I believe it’s because Argentine women are expected to be caregivers to their grandchildren before the children are old enough for school. Make them retire from their paying job so their adult children can have paying jobs while they provide free childcare.
Yes, same in Brazil. Also women work what we call the "3rd shift", after they get home they clean and care for the children. People in reddit in rich countries may not know how and why, but there are reasons. The Ideia that's a "personal choice" ignores a LOT of social economic and cultural issues. I'm not saying I fully agree, but that's part of the reason.
I would argue at least people in the US fully understand this premise but it is so far from what would actually happen. Society here expects women to do the unpaid work, but doesn't in any way, shape, or form value that or even acknowledge it.
A lot of women in wealthy countries understand this perfectly well.
They work the “third shift” at home, they sacrifice their personal preferences so that hubby can keep his position as bread winner, and they bow to social and cultural pressure into single-handedly raising the kids and caring for the elderly, just as Brazilian women do.
You don’t have to mandate it as Argentina and Brazil do - it’ll just happen, because the corporate patriarchy and perceived domestic matriarchy are so engrained into our shared global culture that you oftentimes can’t stop it from happening, even in families which want something entirely different.
No, it won’t. Every single one of my aunts and mom was a caretaker for the old people in the family, and every single one of my women cousins is not. Because my women cousins all earn enough money to not need the old people, or a man who will coerce them into taking care of old people.
That's true. I didn't intend to diminish the issues of other places. I just got confused by people saying it's a "Bullshit law" without even trying to understand the cultural and material conditions of the place.
This is absolutely it! Men in Argentina (or really anywhere for that matter) tend to earn more, and so whenever there’s a caring responsibility, it always falls on the women.
Plus there’s the whole “caregiving is the woman’s job” thing in most modern cultures, which only pushes women further out of work when caregiving responsibilities mount.
This issue is essentially just the typical plight of the man and plight of the woman combined, with the men being forced to work for as long as possible just so the women can be forced out of work to take on full responsibility for parenting and elderly care.
No. The solution is to remove the legislative inequality that pushed this man to change his legal gender.
A right to gender self ID is important, and it’s wonderful that it can exist in places like Argentina. It’s not self-ID’s fault that this man saw himself in a position where he felt this necessary - it’s the fault of retirement law, which should have zero interest in gender at all in a truly equal society.
Well of course, the commenter was just pointing out the government likely knows having women work 5 more years would cause higher unemployment because then the parents couldn’t work. They’re not saying it’s ok.
yes and no. the law pretty much exists because of traditional gender roles. some women in the past had to take care of children AND work, so they were allowed to retire earlier. times have changed but the law hasn't, so we're stuck with it. women are not expected to take care of children or elders nowadays.
No, it's the literal reasoning for this law, you can read it yourself instead of calling cap. Our mothers and grandmothers all worked. Argentina's economy and political system made the idea of housewives almost impossible for the vast majority of women. Our mothers and grandmothers worked sometimes more than 10 hours per day, and then they had to come home and take care of their 10 children. Not to mention how common spousal abusive and rape was back then. My mom earned more than my dad and took care of 100% of childcare. You won't see the most conservative men fighting that law because we all saw our moms experience exactly the same. The idea is to compensate those women with 5 years, which is nothing compared to what they sacrificed, and then for women of my generation to retire at par with men.
If your husband bitches about you retiring early after you birthed and raised his many children, cooked for him every day, three times per day, and cleaned after him for 40 years, then he didn't value your sacrifice. Again, even most men agree with the law. The first thing my grandfather said after my grandma retired was "Finally your grandma will be able to watch her evening telenovelas." My grandmother had five children, raised my cousin after my aunt died, worked from 18 to 65, cooked from dawn to dusk, made sure the house was spotless clean every day and most people here can say the same about their grandmas.
I don't understand why a man would bitch about his lifelong partnert who took care of everything while working, retiring five years earlier. If my husband worked and did most things around the house, I would be begging him to retire asap
I agree with you. In my experience, men don’t appreciate sacrifice unless it’s another man sacrificing something.
When I came back from maternity leave, so many men asked how my vacation was. When my partner returned from his paternity leave, his male colleagues had the attitude of “I bet you’re glad to be away from home again!”
Your last paragraph is insanely naive. Men will complain about their wives for working too much or not working at all. For wearing no makeup or for wearing makeup. For going to the gym too much or for letting themselves go. If a woman is within view of a man, he will have something to complain about. His marital vows have nothing to do with that.
Its simple, cause over the countles genration men were like "we do all the hard work, home stuff isnt for us." Over the milenia the man have become perfect for long and hard work, so you can squize 5 years more work out of them. You know those people who like to say " Look at my body im a rela stud!" just remind them of that.
As OP, I 100% agree. I was very surprised by the fact that they would be that forward-thinking. Women in the US do most of the unpaid work and get no acknowledgements; no childcare, no maternity, and certainly never an early retirement. We are just expected to do it and stay quiet.
with the increase of both childless single men and women, shouldn't they be doing the same amount of unpaid work. If a single childless man comes home and chooses to do nothing afterwards and not take care of his parents or relatives why should he suffer because a single childless woman may or may not be taking care of her parents or relatives. It's a draconian law. Men live six years shorter on average, let them have some time to relax before they die.
Highly doubtful. I suspect the exact opposite idea is true. Traditionally, women have been more involved in unpaid domestic work and caregiving, which impacts their ability to contribute to pension systems. The lower retirement age aims to account for these disparities, recognizing the dual roles women often play in the workforce and at home. It's nice they get recognition for giving up their lives. Or do men in Argentina do the majority of unpaid work since they are so concerned with equality?
Even controlling for dumb shit 20 somethings do, war, and other occupational hazards which lower male life expectancies, we still die sooner on average due to things like diet, drug use, stress, and most notably lack of preventive care.
The age old problem, doctors don’t listen to women; and men don’t listen to doctors
A little extra note on the child care. Human females are amongst few animals that have evolved to produce limited reproductive materials (most animals can continue reproducing). This can only be an advantage if they are acting as extra help for raising children (as grandmas).
Human babies are useless compared to other animals. Having an extra pair of helping hands allows for more children to be raised.
Women living longer to help raise their children's children would be an advantage, up until the point where they cannot help.
First is biology. Guys have a larger chromosome and a smaller one, while women have 2 large chromosomes, which results in essentially safer data/DNA storage with more duplicates via more space
Second is that it's often men drafted to fight in wars or doing more demanding labor jobs, like construction, logging, oil mining, or just more dangerous civil jobs, like being police officers or firefighters.
And the last is guys just tend to be more reckless, in the moment, and we can do a lot of stupid shit.
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u/Impressive_Ad_1303 4d ago
Wait? Women tend to live longer but get to retire earlier? That’s the facepalm. What is that all about?!