 2d ago
I would argue at least people in the US fully understand this premise but it is so far from what would actually happen. Society here expects women to do the unpaid work, but doesn't in any way, shape, or form value that or even acknowledge it.
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u/fish_emoji 2d ago
A lot of women in wealthy countries understand this perfectly well.
They work the “third shift” at home, they sacrifice their personal preferences so that hubby can keep his position as bread winner, and they bow to social and cultural pressure into single-handedly raising the kids and caring for the elderly, just as Brazilian women do.
You don’t have to mandate it as Argentina and Brazil do - it’ll just happen, because the corporate patriarchy and perceived domestic matriarchy are so engrained into our shared global culture that you oftentimes can’t stop it from happening, even in families which want something entirely different.
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u/fish_emoji 2d ago
This is absolutely it! Men in Argentina (or really anywhere for that matter) tend to earn more, and so whenever there’s a caring responsibility, it always falls on the women.
Plus there’s the whole “caregiving is the woman’s job” thing in most modern cultures, which only pushes women further out of work when caregiving responsibilities mount.
This issue is essentially just the typical plight of the man and plight of the woman combined, with the men being forced to work for as long as possible just so the women can be forced out of work to take on full responsibility for parenting and elderly care.
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u/Specific-Rich5196 2d ago
Bingo. There's a lot of reasons childcare is so expensive in the US. The grandparents either can't or won't be part of the child raising.
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u/NegativeKarmaVegan 2d ago
In most societies women work longer hours when you take into account unpaid labor.
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u/jack-K- 2d ago
What you get when your laws are both progressive and archaic at the same time. Kind of reminds me of the bus drivers who weren’t allowed to wear shorts in harsh summer heat so they wore skirts instead.
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u/IrrelevantManatee 2d ago
That's stupid that he had to go through that to retire early. Men and women should be able to retire at the same age.
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u/Thekingiii_ 2d ago
4d chess right here. Let me research retirement ages in all countries and immediately move to the one that’s lowest
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u/Pavonian 1d ago
And inevitably people are gonna use this as an argument against trans rights instead of an argument against legal gender discrimination
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u/Routine-Budget7356 2d ago
Doesn't women live longer than men? Shouldn't this be the opposite.
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u/entropic_apotheosis 1d ago
Fair. Completely damn fair. Why different retirement ages to begin with?
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u/MOltho 2d ago
Having different retirement ages based on gender is weird. Five years earlier is completely bonkers. But good for her, I guess
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u/ApoloRimbaud 2d ago
Especially because women actually live longer on average.
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u/Amazoncharli 2d ago
Which is a pro and a con in itself. You get more years of retirement but you also have to make your money last longer so need to be more frugal.
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u/Grothgerek 2d ago
It would make sense... If men would retire earlier. In average they live 5 years less. So you could say that they deserve 1 or 2 years more.
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u/aStankChitlin 2d ago
I don’t blame him. The fact that men and women can’t retire at the same age is bull.
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u/Master_John1250 1d ago
Don't see how that's a facepalm. He i mean she is working smarter not harder
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u/-OAKHARDT- 1d ago
Personally I think the retirement age should be the same for both male and female. However, don't women tend to live longer than men? So if anyone should retire younger, surely it should be men?
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u/Traditional-Storm-62 2d ago
if your response to "a man used a legal loophole in minority rights to avoid sexist policy"
is "lets strip minorities of more rights to close the loophole" then I'm sorry but you have failed as a human being
if your response is "maybe men should also get to retire within their lifetime" then you might be on to something
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u/B3ER 2d ago
The dumbest thing about this law is that the sex that lives 5 years longer on average gets to retire 5 years earlier. No country has the guts yet to have women retire later than men in the spirit of that equity they're always on about.
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u/DogePerformance 2d ago
We need him on those old beer commercials, Real Men of Genius
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u/DrBlaBlaBlub 2d ago
If you really differentiate retirement age, shouldn't men get it earlier? Men have lower life expectancy.
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u/JaladOnTheOcean 2d ago
If the retirement age is asymmetrical, then why did they choose to give the gender that lives longer the earlier retirement?
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u/BadInfluenceGuy 2d ago
All the men, should identify as women. Do a census og gender. Make the headlines " Argentina immediately needs males to bolster population of 99.9% females".
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u/Hot_Weakness5946 1d ago
Men die 5 years younger on average and some countries make them work 5 years longer, how sad is that?
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u/darkargengamer 1d ago
For those wondering:
-This history is not "false" but there is an error in it > a man from here (Argentina) tried this same years ago and he was refused from early retirement; this man tried the same and it was accepted due to the "recent" (in the last few years) changes at fiscal and identity law.
Yes, this old law (different age gap) is still active in Argentina even if its unfair for us.
As for why this is still a thing? probably to save money to the government for early retirement > if all man could retire 5 years early right now (which would be fair) it would be a massive blow to ALL the job industry and monetary state of our country (which has been in shambles for years).
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u/TheWeenieBandit 1d ago
I mean hey, if it works, I can't even be mad. It's all about making bigotry ✨work✨ for you
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u/kelseymj97 1d ago
The face palm is how blurry and over screenshotted this is bc this happened in 2018 🤦🏽♀️
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