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Donald Trump rejected by Libertarians, gets less than 1% of vote article

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rejected-libertarians-less-one-percent-vote-presidential-election-1904870
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u/gobledegerkin May 27 '24

My favorite part is that after the Libertarians uproariously boo’ed him he still had to talk for 20 minutes. I bet he hated every second of it but even he knew he had to stay up there and talk or he would look like a big dumbass.

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u/Baronsandwich May 27 '24

End result…he still looks like a big dumbass. One that wasted a day of campaigning to get effectively zero support.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

Well lucky for the libertarians, the market will decide who wins the presidency.

Almost every libertarian I know is just a republican who has lost their trust in the republican party - and thinks regulation is always bad, yet relies on it for their daily lives.

But what it really boils down to, is they just don't like corruption. And Trump is basically the most corrupt person (if elected)

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u/SocialMediaSucks65 May 27 '24

Usually their types hate regulation.

And they talk about "the invisible hand of the free market" like we don't already have price gouging and shrinkflation.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

I'll always remember this Joe rogan episode with that twat Shapiro - where he talks about being a libertarian, but then goes on to say that "he likes regulations that prevent bars from being built next to his house." (something like that)

So let me get this straight, Ben. You hate regulations so much, but not when they are good regulations you agree with?

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u/DoubleAGee May 27 '24

Yeah Shapiro is a neo con, not a libertarian.

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u/Omegalazarus May 27 '24

That's the problem. So many professed libertarians are not at all. They haven't read anything about it, voted it, follow the platform.

They are just Republicans and I'm not even convinced they are disaffected. I think they just know that saying your Republican, is not a great thing in many circles so they change what they say, but that haven't changed their politics.

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u/ShortestBullsprig May 27 '24

I mean libertarian classical liberal is a pretty large umbrella.

And like anything, you do t have to check all the boxes, you do t need purity tests, that's how we get the GOP.

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u/sonnetofdoom May 27 '24

From what I've noticed, there Republicans who smoke pot.

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u/ClickLow9489 May 27 '24

Monopolys. They have no solution to monopolys

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u/wh4tth3huh May 27 '24

"I'll be that." Is their solution.

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u/Proper_Career_6771 May 27 '24

And they talk about "the invisible hand of the free market" like we don't already have price gouging and shrinkflation.

It seems they skipped the part where the same author discusses rent seeking behavior and how capitalism exploits people to its own destruction.

“As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.”

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u/Xatsman May 27 '24

they talk about "the invisible hand of the free market"

Then they should actually read what Adam Smith advocated since he was very much in favor of regulation to prevent wealth from warping markets. Government intervention was regarded as a necessity, not a travesty.

So give libertarians credit for seeing Trump as a scam artist, but their ideology is still absurd nonsense.

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

Free market just requires competition. Price gouging and shrinkflation would happen in the free market. If the consumers are upset enough about it, they’d switch to different products. That’s the point of the free market.

I don’t understand how you think this is proof of a non-free market.

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u/Bigfops May 27 '24

I worked for a non-profit that enabled meetings and conventions for a single industry. (Deliberately being vague here.) as part of that they had an online forum and they said “the number one thing we have to police there is price-fixing. You sit two of these companies in the same room, they’re gonna start price-fixing.” Is that the free market you speak of?

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

that’s illegal. That why we have laws against it.

Every response here is pointless.

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u/Bigfops May 27 '24

So… things like regulations?

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

Yep. Free market with regulations. That’s the point.

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u/Bigfops May 27 '24

Ah, my bad, I thought you were one of the zero regulation people.

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u/RatofDeath May 27 '24

In a free market it wouldn't be illegal. That's the whole point. Some regulations are good.

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

There’s no such thing as a pure free market. No country has this.

Like everything in life, it’s all a sliding scale. Even Adam Smith’s definition included “little to no” government intervention.

The debate is really how much regulation is needed, not a complete absence of regulation.

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u/SocialMediaSucks65 May 27 '24

Lmao this kiddo must be a real winner IRL with his attitude

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u/SocialMediaSucks65 May 27 '24

Hmmmm, you're pretty naïve to think corpos are going to act civilly and not in bad faith.

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

It’s almost as if you’ve never taken an economics course…

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u/SocialMediaSucks65 May 27 '24

So where's the different products in this free market? There's products of every kind but why are corpos price gouging and shrinkflating?

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u/DangerouslyHarmless May 27 '24

devil's advocate: things fluctuate. sometimes the equilibium optimal price to sell things at in order to make the most money gets lower (better to sell 200 units at $2 each than to sell 10 units at $5), and consumers love it when that happens. sometimes the equilibrium optimal price rises, and the most profitable thing to do is increase prices and/or decrease the amount of product in each container (skrinkflation) and consumers hate that, but the companies aren't being more greedy than the default when that happens - they're always maximally greedy.

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

And?

Are we going to start a list of everything needed for a modern free market or are you trying to make a point?

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u/trowawufei May 27 '24

I mean, you’re ignoring oligopolies, and competitive moats/barriers to entry. You’re talking about a perfectly competitive market, which rarely if ever can exist no matter the regulatory environment at play.

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u/Piddily1 May 27 '24

The governments job is to ensure a competitive market. That’s where regulations come in to support the market. Why do you presume to know what I’m ignoring?

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u/edgmnt_net May 27 '24

You know we can easily turn that around and ask how much money the government spends and how much it interferes with the economy. I mean the whole "flation" thing is possible due to a grossly-manipulated and legally-enforced currency. How much more regulation do you think is needed before we conclude arbitrary debasement ain't gonna work well?

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u/SocialMediaSucks65 May 27 '24

In my case, my country isn't doing shit about the price gouging and shrinkflation. Loblaw's, with its out-of-touch business practices, has been ripping off Canadians. Moreso than other companies. See where the invisible hand of the free market gets you, it gets you a poorer middle and low class.

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u/edgmnt_net May 27 '24

There really isn't much that can be done at the moment when prices go up. Limit prices by law and availability/quality will decline.

What they can do instead is allow people to trade and store value in a currency that isn't prone to inflation, make it easier for businesses to enter the market to avoid monopolies that could gouge prices, or avoid adding hidden costs to the economy by imposing conditions which may or may not make sense. But that takes time and restraint, to grow the economy to a point where it's resilient. It's much easier to hand out money and rules, left and right, when people ask for it.

Outdated business practices can be wiped out effectively by competition, but it turns out giants have an unnatural advantage when it comes to navigating the whole legal mess.

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u/edgmnt_net May 28 '24

Bitcoin isn't really stable, but gold could be seen as stable. If you buy gold today and hold it for 20 years, chances are it'll preserve its value better and more reliably than the dollar. The dollar fluctuates wildly against gold (or the other way around) and most goods are pegged against the dollar for legal reasons. It's not like you have a choice to make a valid comparison. I bet that if you remove the whole array of legal protections from the dollar it won't take long to sink on an open market.

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u/edgmnt_net May 28 '24

Sure, but such use is mainly supported by the mandatory use of the dollar inside the US, because the US has the largest economy. (And it's definitely not a coincidence between that and the US having been more liberal than Europe throughout its history.)

In fact, the US dollar was in competition with gold not so long ago. FDR chose to practically seize gold to prevent the dollar from collapsing. See Executive Order 6102.

The use of the dollar inside the US is definitely not a choice, nor a simple standard upheld by favorable circumstances. The rest just piggybacks on that and few places/people actually use the dollar as a store of value, except against much worse local currencies.

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u/Badloss May 27 '24

Libertarians are teenagers that think their parents are idiots and they could totally live independently without any help

They take an insane amount of help for granted while clutching their guns and bragging about how they're going it alone

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u/Grimesy2 May 27 '24

As far as I've ever been able to tell, they're just Republicans who don't want to talk about social issues.

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u/GigHarborIT May 27 '24

Libertarians are just stupid Republicans, companies already run everything, like Libertarians think will work. It's clearly NOT working and it's literally because of the corrupt people trying to remove regulations.

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u/schrodingers_bra May 27 '24

They're just republicans who want to legalize drugs. That "you can do anything you want in private"/less government regulation philosophy never seems to extend to being LGBT+ or abortion.

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u/No-Foundation7465 May 27 '24

To be fair, the ones who lost their trust in the party are the best republicans. It’s at least a step in a better direction than wherever trumps trying to go

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u/ElasticLama May 27 '24

What if the market prices both candidates at $0? I assume it’s still a fair price?

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

One gives you painful ass cancer. Is it really free?

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u/ElasticLama May 27 '24

Free as in none wants to pay for it

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u/ChaChaChamberlain May 27 '24

There’s a lot of republican J.V. team libertarians for sure, but a lot of us aren’t like that.

We want two things from a president:

Stop regulating on what I can do (with my body, with my life, with my partner)

Smaller government (why in gods name is the US gov the largest employer in the US, stop spending my tax dollars to fund stupid wars for your stupid military industrial complex)

Neither candidate wants that, so I hate them both.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

but a lot of us aren’t like that.

we want

When you say "we want", do you represent .... libertarians, or people that you want to identify as libertarians - despite their beliefs not actually being really libertarian?

You sound like a conservative republican with either of those two points you brought up....

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u/ChaChaChamberlain May 27 '24

The GOP has had a sharp decline towards populism. I do not like the conservative party. I consider myself a libertarian.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

I love how my original comment is so spot on that we are here and you said that.

you are in for a shocker if you actually look at what "real" libertarian values are.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLibertarians/comments/146t6s7/what_kind_of_regulations_would_libertarians/

Enjoy your regulation-free paradise, friend.

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u/ChaChaChamberlain May 27 '24

You are failing to see the difference between anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism.

It’s ok though, you really pwn’d me 🥺

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

Uhh okay buddy.

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u/James_brokanon May 27 '24

Literally this, republicans would have an easy win if they just didn't have trump running,

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u/rileyjw90 May 27 '24

I think everyone except MAGA hates corruption. This isn’t unique to libertarians. At this point in the country, anyone who hates MAGA and hates Trump is somewhere on the democrat spectrum. I can’t believe I’m saying it but I miss the days when republicans were mostly like Mitt Romney and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

You misunderstand my point about corruption.

Libertarians think they hate regulation - when in fact, they just hate when there are corrupt regulations.

There are obvious outliers, like some believe building regulations should be abolished because "they live in the house so it doesn't affect anyone else". Ignoring how that can actually affect people now and in the future.

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u/technoexplorer May 27 '24

Well, they nominated an Obama supporter... so there's that

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u/jbokwxguy May 27 '24

As a person who is libertarian here’s my core beliefs:

1) You should be able to do anything you want in private. And you have the right to until it negatively affects others.

2) Most government regulation is bad and poorly thought out and the federal government agencies have too much red tape to operate efficiently. And stifle free market competition that would be better for consumers.

3) The government spends taxes inefficiently.

4) A strong military is necessary.

5) People safety around food and drugs is needed. So is regulations around Monopolies.

6) the federal works program was the best federal program and we should bring back a similar project now.

7) Any existing government benefit should be continued to be fully funded because it’s wrong to take that away. Roads, parks, schools, etc.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

I mean I am not a libertarian and I agree with basically all of those. But is that really a libertarian?

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u/jbokwxguy May 27 '24

Really I think it’s a hybrid of classical republican and modern libertarianism.

The social issues make it fall more towards the libertarianism side.

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u/No_Translator2218 May 27 '24

Yea but that ain't libertarianism, by definition. Call it a hybrid if you must.

Imagine if you said that you're a republican but also support open borders, gun control, abortion, healthcare for all, separation of church and state, racism is bad, gay marriage is fine, FTM in your bathroom.

You ain't a republican bruh.

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u/jbokwxguy May 27 '24

I don’t support gun control. Most abortions. Open borders. Bathrooms should be assigned by genetailla.

Every republican I’ve talked to say racism is bad and gay marriage is ok.

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u/Flare-Crow May 27 '24

And then they vote for the racists and homophobes anyway. They SAY a lot of things, but they just vote for anyone with an R next to the name.

Good luck checking every person's genitals near those bathrooms; THAT sure isn't a violation of someone's rights, noooo..../s

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u/ElasticLama May 27 '24

I mostly agree with those points. But what about areas of the economy where the market can’t provide an efficient solution or service like healthcare? (I’m asking as non American who has pretty good healthcare coverage after being made redundant)

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u/jbokwxguy May 27 '24

I think the free market can provide sufficient solutions.

However I do think it deserves a change in regulations.

Insurance cannot negotiate private rates and hospitals must provide the same service at the same rates regardless of payment, outstanding any extended payment plans.

Insurance cannot deny medical services if a doctor acting inside of oath recommends service. They can request a second opinion.

Remove in network and out of network concepts from insurance.

Implement caps for profit margins on physical goods. IE you can’t charge $500 for a bandaid on something that costs $20.

Make drugs mandatory licensed. So non-name brand options are available. The license amount decreases with time.

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u/ElasticLama May 27 '24

Would insurance be tied to employment? Here in Australia you pay 2% Medicare levy but there is a private system setup that just sucks money away from the public system (they federal govt introduced rebates if you take out private insurance)

FYI don’t disagree the US federal govt is clearly mismanaged but I just don’t see the private sector (but I guess what those sectors are are always up for debate)

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u/jbokwxguy May 27 '24

I think your still want to allow employers to offer health insurance. As for those when they are unemployed

That’s where unemployment would kick in and help with and then also a federal works program for those longer termed unemployed people.

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u/Flare-Crow May 27 '24

I think the free market can provide sufficient solutions.

If you're born in a wheelchair, the Free Market isn't providing anything for you. You're pretty well fucked if outside forces don't FORCE them to treat your quality of life as a necessity, rather than a "You" problem that you never got to choose.

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u/gatornatortater May 28 '24

Well... a typical libertarian is either going to vote for a third party candidate, not vote or vote for Trump as a vote against Biden. Its not like there are any other options for a libertarian. They're not going to vote for a neocon pretending to be a communist.

But I agree. He should have ignored us like he did before. But it isn't going to make a difference.

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u/These_Artist_5044 May 27 '24

His base will love it. He went into a hornets nest and survived. They will think he's baddass and nothing will change.

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u/Bluewaffleamigo May 27 '24

Not campaigning will win him this election.

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u/jordanreiter May 27 '24

Are you kidding? He has the GOP nomination already. For sure this was some sort of strategy with his MAGA base. Trump loves to present himself as an aggrieved underdog. 

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u/Last-Performance-435 May 27 '24

End result is an entire news cycle of his name in the headlines...

That was the only intention here. Stop eating the yummy bait.

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u/Baronsandwich May 27 '24

How? Stop scrolling Reddit? You’re here too I see. Are you also eating the “yummy bait”?

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u/start_select May 27 '24

He was booed for 20 mins. Continuing to talk for 20 more after that also makes him look like a dumbass.

He doesn’t understand actual strategy. Non billionaires who are good strategists realize you lose some battles and should cut your losses. He has no concept of giving up. He thinks his gold parachute protects him from all failures.

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u/Metalloid_Maniac May 27 '24

That kinda sounds like fun

I almost want to go to a libertarian rally to boo him myself

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u/PophamSP May 27 '24

Maybe we should all black out a few teeth, get some skin tight t-shirts to show off our pendulous abs and hit a rally.

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u/IrishPigs May 27 '24

I got outta school in high school to go to a Ron Paul rally. I had no idea WTF was going on but it was really fun chanting "end the fed" with everyone.

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u/red18wrx May 27 '24

ngl, kind of jealous trump got to stand on a stage and insult a crowd of libertarians to their face.

Not going to help him with libertarians, or win my vote either way. But watching the worst people fight each other instead of vulnerable populations is a refreshing change. Hopefully they rot on the bottom together.

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u/jazir5 May 27 '24

You missed your chance, he'll never step foot in a libertarian venue again.

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u/HornedDiggitoe May 27 '24

The orange clown is too desperate to cut his losses. It is very likely that he will be going to prison and his only way out is to win the presidency. And his odds of winning are only getting worse as time goes on.

Rational people are not likely to vote for him, so he desperately needs to court all of the crazies to vote for him. He thought the libertarians would be easy marks to take advantage of, but he was sorely mistaken. Despite that, he still desperately needs their votes, so he didn’t cut his losses.

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u/flactulantmonkey May 27 '24

Watch “the family”. The fact that he just keeps going makes a lot of the most powerful people even more convinced he’s literally gods tool.

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u/Individual_1ne May 27 '24

Can you blame him tho? Looking from the outside, it does look like he gets away with everything.

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u/HorseOdd5102 May 27 '24

It looks like it because he has. Literally.

The man tried to overthrow the government as we all watched on live TV and he’s not rotting in jail, he’s actually running for president again, and our system is allowing it.

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u/Zauberer-IMDB May 27 '24

He stays in the news cycle, his base digs in deeper feeling persecuted, he increases support. If there's one thing he does know it's how to win an election. Underestimate him and laugh at this like it shows he will lose and I guarantee you he'll win. Every single person who can better be voting against him.

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u/hendrysbeach May 27 '24

Trump knows how to win an election? Really?

How do you explain 2020?

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u/Zauberer-IMDB May 28 '24

He had more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016 and he won. Democrats, once again, will need to mobilize like our lives depend on it to win. Anyone not taking him seriously is a fool. He can very definitely win this election in November.

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u/jimmyhaffaren May 28 '24

Doesn't he kinda have to STAY up there til the end though? I can only draw parallels to concerts where bands who were not popular in insert city/country here but still got booked anyways got 10x more hate because they left the stage due to getting booed/things throw at em. Geniune question btw!

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u/TheGreatButz May 27 '24

In the end Trump nailed it, though. Quote: "... don't allow the worst president in the history of our country to come back and do the final destruction of America!"

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u/Popular-Influence-11 May 27 '24

Hey, I’m not one to mistake the person for the claim. That’s the most important reason for every American to vote.

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u/ic4llshotgun May 27 '24

Looking like a big dumbass has never stopped him before

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u/TattooOfBlood May 27 '24

Big dumbass little "d"

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u/BagOfFlies May 27 '24

The funniest was in /conservative they were saying that by the end of the speech they were all supporting him and promising that he'd get their vote haha

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u/HorseOdd5102 May 27 '24

Those people are fucking lost

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u/thegrailarbor May 27 '24

Probably more annoyed that, from his perspective, he had to court a bunch of losers and failures and cowards.

I saw a meme of a girl talking to her therapist about a guy complaining about his ‘avoidant attachment style’. The therapist posited that maybe the guy just doesn’t like her. “No, that’s ridiculous, he’s avoidant.”

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u/HorseOdd5102 May 27 '24

“Wow! What a great reception, thank you! Thank you for your support! Amazing, just amazing.”

Can barely be hard through the booing.

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u/MohatmoGandy May 27 '24

The reports I saw said that his speech was quite a bit shorter than usual because he rushed through it, talking about twice as far as he usually does.

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u/Shirtbro May 27 '24

They beat his narcissism to a pulp

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u/Neither-Cup564 May 27 '24

Could have tried to sell his sneakers for that 20 mins.

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u/NoWayNotThisAgain May 27 '24

Didn’t work. He looked like a big dumbass

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u/baron_von_helmut May 27 '24

The red was showing through his orange.

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u/dj_vicious May 27 '24

Uproariously is a beautiful word!

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u/DeepUser-5242 May 27 '24

You know some people get paid to give speeches? I wonder if money played a role.

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u/Dynamically_static May 27 '24

 “If you’re not sure, here’s what we believe. Donald Trump, as former president of the United States of America was framed for treason by his own deep state. And those people belong in jail.” 

This was to thunderous applause and cheers.   

You’re lying. We have video.

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u/Emotional-Court2222 May 28 '24

You didn’t watch it.  He got booed and got cheers.  Unlike yourself, us libertarians are principled.  We critique ideas.

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u/gobledegerkin May 28 '24

There were Trump supporters in the crowd wearing MAGA gear. Those are the people who cheered him. “Unlike you” lol, sure!

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u/Emotional-Court2222 May 28 '24

You’re delusional.  Go listen to the speech. He clearly mentions some pro liberty things which he gets cheers for.  Sometimes they laugh at him

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u/SeekSeekScan May 27 '24

Yeah we don't want presidential candidates address people that don't like them

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u/gobledegerkin May 27 '24

Is that what I said? I’m pretty sure all i did was speculate about how he was feeling while he finished his speech. He addresses people that don’t like him all the time. He invents nicknames, calls them horrible things, and is generally disrespectful and rude. Lot of class in that Trump coupled with very few decent policies

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u/SeekSeekScan May 27 '24

If only Biden had the balls to get in front of a hostile crowd

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u/gobledegerkin May 27 '24

What exactly would that do? What is the point of him making a speech to a hostile crowd?

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u/SeekSeekScan May 27 '24

Why would a presidential candidate want to talk to people who aren't his fans?

My God shit has gotten so bad you can't even see the benefit of reaching out

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u/gobledegerkin May 27 '24

What is the benefit to this? Trump looked like a complete fool. Biden would have as well.

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u/SeekSeekScan May 28 '24

Get your hands on the whole video, he also got some cheers.

I personally respect any candidate willing to go into the lions deb and speak to those who don't already live them

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u/The_Texidian May 27 '24

And they also cheered “we want trump”. But we don’t see that clip plastered all over Reddit nor do we see that in the headlines of news articles.

If you want to see an MSM article that mentions it, you have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the article where they say 1 sentence about it.

I don’t see what the point is of this article anyway. Trump wasn’t an option for libertarians, people could write-in his name if they wanted him to be the libertarian nominee. But Trump couldn’t even become the nominee for the libertarian party since he’s the republican one. So what’s the point?

This headline is about as newsworthy as:

“Trump gets less than 1% of the Democrat vote to be the Democrat Party’s nominee in 2024”

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u/gobledegerkin May 27 '24

There were Trump supporters at the event. Those are the ones cheering for Trump.

The point of these articles is to get clicks and reads for the site’s ad revenue. It is also somewhat to show that Trump does not have the support people think he does. Much like Biden doesn’t have the support he wishes he had. But ultimately its about the ad revenue.