r/Invincible Battle Beast Apr 02 '24

Is Mark Korean-American in the comics as well? DISCUSSION

I thought his race/ethnicity was something present in the comics but I’ve been reading through them and have found no mention of it so far

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u/karma_virus Apr 02 '24

Given the potency of Viltrimite DNA, I'm astonished that he doesn't have an unshavable Miami-Five-0 mustache.

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u/XaiJirius Apr 02 '24

Not even Viltrumite DNA is powerful enough to give a Korean man dense facial hair before 30

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u/EssentialPervert Apr 02 '24

Before 30? You'll be in luck to find ANY Asian man with facial hair that's longer than stubbles

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u/zhaoao Best Tiger Apr 02 '24

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u/Yusuf-el-batal Apr 02 '24

That facial hair is still thin asf, just very long

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '24

He most likely had the artist make it bigger lol

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u/RedMoon14 Apr 02 '24

Man had to go back to a hundred years before photographs existed

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u/nongo Apr 02 '24

Still can’t connect a goatee.

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u/Individual-Ad9753 Rex Splode Apr 02 '24

Clearly edited

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u/BluEch0 Apr 02 '24

See, we only get that if we never touch a razor in our lives. That man is clearly in his late 50s-early 60s with those wrinkles coming in.

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u/No_Hunter_9973 Apr 02 '24

Mark after 30: Spontaneous Fu Manchu.

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u/fleggn Apr 02 '24

Japanese can have facial hair. Maybe because of emishi / ainu blood. Current social trend is strongly clean shave though.

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u/Mountain_Macaroon305 Apr 03 '24

Depends if you work in a Japanese company you’re expected to be clean shaven unless you wield a position of power or have spent years with the company then you are afforded a mustache as a means to show your elevated status in the company’s hierarchy/social order.

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u/wienerfestival Apr 03 '24

It’s true. I once lost a dart game to a Korean buddy and the stakes were my beard. He wanted it so bad.

The only time that guy ever beat me at darts. And no, I didn’t let him win. He was just on another level that night.

First time I’ve ever seen a group of people literally pick up the winner and carry him around horizontally while calling him a champion.

I’m a man of my word. We all went back to my place and shaved my beard off and adhered it to my buddy’s face.

There’s a lot of great video and photos, but I won’t dox him without permission, so don’t ask.

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u/Lessmoney_mo_probems Apr 02 '24

I have a korean friend whos been wearing a shag carpet on his face since sophomore year 

A rare exception though 

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u/Fritz125 Burger Mart Trash Bag Apr 02 '24

I loved how Allen realized Thaddeus was a Viltrumite just because of his moustache

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u/Nielsnl4 Apr 02 '24

More because he ripped his beard off

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u/King_Sam-_- Omni-Drip Apr 02 '24

toolock pull!

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u/Justchickenquestions Apr 02 '24

This guy viltrumites

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u/Cardemother12 William Clockwell Apr 02 '24

This was the best scene in season 2 btw, how like a moustache is all the confirmation he needs

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u/derekbaseball Apr 03 '24

Well, that and he sounds like Optimus Prime.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

Miami Five O? Are you thinking of Magnum PI, while saying Miami Vice and Hawaii Five O?

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u/IA-HI-CO-IA Apr 03 '24

That one guy taking off his beard revealing his mustache to prove he was a Viltrimite was hilarious. 

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u/Medium-Science9526 Comic Fan Apr 02 '24

Nope, new addition to the show from what I gathered was implemented because fans intially perceiving that Debbie and by proxy Mark had Asian descent.

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u/LightThatIgnitesAll Apr 02 '24

I just find it funny to think how Kirkman reacted to it.

So fans were like "cool an asian superhero lead."

Kirkman: What? Not intentional but uh... sure I guess.

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u/breath_ofthemild Apr 02 '24

Danny Phantom and My Life as a Teenage Robot had similar experiences, with polar opposite reactions from their creators. Both shows were perceived by fans as an allegory for transgender teenagers. Butch Hartman, creator of Danny Phantom, caught wind of this and IMMEDIATELY got on the defensive, saying that it was in no way attached to LGBT storytelling whatsoever. Rob Renzetti, the creator of Teenage Robot, pretty much said “that was not at all my intention, but hell yeah sure”

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u/gumptiousguillotine Apr 02 '24

I never considered either of them like that but they were both my favorite nicktoons growing up (the MLAATR Christmas special is one of my favorite animated things ever to this day) but it makes so much sense. I’m a nonbinary transmasculine person who does both male and female drag and always identified with how “othered” both of the MCs of these shows were within their respective narratives.

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u/RazzDaNinja Apr 02 '24

I am ignorant of this history and would like to learn more as to how Danny Phantom n Teenage Robot were allegories of trans kids

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u/breath_ofthemild Apr 03 '24

For Danny Phantom, it’s all about Danny’s perspective. While a lot of his tension is centered around basic teenage anxieties, an overarching tension is his parents and their tirade against ghosts. They work as ghost hunters, and with Danny secretly being a ghost himself, he never “comes out” to his parents about who he is as he is worried about what they’ll do to him if they ever find out. And his parents, having no idea what he truly is, continue to talk about ghosts as disgusting creatures, unwittingly becoming their son’s first and most serious enemy. Not the ghosts he fights nor the bullies at school are the ones he fears most, but rather his parents. On top of general themes like his struggling with the perception of masculinity, it’s easy to see how this could be seen in a light mirroring the LGBT teenage experience.

For MLAATR, it’s all about Jenny’s sense of identity. Her mother created her to be a robotic protector of Earth called XJ-9, Jenny insists on living life as a normal teenager, attending school and dealing with average teenage nonsense. A lot of tension comes from her mother’s refusal to fully accept this decision Jenny’s made (even “deadnaming” Jenny throughout the series) and Jenny’s feelings of body dysmorphia, with her at one point even donning a skin suit that had her “pass” as a biological human. All in that frame of mind, if the series were written today, this probably would have been a more intentional decision, but as it stands, the creator more treats it as a happy accident of sorts

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u/Xerneous12_ Omni-Drip Apr 03 '24

Tbh I don’t feel like there’s anything wrong with a creator saying the allegory wasn’t his intention. People can have their fan theories sure, but why is the creator ‘defensive’ for saying no to their ideas?

I’ve never seen these allegories purported back when the shows were airing at all. Nothing wrong with it, people can have any opinion they want, & the creator isn’t ‘defensive’ for correcting them.

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u/PeterGriffin0920 Brit Apr 02 '24

Best examples of diversity in media is when its unintentional or doesnt matter, and Kirkman nails it for the most part

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u/Daztur Apr 03 '24

Well having a thingie on the wall saying "hi" in Korean in S1 was lazy as fuck. The Korean wedding ducks in S2 were chef's kiss

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u/Maedeuggi Apr 03 '24

The Korean decor was a nice detail to the feeling of the scenes.  What really stood out was when she took her shoes off in the house.

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u/Snoozless Apr 03 '24

Do

Do most people not take their shoes off in the house?

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u/AnonScarySnake Apr 03 '24

Parts of Europe and south, central Americas don’t take ‘em off. USA seems a bit split, but most seem to leave ‘em on. East Asia takes em off, dunno about the rest of the world

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u/OneGoodRib Apr 03 '24

I'm American and I don't know know anyone who keeps their shoes on inside the house unless they're only going to be staying for like a minute.

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u/Sapphire_Leviathan Apr 04 '24

Asian here, married into a Mexican household and I had to get used to wearing shoes inside. Very uh, culture shocking.

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u/WhatAWonderfulWhirl Apr 03 '24

In America anyway, there's a general kind of unspoken rule for the most part that people will wear shoes on the ground floor of the home, or wherever they recieve guests, because their guests are most likely going to wear shoes into the house anyways. Upstairs, or wherever bedrooms are, tends to be more of a home-by-home decision.

Asking a guest to take off their shoes, or taking your shoes off as a guest, is kinda frowned upon in the states, unless there's some kind of other arrangement in place already.

I also feel like Americans have smellier feet than most of the world. Long commutes, long hours, and seeing a foot doctor is something most people here go their entire life without. Keeping your shoes on is a lot more courteous than taking them off for your average working man, provided he doesn't wanna clear the room. Keeping your shoes on begets keeping your shoes on, the longer they're on the worse the smell gets if that's a problem. Considering the amount of foot fungus treatments we have TV ads for, I'm guessing there's a very large market for them.

TLDR Americans got stanky ass feet and try to be courteous about it, and in doing so only further the stank problem.

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u/nomadic_weeb Burger Mart Trash Bag Apr 03 '24

Apparently it isn't common in the US to take shoes off in the house. Unusual considering how many countries that's standard practice in, but each to their own ig

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u/BiggestChad Apr 03 '24

In the UK it’s pretty common to do so

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u/PersonFromPlace Apr 03 '24

For an odd reason, I kind of relate to Nightwing, Jason Todd, Tim Drake and sometimes Batman as if they’re Asian just because of their complexion sometimes and the way their hair is styled. I know they’re not, but it does kinda feel nice in that they kinda look like me, if I was hotter and more jacked.

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u/nomadic_weeb Burger Mart Trash Bag Apr 03 '24

Never considered the idea of an Asian Nightwing but I'm all for it. Works well with his primary martial art being eskrima which is a Filipino style

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u/[deleted] Apr 03 '24

Nightwing also enjoys sweet spaghetti from jollybees

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u/cinepresto Cosplayer Apr 03 '24

I think the biggest reason for me was because Robin in Teen Titans had that spiky Asian anime protag hair and I was happy with any black haired representation at that point. The moment twelve year old me saw that Aang grew black hair in his coma, I definitely freaked out over the realization he was actually probably Asian

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u/David_ish_ Apr 03 '24

Well for sure Damian is Asian so we got at least one canonically Asian Robin

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u/MNM0412 Apr 02 '24

Honestly, I thought that they were made Asian because of their voice actors.

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u/NightHunter909 Apr 02 '24

they were changed to be Korean-American because of the voice actors they cast.

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u/Clamper Apr 03 '24

Not even just that, Omni-Man was tweaked to look more like Simmons. (Mainly the blue eyes)

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u/Saduolf The Immortal Apr 05 '24

also Amber

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u/stankgodd Apr 02 '24

i just assumed mark cuban was from cuba

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u/NightHunter909 Apr 02 '24

They changed it because of the voice actors they cast

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u/Medium-Science9526 Comic Fan Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 03 '24

I thought their VAs were specifically picked because they made this change to have give them Asian descent.

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u/NightHunter909 Apr 04 '24

im pretty sure Kirkman has said before in interviews they cast Sandra Oh and Steven Yeun first before changing the designs

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u/edwinstone Mark Grayson Apr 02 '24

Robert Kirkman did an interview and he said the comic is ambiguous and the hero is whatever race we want him to be. He said he never really had a race in mind but fans would thank him for making the lead Mexican or Asian etc.

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u/RakshashaRavana Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Hes actually asian- viltrumite

Edited: Guys u was making a joke about how people in US call themselvs african american or asian american or anglo american. At most hes a mix between human and viltrumite. Now am assuming viltrumites culuture has evoled beyong the concept of nationalism or culturalism as they seem to be soly homogensized (as they are barely left) and am guessing he would probably self actualize as an american since he grew up in the US. But yall need to chill with this entire discussion i was making a joke. Dont need an entire debate about race- ethnisicty- spieces and culture etc

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u/fliplock89 Apr 02 '24

He would be a human-viltrumite. Viltrumite would be the species like humans are. It wouldn't be equivalent to being Asian.

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u/quinn_the_potato Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Exactly. It’d be whatever the Caucasian equivalent is on Viltrum. (Assuming Nolan is supposed to look Caucasian)

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u/Budget-Attorney Cecil Stedman Apr 02 '24

I doubt the viltrumites have a name for different races.

Given their society I would assume that being viltrumite is what matters and internal viltrumite distinctions are seldom made. At the least they would classify viltrumites more by strength than flesh color

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u/sinkwiththeship Apr 02 '24

They have two races: strong and dead.

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u/Hakatu189 Apr 03 '24

This guy understands ☝️

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u/RakshashaRavana Apr 02 '24

I was making a joke and daym i got a lot of upvotes

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u/DoctorJJWho Apr 02 '24

The Americans got offended that you didn’t identify Mark as American lol

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u/fliplock89 Apr 02 '24

It's kinda wild tbh lol. Like just reading text I know enough people who don't know the difference so it's entirely plausible it wasn't a joke, but now knowing it was a joke and reading it back it's so clear! If we all were in person there would be no question it was a joke

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u/spicybigdadd Apr 02 '24

Is he not american?

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u/Chumbaroony Apr 02 '24

American is not a type of race, like Asian and Viltrumite are.

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u/Etticos Mister Liu (Dragon Form) Apr 02 '24

Viltrumite is a species not a race. Mark is a viltrumite + human hybrid and his human genes are of the asian race.

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u/AIien_cIown_ninja Apr 02 '24

Viltrumite is a weird species then because usually one species cannot breed with another species, especially ones as diverse as bugs and human.

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u/RepublicHunter Apr 02 '24

Yeah bro this is a comic where people fly in space and punch holes in mountains. It clearly doesn't abide by the same rules as rl.

Also the show states that Viltrumites can breed with anything.

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u/Bobby_Dogma Apr 03 '24

So that's where Seance Dog came from

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u/CardOfTheRings Apr 02 '24

And I feel like race hardly matters when your only half human anyway lmao. Nobody calls Star-Lord half white- half planet, we need to cut it out with this ‘one drop rule’ shit leaking into our sci-fi.

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u/spicybigdadd Apr 02 '24

I'm aware, but he is absolutely American and could consider himself to be Asian American no?

Also, viltrumite would be a species not a race right? There are black vilturumites in the show iirc

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u/greenie329 Apr 02 '24

Viltrumite isn't a race, it's a species. He's human-viltrumite and Asian-American

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u/Deviloftwitchs Apr 02 '24

I’d just say he’s American lmao. Born in America, just plain ol American

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u/Fearless_Exercise130 Apr 02 '24

genetically speaking though hes an asian viltrumite

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u/Das_Gongaga Apr 02 '24

Debbie could be Korean-American, making Mark Asian-American-Viltrumite

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u/HarpuiaVT Apr 02 '24

Asian isn't a race neither, you could be from Japan, India or Russia, and none of them looks alike

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u/muspinerol Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Is Asian a race? Thought East Asians and Near Eastern people had different ancestors back in the Paleolithic.

Edit: Furthermore, calling East Asians "Asians" is kinda wrong, since Asia was a term used to refer the region of Turkiye (ex Anatolia), Arabian Peninsula and other lands conquered by the Persian Empire

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u/NawAmeil Apr 02 '24

This sentence is so broken. What do you think terms like native American and African American mean?

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u/RendesFicko Apr 02 '24

I mean, he's an american citizen, but none of his ancestors are.

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u/RadioSlayer Apr 02 '24

Never read the comics, do they say Debbie wasn't born in the states?

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u/Tisamonsarmspines Apr 02 '24

No. Just that her father is named Oliver. That’s the extent of her backstory.

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u/Grendlsgrundl Rex Splode Apr 03 '24

No. Because his human ancestry is never once addressed beyond his being half-human.

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u/Vicimer Apr 02 '24

In the show, his dad is Viltrumite and his mom is implied to be Canadian, so he's theoretically neither, though obviously an American citizen.

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u/Budget-Attorney Cecil Stedman Apr 02 '24

When is it implied his mom is Canadian? I must have missed that

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u/Vicimer Apr 02 '24

Well, I'd say I'd say it's more of a nod or an Easter egg, but Sandra Oh is Canadian and in a flashback we see Mark wearing a Canada T shirt for some reason. But it's never actually mentioned, so there's no reason to assume it's canon like Deadpool or Wolverine.

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u/Pran282006 Battle Beast Apr 02 '24

Did you not see the Canadian merch Mark was rocking in the first episode?

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u/Budget-Attorney Cecil Stedman Apr 02 '24

Oh yeah. I assumed it meant one of the show runners was Canadian.

But that makes a lot of sense

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u/WillyTheHatefulGoat Comic Fan Apr 02 '24

The creator talked about it. The canada t-shirt was a joke to his son who also had a canada t-shirt despite never being to canada.

So Mark just had a canada t shirt unrelated to anything. Or he likely went to canada with his dad who can fly anywhere in a few minutes.

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u/SmallBerry3431 Apr 02 '24

He’s more viltrumite than anything too with how it’s described in canon

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u/Kakio63 Witchblade Apr 02 '24

I think in the show they slightly modeled mark and Debbie off of Steven and Sandra

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u/ralpher1 Apr 02 '24

I don’t think they have much resemblance especially Debbie.

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u/Internal_Map_8765 Apr 02 '24

Nah, it's just in the show. Steven Yuen and Sandra Oh kill it imo , so good example of a more diverse cast done right

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u/HornOfTheStag Apr 02 '24

I always thought they were Asian from how they were drawn, but I guess it never specified. Weird.

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u/JVLawnDarts Comic Fan Apr 02 '24

Yeah same but I was a show first then comics so I probably just assumed

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u/ManOfTurtles2118 Apr 02 '24

What was it like to be a show?

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u/JVLawnDarts Comic Fan Apr 02 '24

Not too many downsides, gotta wait a while before the new me gets released though which sucks. Definitely better than being a comic though. You’d be surprised how many times my pages get ripped from too eager of readers

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u/ThreeHobbitsInACoat Apr 02 '24

Kinda the same way I always just imagined Terry Mcguinness as Asian American, despite nothing in Batman Beyond hinting that, outside of his vaguely Asian looking design.

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u/gitagon6991 Apr 02 '24

This is actually how I always imagined Terry as well. 

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u/paco-ramon Apr 02 '24

He looks like a younger Bruce Wayne with blue eyes.

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u/pocketbutter Apr 03 '24

Boy do I have news for you…

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u/ianjm Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

Kirkman is on the record saying he deliberately drew Debbie an Mark to be somewhat racially ambiguous in the comics, so they can be interpreted as white, asian, or whatever the reader wants.

In the series they've pinned it with a concrete decision. Harder when you have movement to stay ambiguous.

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u/Protoman89 Apr 02 '24

I always thought they were hispanic when I read the comics

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u/HornOfTheStag Apr 02 '24

I can see it

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u/LexeComplexe Apr 02 '24

They are. Mark is Asian American.

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u/Kstoffeefan Atom Eve Apr 02 '24

Kirkman said it was left ambiguous in the comics, but it was a conscious choice to make Mark Asian for the show

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u/redeemer47 Apr 02 '24

Is everyone here blind? I’m looking at comic panels right now and Debbie is clearly Asian

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u/Da_reason_Macron_won Apr 02 '24

Yeah, I don't know people are talking about. No way in hell this is a white lady.

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u/ahgatse Apr 02 '24

Also Duplikate is Chinese. Mark and his mom are Korean descent. They’re gonna look slightly different from Kate because not all Asians look the same 💀💀💀

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u/vButts Apr 02 '24

Yeah but even Koreans look different from other Koreans

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u/rockmodenick Apr 02 '24

"He's Laotian, ain't you Mister Khan?" - Cotton Hill

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u/DepartureDapper6524 Octoboss Apr 02 '24

Such a great, layered scene.

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u/rockmodenick Apr 02 '24

It really was. Cotton, a Paragon of hate in many ways, shows just how much less ignorant he is than the well-meaning but willfully ignorant crew. And that's just one thing that was going on.

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u/GlaceBayinJanuary Apr 02 '24

Comic Debbie always seemed Italian or some type of Spanish ancestry to me. While Italian was not considered 'white' back at the start of the 20th it is now so...? I guess we'd have to ask Kirkman.

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u/pumpsnightly Apr 02 '24

Yeah I always thought she was Hispanic or something

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u/LexeComplexe Apr 02 '24

Wtf makes you think she's Italian? I am genuinely so confused how anyone could think that. There is nothing about her that speaks Italian to me

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u/DepartureDapper6524 Octoboss Apr 02 '24

She has olive-ish skin and very black hair

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u/GlaceBayinJanuary Apr 02 '24

It's just my knee-jerk reaction. I can't say why because it's just the answer my brain gave me. While there's nothing about her that spoke Italian to you I guess it could be possible that me and you are not the same person [Citation Needed] and as such we have differences in life experience?

Looking further into this it seems Kirkman intentionally left it vague. Given that there's no real answer we all just get to see what we see. We're both right!

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u/Xciv Apr 02 '24

Yeah it's vague for sure. It's like how a lot of anime characters are racially ambiguous and asians see them as asian characters and caucasian people see them as caucasians.

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u/WinterSavior Apr 02 '24

Very much Asian.

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u/RenterMore Apr 02 '24

Insane to me that people in this thread call this an Italian lady lol

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u/treetopkingdom The Elephant Apr 02 '24

No, she’s drawn different from dupli-Kate and every other Asian character. She has the same eye shape as all the white characters

It’s supposed to be ambiguous though. Because when asked, Kirkman just called him viltrumite American .

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u/OOF-MY-PEE-PEE Apr 02 '24

breaking news: person on reddit discovers that not every asian person looks the same

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u/treetopkingdom The Elephant Apr 02 '24 edited Apr 02 '24

No, but that’s not the point of my comment. Artist will definitely try and draw similar features for Asian characters

Not give them the same eye shape and sometimes color as all the non Asian characters.

In the show, there’s no ambiguity

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u/LeontheSimpKennedy Apr 02 '24

yeah cause nobody even mentioned his race cause it just fits so naturally and he still looks almost exactly like comic book mark , i like it

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u/incredibleamadeuscho Robot Apr 02 '24

No. Kirkman talked about the change in 2021:

Kirkman: I think representation matters -- not to get on a soapbox or anything -- especially in the world of superheroes. You don't start getting non-white superheroes regularly until the '70s and, even then, through the '80s, '90s and 2000s, they're still somewhat rare. There's not a lot of these characters, to this day, that are different races. Anytime something can be changed to bring more representation into it, I think it's very important because there's a tremendous amount of people out there who don't see themselves in what they consume. But it's also very important because there's an audience hungry for this stuff; it actually benefits projects.

So aside from being the right thing to do, it actually helps projects these days, which is a really great thing. And in the Invincible comic, there is at no point in the comic book series where we say Invincible is white; his race is, more or less, ambiguous. There's nothing about his race that is essential to that character, his race could literally be anything. I think because we were in that position, we decided it'd be a responsible thing to do, and a really cool thing to do, and do something with his race that was interesting in the animated series, and that's why we decided to go down that road.

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u/Plop7654 I’m in no hurry for you to lose this weight Apr 02 '24

Common Kirkman W

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u/Castermat Hail Mary Apr 02 '24

Theres nothing pointing at him and Debbie being nothing but Americans. I think its nice addition to the show

Also comic Mark has blue eyes, I prefer the dark, but warm brown

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u/grapejuiceshots Bobby Hill Apr 02 '24

what i liked was the season 2 redesign for mark that accentuates his epicanthal folds making him look closer to his mother in that regards, i think its symbolic for how his body may be 99.9% viltrumite but the humanity remains in his eyes, the most expressive part of the body (and mark expresses his emotions clearly as opposed to someone like his father)

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u/magpie-sparrow Apr 02 '24

That’s a beautiful analysis, I love that.

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u/waterpup99 Apr 02 '24

Also the shaved stache!

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u/VengeancePali501 Apr 02 '24

I’m thinking they gave him brown eyes in the show so that he has Debbi’s eyes instead of Nolan’s, connecting him to his human side.

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u/DepartureDapper6524 Octoboss Apr 02 '24

Which would also serve to make him Asian, as most Asians have brown eyes.

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u/Zelkanok Apr 02 '24

He hasn’t been exposed to the spice long enough yet to have blue eyes 😌

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u/Ranwulf Apr 02 '24

Lisan Al-Gaib!

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u/5tar_k1ll3r Allen the Alien Apr 02 '24

AS WRITTEN

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u/stoptheycanseeus Apr 02 '24

They’re definitely 100% American.

But they certainly have Korean heritage. In the living of their home is artwork and I believe some Korean characters on a painting on the wall.

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u/Person_reddit Apr 02 '24

I agree. Changing him to mixed-race in the show highlights his human/viltrumite heritage better.

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u/Cherei_plum Apr 02 '24

Korean-Veltrumite in the show

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u/mrrdobrev Apr 02 '24

Yep, i guess in the show they made it even better, cause dark hair and blue eyes - that superhero is already taken

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u/lalo___cura Apr 02 '24

Yeah it would really be stretching suspension of disbelief for there to be multiple people with dark hair and blue eyes. I mean come on, really? I buy that he can fly but dark hair with blue eyes? Pull the other one buster

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u/don_pistaccio Apr 02 '24

It’s Superman!

Did you know that his eyes turn red when he shoots lasers through his eyes?

-It’s probably because lasers are red, so that makes most sense.

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u/Mistah_K88 Apr 02 '24

Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman could all be related as they all share dark hair, blue eyes.

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u/luciphobic Samantha Eve Wilkins Apr 02 '24

in atom eves video game he says hes korean-american-viltrumite if that means anything

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u/VerbingNoun413 Apr 02 '24

That game is underrated.

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u/luciphobic Samantha Eve Wilkins Apr 03 '24

yes, i’m suprised nobody ever talks about it

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u/nerdwarp112 Apr 02 '24

It’s my understanding that the races of some of the characters in the show were changed to be the same as their voice actors, Mark included.

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u/ijustbeherefr Apr 02 '24

it’s fair to assume he’s somewhat asian i think judging off how debbie looks

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u/MaxIntensityTurtle12 Apr 02 '24

There's also paintings with Korean characters in their house in the show

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u/TheCreature27 Apr 02 '24

The comic never confirms or denies that Mark and Debbie are Asian, so they could be if you want them to be. I'd be willing to bet that Kirkman didn't really think about it when he was creating them.

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u/YoydusChrist Apr 02 '24

It’s left pretty ambiguous as far as I remember, but mark and especially Debbie look pretty asian to me.

I always saw mark as half asian half space white.

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u/Bumbleet2 Apr 02 '24

This is proof that Asian DNA is strong enough to resist being overwritten by Viltrumite DNA.

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u/CynicDog Battle Beast Apr 02 '24

I alway got the feel Debbie was of east asian descent.

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u/Ziggurat1000 Titan Apr 02 '24

Nah, he's just a white guy.

He's Asian in the show because Steven Yuen and Sandra Oh are Asian.

The duck scene in S2 E4 is actually a Korean tradition. This post explains it better than I could.

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u/Ooogaboogado123 Apr 02 '24

I can see it in show but not in comic

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u/AddendumDangerous632 Apr 02 '24

It's never really addressed

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u/socialistbcrumb Apr 02 '24

I think he and Debbie at least looked that way from what I’ve seen of the comics, so maybe they just leaned into it for the show?

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u/Reasonable-Tap-9806 Apr 02 '24

In one of Robert Kirkman's letter columns, IIRC he talks about Mark's race and the long and short of it was that Mark wasn't explicitly one race or another, Kirkman had fans telling him that they felt racially represented from Latinos and other Asians so for the show they decided to solidify Mark as a bi racial hero.

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u/Fuzzy974 Apr 03 '24

Spoiler alert:

His dad is not American.

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u/Unknown_User_66 Apr 02 '24

I read the comics after the show, so the preface of Debbie and Mark being of Asian descent was already there, but even in the comics I think they both also look like they're of Asian descent, too, Debbie more so than Mark. Perhaps Debbie in particular is a second or third generation where her grandfather or grandmother was a Korean immigrant than married a Caucasian, so she'd only be 1/4th Korean (enough to have some waning Asian features) leaving Mark only 1/8th at most with his Viltrumite DNA eventually overwriting that, as well.

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u/ouyon Apr 02 '24

You know I just now realised he’s Korean.

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u/Poniibeatnik Atom Eve Apr 03 '24

They had a korean food thing in their house once.

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u/Spiral-Force Apr 02 '24

He was created to just be racially ambiguous in the comics. 

Ironically, I always thought he was Asian (mainly because Debbie always looked Asian to me) and was just coincidentally validated by the show

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u/Black_Thunder_ Mauler Twins (Original) Apr 02 '24

My bf studied eastern languages and says that the paintings in Debbie's home are actually written in korean. Also if you look at Mark's eyes and generically at Debbie as a whole you can see that their design do represent asian features. I studied character design, and am studying animation instead

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u/WarlockAdam21 Apr 02 '24

Comic Books Need More Mix Race Heroes And Villains. It What The World Need. Mark Probably Would Beat Superboy From Young Justice.

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u/[deleted] Apr 02 '24

I like how Kirkman didn’t intentionally make Mark or Debbie Asian and they both look very Asian.

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u/Infinity0044 Apr 02 '24

There’s nothing in the comics saying he’s not Asian.

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u/7_Rowle Machine Head Apr 02 '24

Comic mark was meant to be ethically ambiguous I believe, while the show leaned more heavily into an explicitly mix race vision for him

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u/iHateThisPlaceNowOK Omnipotus Apr 02 '24

Yes he’s Korean American by earth standards.

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u/StinkCreek Apr 02 '24

Did you edit his mouth 👄

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u/HardBoiled800 Apr 02 '24

Robert Kirkman did an interview on this! They didn’t intend any particular race for Mark in the comic, but his coloring changes a good bit through various artists and settings, so different people assumed different things. When they made the show, they decided to formalize it after casting Stephen Yeun and Sandra Oh.

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u/Ewankenobi25 Apr 02 '24

His ethnicity is Korean, his nationality is canadian

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u/RedFox9906 Apr 02 '24

I mean yes, but he’s technically mostly pure Viltrumite. Culturally you can say he’s American, and his mother’s family roots go back to Korea.

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u/Unlikely-Marsupial75 Apr 02 '24

My Head canon is that he is secretly markliplier

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u/Lobito_mx Apr 02 '24

Human-viltrumite

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u/Bleezy79 The Immortal Apr 02 '24

Being half Viltrumite, it doesnt really matter what the other half is as eventually he'll be all Viltrumite. right?

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u/Inalum_Ardellian Apr 02 '24

well.... he korean-viltrumite afaik