r/XboxSeriesX Nov 20 '23

Starfield is still being worked on by 250 Bethesda devs Discussion

https://www.pcgamesn.com/starfield/bethesda-team
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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23

User reviews aren’t worth the bandwidth you use reading them.

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u/sittingmongoose Founder Nov 20 '23

Even people in the starfield sub are pretty mixed on it. Nearly every comment is, I liked it at first but now I’m bored. And that’s a sub dedicated to it.

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u/CakeAK Nov 20 '23

To be fair, pretty much every sub hates the thing that they're there for.

I do think Starfield delivered just short of the hype, but he's not entirely wrong about user critics.

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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23

I'm not saying "everyone loves it."

I'm just saying that in general, user reviews are very unreliable.

People give games 1/10 all the time just to bring the score down.

When was the last time you played a game that was legitimately a 1/10?

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u/sittingmongoose Founder Nov 20 '23

That I don’t disagree with. But I do think it’s accurate to say reviews are very mixed on Starfield. It’s certainly not a 1, I don’t think many games are even below a 4…that being said starfield is probably a solid 7.

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u/BadgerMyBadger_ Nov 20 '23

Well 5 and 6 is bang on average, so there will be plenty of 4s, and 3s, but 2s and 1s are a lot rarer.

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u/ksj Nov 21 '23

Yeah, but very few people are actually playing those games. I know I’m not. A game that is average out of the subset of games that I play is still probably in the 90th percentile of all games ever made. It’s probably inaccurate to say “I don’t think many games are even below a 4” (hard to say what the bell curve on this would look like) but it’s probably accurate to say “the vast majority of people aren't playing games below a 4.” It could even be accurate to say that the vast majority of people have never played a game below a 4.

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u/GoodApplication Nov 20 '23

It sounds like you simply don’t know how to sift through reviews to get an accurate representation of a game?

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '23

The starfield sub, haha. Come on mate.

Its rife with fucking losers who spend their time stalking the sub of a game they claim to hate.

It was flooded in the 2 weeks prior to launch, numbers flew up sharply. Probably just full of angry PS kids and MS haters.

Much of the negativity, especially shortly after launch was from people who hadn't even played the game.

Its fucking bonkers. People have watched streamers, then written full on review posts.

The problem with Starfield is not that it isn't a great game.

The problem with Starfield is many people assumed they would love it, purely because of the hype.

So they didn't actually manage expectations for anything about the actual reality of the game.

It was clearly going to be like all the other Bethesda games, but in space with a spaceship and lots of planets. Which for some people, is amazing. For some not so much. Fine, fuck off move on.

It was fucking obvious they hadn't reinvented the wheel for anyone who watched any of the gameplay videos.

So many fucking morons now in the gaming "world", i miss the days when it was niche and not every fucking pleb with a smartphone had a 2 page opinion for a game they played for 2 hours, acting like it was life or death.

Starfield sub is absolutely chock full of them.

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u/ArkhamCitizen298 Nov 20 '23

reviews aren't worth if you already bought the game lol

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u/S1egwardZwiebelbrudi Nov 20 '23

not true, especially with games like starfield, were people tried to force themselves to enjoy it, and then you get a one star review after 100+ hours...thats as close as you can get to the truth

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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23

A 1/10 review score isn't close to the truth on almost any game.

C'mon now, you're just proving my point of how useless they are.

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u/SnooMachines8480 Dec 26 '23

I'm sorry, if you play a game, any game, for a 100+ hours and rate it a 1/10, what's wrong with you?

Like the game was good enough for you to pour a 100 hours in? Were you sitting there going, AH SHOOT I HATE THIS GAME IT SUCKS LET ME JUST KEEP PLAYING IT for 90 hours straight?

Like be real, if you spend even 25 hours on a game it definitely means its at least a decent game. At least a 5/10 regardless. A 1/10 would mean the game is so bad it's unplayable to you.

I see some people saying "Oh I got bored 50 hours in, so the game sucks" and I'm so confused was the expectation that you get 1000 hours without getting bored? The vast majority of players aren't pouring thousands of hours into these games? The average amount of hours a skyrim player has across its player base is 75.

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u/S1egwardZwiebelbrudi Dec 26 '23

i'm sorry, but are you like the ghost of christmas past? why would you come to a post thats over a month old and regurgitate arguments that have been discussed a thousand times, since then? how did you even end up here? do you think i want to discuss this with you? nobody else will read this.

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u/SnooMachines8480 Dec 26 '23

Regurgitated arguments? I don't see any. I brought it up because I haven't seen anyone else say it.

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u/FightersNeverQuit Nov 22 '23

Anyone who can play that game and says it’s a 1/10 isn’t someone who should be taken seriously.

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u/S1egwardZwiebelbrudi Nov 22 '23

tbf people are emotional because they wanted an evolution of skyrim and fallout and they got something worse.

todd said we have this great new engine and exploration on a level you have never seen before, while creation engine still looks like hot garbage and there is no exploration at all. you get a list of fast travel locations and half of those locations are not worth visiting.

i gave it a 6/10 for main story and factions alone and i liked interior graphics detail (rendered buttons etc.) but it did feel much worse than a 6/10 to me. it felt like i wasted my time on that game.

thats what persuades some people to give it the lowest ranking possible.

of course there are always trolls that give low scores, because they hated some kind of social/political message, thats true. just look at TLOU2

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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23

Could the same not be said for critic reviews? Do they even review a game below a 7/10 these days unless it’s like irredeemably bad? Review publishers don’t want to lose out on early copies and basically hand out 8’s and above like candy

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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23

You are correct, they suck too.

But they aren’t brought down by people buying the game with the express purpose of rating it 1/10 then refunding it.

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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23

I totally agree that there are a lot of garbage user reviews. Still doesn’t change the fact that Starfield has mixed reviews. There are Bethesda games that are positively rated. Cyberpunk had a much bigger hate campaign against it and still has very positive reviews.

There’s a reason the reviews for Starfield are the way they are now

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u/80sCrackBaby Nov 20 '23

Cyberpunk had a much bigger hate campaign against it

you dont actually believe this right?

lmao imagine taking user reviews seriously

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u/JohnnyChutzpah Nov 20 '23

You should look at the some of the games that have overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam. They are the ones that aren’t highly mediocre or bad.

Steam has a solid review system and steam tags reviews as refunded for people who refunded the game. Also shows their playtime. And people can vote and award reviews.

Xbox, however, does have a horribly broken joke of a review system.

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u/80sCrackBaby Nov 20 '23

just read a review on steam that said

"5 out 10 can't give a game angry joe said was bad a good review"

ya man totally legit

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u/JohnnyChutzpah Nov 20 '23

Cool. I bet the other 10s of thousands of reviews fit your bias as well and are not, you know, a reflection of reality.

It’s a mediocre game. I played it. 5/10 is a solid score for it. I played it before reading any reviews and still would have given it a 5/10.

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u/80sCrackBaby Nov 20 '23

its a fantastic game, as most of the actual reviews have stated

probably the 2nd best so far this generation

" not on Playstation 1 out 10" lol

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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23

2nd best game of this generation and it didn’t even crack a nomination for GOTY? Lmao. There’s debate over whether this was even the best xbox game this year

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u/JohnnyChutzpah Nov 20 '23

You are allowed to like it. But it’s a janky disjointed mess running on dated systems not able to handle the vision they had for the game. It’s an objectively mediocre game.

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u/JohnnyChutzpah Nov 20 '23

Steam tags reviews as “refunded” from people who refunded the game. Also it shows the playtime of the person reviewing the game. Also people can award and vote on if a review is helpful or not.

You are probably basing your experience on Xbox which has a broken joke of a review system.

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u/Marinlik Nov 20 '23

There's a reason that they don't review many if any games under 5-6/10. Those games are simply not worth reviewing because there's too many better games to review. Why pay someone a salary to review a 3/10 game that no one has any interest in?

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u/Marinlik Nov 21 '23

That's simply not true. It's not a five star system. Because a seven isn't the same as a two. And a six isn't a one. It's not a five star system. It's a ten star system but the lower scores are generally not used because they are for terrible games. But they do get used sometimes. Like Gollum and King Kong. It's just more rare. It's not because they don't reach the quality to be ranked. It's because, ones again, there's not much interest in terrible games. And you can't review every single game that gets released.

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u/Hayman68 Nov 20 '23

Critic reviews are worse. They're either overly positive because they were paid to give a good review, or overly negative because they're playing a game in a genre they don't enjoy or understand.

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u/Yellow90Flash Nov 20 '23

especially if the publisher is known to blacklist people over bad reviews, which bethesda is one of them. with starfield a lot of xbox focused influencers got a review copy but established gaming journalist outlets of all sizes didn't (eurogamer at first, the guardian, edge and metro for example)

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u/lasagna_man_oven Nov 20 '23

Disagree that critics are worse when there was a legion of angry Sony fanboys ready to review bomb the game at launch.

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u/AuthoritarianSex Nov 20 '23

Just like there was a legion of Xbox fanboys giving the game 10/10’s before they even played more than a couple hours

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u/Hayman68 Nov 20 '23

That's just an issue of volume. There are at least some good user reviews. There are no good critic reviews.

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u/UnHoly_One Nov 20 '23

That’s true too.