r/inthenews • u/Advanced_Drink_8536 • May 27 '24
Donald Trump rejected by Libertarians, gets less than 1% of vote article
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejected-libertarians-less-one-percent-vote-presidential-election-1904870335
u/gobledegerkin May 27 '24
My favorite part is that after the Libertarians uproariously booāed him he still had to talk for 20 minutes. I bet he hated every second of it but even he knew he had to stay up there and talk or he would look like a big dumbass.
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u/Baronsandwich May 27 '24
End resultā¦he still looks like a big dumbass. One that wasted a day of campaigning to get effectively zero support.
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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24
Well lucky for the libertarians, the market will decide who wins the presidency.
Almost every libertarian I know is just a republican who has lost their trust in the republican party - and thinks regulation is always bad, yet relies on it for their daily lives.
But what it really boils down to, is they just don't like corruption. And Trump is basically the most corrupt person (if elected)
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u/SocialMediaSucks65 May 27 '24
Usually their types hate regulation.
And they talk about "the invisible hand of the free market" like we don't already have price gouging and shrinkflation.
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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24
I'll always remember this Joe rogan episode with that twat Shapiro - where he talks about being a libertarian, but then goes on to say that "he likes regulations that prevent bars from being built next to his house." (something like that)
So let me get this straight, Ben. You hate regulations so much, but not when they are good regulations you agree with?
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u/DoubleAGee May 27 '24
Yeah Shapiro is a neo con, not a libertarian.
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u/Omegalazarus May 27 '24
That's the problem. So many professed libertarians are not at all. They haven't read anything about it, voted it, follow the platform.
They are just Republicans and I'm not even convinced they are disaffected. I think they just know that saying your Republican, is not a great thing in many circles so they change what they say, but that haven't changed their politics.
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u/Badloss May 27 '24
Libertarians are teenagers that think their parents are idiots and they could totally live independently without any help
They take an insane amount of help for granted while clutching their guns and bragging about how they're going it alone
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u/Grimesy2 May 27 '24
As far as I've ever been able to tell, they're just Republicans who don't want to talk about social issues.
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u/GigHarborIT May 27 '24
Libertarians are just stupid Republicans, companies already run everything, like Libertarians think will work. It's clearly NOT working and it's literally because of the corrupt people trying to remove regulations.
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u/start_select May 27 '24
He was booed for 20 mins. Continuing to talk for 20 more after that also makes him look like a dumbass.
He doesnāt understand actual strategy. Non billionaires who are good strategists realize you lose some battles and should cut your losses. He has no concept of giving up. He thinks his gold parachute protects him from all failures.
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u/Metalloid_Maniac May 27 '24
That kinda sounds like fun
I almost want to go to a libertarian rally to boo him myself
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u/PophamSP May 27 '24
Maybe we should all black out a few teeth, get some skin tight t-shirts to show off our pendulous abs and hit a rally.
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u/IrishPigs May 27 '24
I got outta school in high school to go to a Ron Paul rally. I had no idea WTF was going on but it was really fun chanting "end the fed" with everyone.
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u/red18wrx May 27 '24
ngl, kind of jealous trump got to stand on a stage and insult a crowd of libertarians to their face.
Not going to help him with libertarians, or win my vote either way. But watching the worst people fight each other instead of vulnerable populations is a refreshing change. Hopefully they rot on the bottom together.
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u/TheGreatButz May 27 '24
In the end Trump nailed it, though. Quote: "... don't allow the worst president in the history of our country to come back and do the final destruction of America!"
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u/ic4llshotgun May 27 '24
Looking like a big dumbass has never stopped him before
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u/BagOfFlies May 27 '24
The funniest was in /conservative they were saying that by the end of the speech they were all supporting him and promising that he'd get their vote haha
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u/thegrailarbor May 27 '24
Probably more annoyed that, from his perspective, he had to court a bunch of losers and failures and cowards.
I saw a meme of a girl talking to her therapist about a guy complaining about his āavoidant attachment styleā. The therapist posited that maybe the guy just doesnāt like her. āNo, thatās ridiculous, heās avoidant.ā
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u/CawthornCokeOrgyClub May 27 '24
"Although we share almost no values, vote for ME if you want to WIN!" - are you telling me this amazing sales pitch didn't work?
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u/el_dude_brother2 May 27 '24
Says man who lost last election against same opponent
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u/dinkieeee May 27 '24
And the popular against a very unpopular Hillary
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u/notsafeformactown May 27 '24
Republicans have won ONE popular vote since 1988. ONE.
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u/Uncle-Cake May 27 '24
What he didn't realize is that Libertarians don't actually care about winning.
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u/electron-envy May 27 '24
Got to hand it to them. Their ideology is fuckin weird, but they stand by it.
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u/WaltKerman May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Libertarian is just anti-authoritarian by definition. It's why he was rejected.Ā
Then there is the libertarian platform, which is where you have to draw a line. Libertarians can't agree on this and there is a lot of "no true Scotsman" fallacy going on. So the result is often leaning to the strange far end spectrum.Ā
Ā It's one of the reasons they can't win.
Edit: If you wants to see what I meant by "No True Scotsman" (No True Libertarian could believe....) just look at some of the comments arguing below me here, and how widely they vary.
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u/TetraThiaFulvalene May 27 '24
I'm the true libertarian. Everybody to the left of me is a bootlicking statist, and everybody to the right of me is an irresponsible lunatic.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation May 27 '24
Libertarianism is a dead political ideology that requires everyone e being a rational actor and beliving that negative externalities dont exist.
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u/ClickLow9489 May 27 '24
Free market this free market that acting like monopolys don't happen and don't need regulation.
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u/The_last_of_the_true May 27 '24
I love when libertarianās create government structures and agencies while arguing against government structures and agencies.
Ask a libertarian what happens in libertarian world when someone steals your property or does you wrong in business. How do you address grievances without violence? They end up creating a court system just like what we have now. Lmao.
They do this with just about every problem you propose to them. Libertarianism is a fantasy land political philosophy best left for debates than real life politics. Hell look at Argentina. Theyāre speed-running economic collapse.
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u/Crosco38 May 27 '24
Reminds me of the South Park episode where they all become anarchists and destroy the government. Then when chaos inevitably ensues, they slowly start assigning everyone a job and end up recreating the government.
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u/SubtleDistraction May 27 '24
I was a registered Libertarian for a while, and voted conservative pretty much until Trump made me open my eyes. I'd read about robber barons, and company towns and all the evil businesses get up into, and it slowly dawned on me, oh shit, we're still there.
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u/Bakkster May 27 '24
They're like house cats: convinced of their rugged independence, but utterly dependent on systems they can't understand.
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u/bearsheperd May 27 '24
Yep, thatās it exactly. Thereās a quite a few pro life libertarians which I think is incongruous with the rest of the platform. Party of maximum freedom yet donāt agree on bodily autonomy?
But itās just like democrats and republicans, they donāt have a consistent platform or agree on everything either. AOC & Bernie are very different from Biden & Hilary. Romnie is very different from trump.
Difference is they are members of the two party system. If libertarians became big enough they would overcome the one true Scotsman arguments because itās either them or a āwasted vote on a third partyā
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u/2spicy_4you May 27 '24
Itās not weird itās just fucking stupid. Look up the Libertarian bear town story. These people are mainly just incredibly selfish but when you make a town based off of said beliefs you realize how fucking stupid these people really are
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u/Merengues_1945 May 27 '24
Libertarianism seems to be eternally married to privilege. The people who spouse these ideals almost unequivocally belong to a privileged group that want to enjoy all the benefits of the state for their personal gain, while also abiding by none of its rules.
Turns out, a lot of these people also lack in skills and organization to make things work beyond the most basic. And the lack of cooperation makes for a dysfunctional system.
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u/grendus May 28 '24
Libertarians come in three flavors:
Republicans who like weed.
Privileged people who have no idea the breadth of government services but assume that a private company can provide them for cheaper.
People with... unconventional ideas about age of consent laws. Though frankly, these days that could also just be a Republican politician.
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u/Sophet_Drahas May 27 '24
They didnāt make the town so much as they moved in and co-opted it from the locals. At first residents didnāt care that a few Libertarians had moved in, but once enough did, that they had enough influence to change the laws to deregulate everything including the trash pickupsā¦. Ā Well, you want bears? Because this is how you get bears.Ā
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u/Fit-Ear-9770 May 27 '24
Iāll paraphrase a quote Iāve heard around : libertarians are like house cats. They are fiercely convinced of their independence and superiority, while being totally dependent on a system they donāt appreciate or understand
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u/chum-guzzling-shark May 27 '24
But they dont stand by it. They only stand by it in certain circumstances that just happen to benefit them. Crazy coincidence.
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u/Turqoise-Planet May 27 '24
Didn't he say the same thing about black people, because he was on trial?
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u/Booklet-of-Wisdom May 27 '24
He said if they voted for him, he'd put a Libertarian in his cabinet. Also, he told the big oil executives he'd give them $110 billion dollar tax cuts if they vote for him.
Trump just quid pro quo-ing everywhere...
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u/danimagoo May 27 '24
Promising to put a Libertarian in your Cabinet if they nominate him is one thing. Promising tax cuts in return for a billion dollar campaign donation is another. And that thing has a name, legally. Itās called a bribe. Itās blatantly illegal, and I donāt understand why more people arenāt calling it that.
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u/Shoddy_Background_48 May 27 '24
Cause we already have it, he's just being more blatant about it.
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u/MutantMartian May 27 '24
He told the oil companies if they have him a hundred million dollars, heād give them more tax cuts. Another fun one was a foreign diplomat who came to DC to see his American counterpart was told by Gulliani to give him (Gulliani) money to meet with the American.
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u/Patient-Yogurt1467 May 27 '24
Your forgetting. He asked them for a billion dollar donation first and then promised them a tax cut if they did.
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u/Resident_Rise5915 May 27 '24
His personality is strictly transactionalā¦to his benefit, he gets his upfront and burns everyone else
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u/electron-envy May 27 '24
The irresistible force of trumps bluster finally met it's match on the immovable object that is the contrarianism of sovereign citizens. I love this outcome
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u/restore_democracy May 27 '24
Thereās the selfishness and lack of self-awareness. At least they have that in common.
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u/medman143 May 27 '24
Only the GOP loves rapists.
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u/start_select May 27 '24
Libertarians also love rapists and racists. They just have their own rapists and racists.
Itās not very liberating for a psuedo Christian to need to ask a child for permission to rape them.
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u/MosEisleyBills May 27 '24
Thatās what it feels like to get less than 3% Donald! Must feel good to be owned by the Libs!
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u/nothanksnottelling May 27 '24
As someone who witnessed the devolution of the Libertarian sub into a closet extreme right wing gangbang, this absolutely THRILLS me.
Suck on it, you quasi Nazi losers.
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u/Linux_is_the_answer May 27 '24
Yeah, it gave me some hope.. I watched the full 35 min, was proud he got boo'd hard the entire time
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u/mrSunsFanFather May 27 '24
I don't know how anyone can listen to that jackass for more than five minutes.
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u/moak0 May 27 '24
It's a shame, because it used to be a great place for political discourse. You could have a different opinion and then talk about it. Then that crypto-fascist mod (ATF) ruined it for everyone.
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u/laggyx400 May 27 '24
Yep, I was banned for breaking the rules (the sub says it has essentially none). The message said to appeal, but found I had been blocked from the mods, reached out to him directly and his message was literally TL;DR lol loser reach out again and you'll be banned from Reddit.
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u/OldenPolynice May 27 '24
hypocritical libertarians, no way
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u/moak0 May 27 '24
The person we're talking about is not a libertarian. He also moderates PCM and self-identifies as a fascist.
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u/Philly_ExecChef May 27 '24
Lotta ālol who cares thereās only a dozen libertariansā in here
Libertarians and third party independents are generally very active voters and they represent upwards of 17% of the active electorate.
Thatās over 20 million voters.
Keep pretending this isnāt a BAD day for Trump.
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u/Popular-Row4333 May 27 '24
"We don't hate right wingers, we just hate MAGA asshats"
Libertarians reject Trump overwhelmingly.
"Libertarians are still asshats"
70% or the the comments in here are this and then people wonder why identify politics and pushing wedge issues to divide us are a thing.
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u/DandyLamborgenie May 27 '24
Seriously. Also people forget that everyone is invested in this election. Republicans, Russia, and China all have great incentive to push propaganda against Libertarians, especially the kind that makes Democrats seem to reject Libertarians as peers. As someone thatās never supported a Republican, Iām just offended how yāall think about Libertarians because of a few idiots. Iām not playing both sides shit, but attack politicians and personalities, not voters. Some of yāall have a stereotypical idea of a libertarian in your head, when itās probably your grandmother or aunt that doesnāt even know what youāre talking about. I knew nothing about Libertarians until I took a political test, and now Iām supposed to just automatically be lumped in with everything every libertarian has ever said? Wild.
Like I said, I think itās propaganda. The political test I took was from an angle of ālive and let liveā as my life philosophy is āif youāre not hurting anyone, I donāt careā. Call me a new age hippy, but I think if Libertarianism was more publicized without bias, it would be the most appealing party to Millenials/Gen Z/A. Young people donāt care about politics, and right now itās down to boring old guy and boring racist old guy. If Gen Z and Millenials were aged enough to hold office more consistently, then the whole political landscape would change to match the digital age. One Libertarian TikToker running for president could run circles around both these candidates without a campaign trail, just viral videos with political ideas that would appeal to a whole new audience thatās only ever known red vs blue. Until then, I think thereās an active effort to keep our system a 2 party system, including anti-libertarian rhetoric from democratic mouths. Genius move if you ask me. MAGA and QAnon formed from being ostracized.
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u/ILikeBigBeards May 27 '24
ppl here too young to remember ralph nader screwing over Gore.
3rd party candidates definitely have gotten some voter turnout historically.
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u/revnasty May 27 '24
If they were such an insignificant amount of voters Trump wouldnāt be holding rallies to try and gather their vote.
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u/WIngDingDin May 27 '24
Should have pointed out he doesn't believe age of consent laws then vowed to abolish drivers licenses and make all taxes voluntary.
that's how you get the libertarian vote. /s
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u/Trains_N_Fish May 27 '24
libertarians also have regular discourse on the legality of abolition, he shouldve said he would repeal the 13th amendment
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u/Salt_Proposal_742 May 27 '24
So youāre telling me libertarians are evil.
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u/Malachorn May 27 '24
Libertarian party may not be a huge percentage of the population, but it is still a "Big Tent Party." A massively big tent.
And most libertarians love to tell you they are a "small L" libertarian and not a "Libertarian" that agrees with the Libertarian Party's party lines.
It's a completely dysfunctional mess, for the most part.
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u/WIngDingDin May 27 '24
that's because most libertarians don't want the libertarian party telling them what to do! lol
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u/Trains_N_Fish May 27 '24
A lot of ālibertariansā (maybe even most of them) donāt actually believe in their ālittle to no governmentā ideals. They just donāt like THIS government, but theyād be all for THEIR version of over-encroaching government. You see this with the religious ones like Ron Paul.
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u/Old_Baldi_Locks May 27 '24
I mean, it's literally the party of selfishness. They want all of the benefits of society with none of the rules and none of the taxes.
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u/PestTerrier May 27 '24
Good thing for him there are only 330 people in that party.
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u/PnPaper May 27 '24
Makes it even more wild that he has to come in and court them.
His internal numbers must be horrible.
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u/TheLegendTwoSeven May 27 '24
I think they assumed this would be a layup, and that theyād overwhelmingly back him. Which is exactly what I assumed would happen.
But libertarians tend to be very ideological, so it makes sense that they wonāt go along with him. Also thereās the whole thing about him wanting to dismantle democracy and become a dictator, and I was surprised that libertarians recognized and cared about that.
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u/Pilsner33 May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Democracy is not perfect. It's the best that we have.
Anyone who is truly "moderate" cannot objectively look at the comparison between Trump and Biden and come away with the opinion that Biden is worse or equal to Trump.
Trump is so clearly an extremist and willing to sell anything for personal profit. He literally asked the oil CEOs this month to "just give me $1 Billion dollars" so when (note: not if) he wins, he will remove all oil regulations.
Trump is not a legitimate option. We had a minor Monarchy under his single term (what other President hired all of their children??).
The Libertarian Chair also disqualified him because he failed to fill out paperwork required. RFK did the paperwork. It's just exhibit 9,534 that Trump gives zero fucks about actual Democracy. He doesn't think the rules apply to him. He doesn't want an election. He wants an insurrection and "absolute power and immunity". The fact that the SCOTUS is even entertaining his delusions is dangerous to every single person on Planet Earth. The position of President is extremely influential and powerful to life (human and the natural ecosystem).
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u/-Dartz- May 27 '24
The fact that the SCOTUS
Just more evidence that you really absolutely cannot rely on uncontrolled institutions.
Scotus is corrupt, cops are corrupt, politicians are corrupt, when will people finally grow the balls to actually decide the limitations of these institutions themselves, instead of relying on "representatives", whose elections always just boil down to the lesser evil.
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u/karmavorous May 27 '24
Which makes is so much scarier that we are about to get a decision from SCOTUS that Presidents are unaccountable to laws.
I am so tired of this Conservative fantasy that the only way to enforce the law is to constantly break the law. This is the argument SCOTUS is pondering. And they don't want to make it official while Biden is still in office. They want to declare Trump unaccountable on Day 1 (coincidentally the day he says he wants to be dictator) and not a day sooner.
The whole idea that if the president can't break the law, he can't enforce the law, is a fucking rightwing fantasy instilled in them by their diseased culture of cop shows and Jack Ryan franchise. Its not something that was accepted as fact prior to the 1990s. Part of conservatism used to be that nobody is above the law, even president. And I bet there's soundbites of a lot of Republicans saying that when Bill Clinton was getting impeached and disbarred for lying about a blowjob.
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u/OakAstronaut May 27 '24
It's sobering to see anyone on that side not fall in line with the whole emperor has no clothes lunacy maga lives off of.
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u/Flat_Suggestion7545 May 27 '24
Why would you assume that Libertarians would back him?
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u/whoinvitedthesepeopl May 27 '24
This was a huge tell that things don't look good. This also got lots of media play of him being an a** to the right wing fringe of politics.
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u/Philly_ExecChef May 27 '24
Ask yourself why he was there at ALL.
Fox and Newsmax polls arenāt telling much of a true story these days. Heās desperate to pick up middle votes.
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u/chryco77 May 27 '24
He is trying. Heās not a good āpoliticianā. A good politician could wipe the floor with this lot.
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u/Philly_ExecChef May 27 '24
Heās not a good anything. Letās just settle that score before this moves any further along.
Failed marriages. Failed businesses. Ranked as the worst President in modern history. Heās a fascist authoritarian quasi-billionaire masquerading as a populist who exploits real American fears to grift a third of the populace for his own gain.
Heās done nothing of merit for the nation. Nothing.
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u/2spicy_4you May 27 '24
My mom is a staunch Republican. Voted Trump twice, that was before Jan 6. Said sheād never vote for him again. Couple that with Covid killing Republicans and this new generation of votersā¦as long as we turn out, this fuck face has no chance
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u/ValuableJumpy8208 May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Letās hope there are enough people like your mom in the handful of congressional districts that will actually swing the election.
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u/Forsworn91 May 27 '24
Even then, to be rejected by that many people is not a good look to the future.
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u/Time-Ad-3625 May 27 '24
If you took it as a sample size of libertarians he garnered 3.3 votes. Not a good polling outcome at all.
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u/realMartianJesus May 27 '24
There's 750k registered for comparison there's about 33 million registered Republicans. Now think how off the Republican number is and then realize libertarians inherently don't like to register for anything... there's enough to swing an election.
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u/restore_democracy May 27 '24
āChase Oliver, a Georgia Senate election candidate in 2022 and sales account executive, won the Libertarian nomination after seven rounds of voting with over 60 percent of the vote after the last standing candidate was knocked out.ā
This being the Libertarian Party convention, should we be taking that literally?
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u/Malachorn May 27 '24
...I actually like what is effectively the libertarian motto, if it isn't just "don't tread on me:"
The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins
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u/DrBabbyFart May 27 '24
Yeah on paper Libertarians sound pretty good, but then in practice many will gladly make exceptions if they don't believe someone's nose was in the way, or if the price is right.
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u/SelectionNo3078 May 27 '24
This is going to be a fascinating election
Already depressing and a bad omen for things ever improving.
But fascinating
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u/coldliketherockies May 27 '24
I really donāt want him to win but in a sadly poetic way we do get what we deserve. If we live in a country where 70+ million of our fellow citizens both and want and canāt be persuaded away from a twice impeached, consistently lying, up for multiple criminal cases included rape charges, hush money, stealing government secrets, colluding with Russia etc then maybe this country has to āfailā. I get why a few million may fall into this but over 40% or over 70 million just means the problem isnāt just Trump but the citizens who donāt understand their own interests in a free country
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u/SelectionNo3078 May 27 '24
30 years of fox propaganda
A period that has also seen previously unthinkable cultural changes and widening economic inequality
And on top of that the vast majority know nothing about politics history or the economy
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u/willywonka1971 May 27 '24
Don't worry, I hear in the future we will be sent a savior named Not Sure.
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u/thomolithic May 27 '24
How is that goon seriously polling ahead of Biden on anything at all?
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u/oldcreaker May 27 '24
Note to libertarians: allow Trump to be elected and he will do whatever he can to trash your party and its supporters. He will have a grudge now and he never drops them.
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u/CuthbertJTwillie May 27 '24
It was rigged. Unfair!
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u/kevinryanmicheals May 27 '24
Where are the emails?! NO FAIR!!! š«Traitor Trumpš«All Republicansš«
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u/BiggsIDarklighter May 27 '24
Poopy pants shits his pants again
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u/Carribean-Diver May 27 '24
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u/Tensionheadache11 May 27 '24
To be fair - someone also wrote in Joe Montana and Courtney Love and the each got less than 1% as well.
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u/Jeb-Kerman May 27 '24
guess I am out of the loop but why is he running for libertarian party when he is already the chosen pick for republicans party??
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u/OnceAYearPotatoes May 27 '24
Libertarians have some beliefs in common with Republicans, and tend to lean Conservative. Trump was trying to convince them to unite behind him instead of a separate candidate with no real mathematical chance of winning the election.
But to do that effectively, Trump should have appealed to them with policy. Libertarians pride themselves on their political knowledge, especially the group Trump spoke to, who are responsible for choosing the partyās candidate.
But Trump treated it like a Republican rally, where the audience already loves him and cheers for anything he says. Instead the Libertarians booed him. So he did not unite them and they are likely to vote for their own candidate in November. So he loses out on ~3% of the popular vote.
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u/Orlando1701 May 27 '24
As a recovering Libertarian myself this makes me so happy. Maybe the party has evolved beyond Republicans who like weed and weirdos who know a strangely specific amount of detail on age of consent laws.
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u/Own-Resource221 May 27 '24
The stolen election was in 1998, jeb bush helped his brother win Floridaā¦.
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u/Lingering_Dorkness May 27 '24
"The reason I didn't file paperwork for the Libertarian Nomination, which I would have absolutely gotten if I wanted it (as everyone could tell by the enthusiasm of the Crowd last night!), was the fact that, as the Republican Nominee, I am not allowed to have the Nomination of another Party."
This is the equivalent of "I have a really hot girlfriend but you wouldn't know her cause she goes to a different school."
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u/blackcatsneakattack May 27 '24
Itās better when you say the actual number of votes he got.
It was six.
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u/Pappy_OPoyle May 27 '24
This is how the rest of the country that isn't in the cult is going to treat him at election time. Hate to break it to the network news, who wants to treat this like a normal election, his cult only makes up about 20% or less of all voters.
What you're seeing here is what happens when trump leaves his little curated bubble of fake reality where he's treated like god. Reality is that people fucking hate him despite the news lying to you that he's neck and neck w/ Biden in the presidential race. Common sense says there is no way that is realistically or mathematically possible - the corp news can fuck off
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u/Attack-Cat- May 27 '24
Donāt be fooled. These libertarians will vote for him in general election. They just donāt want to outright blend their party with the GOP. Which why would they?
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u/Existing-East3345 May 27 '24
Donāt let all these articles saying Trump has few supporters from X make you think you donāt need to vote. Donāt give him any chance.
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u/Fragrant_Spray May 27 '24
Trump has been pretty up front about his willingness to use government power to go after people he politically disagrees with. I donāt know why any libertarian would trust him.
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u/Jumpy-Highway-4873 May 27 '24
Must have been rigged š¤·āāļøš