r/Invincible • u/Kokonut-Z • Mar 28 '24
Why do people say « I wish I was Mark » in regards to THAT scene when they can wish to be this man instead? COMIC SPOILERS
I never understood it. Mark is a SA victim, that’s not something to want. Who the hell looks forward to getting rped? On the other hand, Scott still has sex with Anissa AND it’s loving and consensual relationship where she doesn’t act like an alien tyrant anymore. It’s leagues better than what she did to Mark. Even if someone wants to acknowledge that she’s physically attractive, they can still do that without the rpe victim part.
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u/USS-ChuckleFucker Mar 28 '24
They're stupid and don't acknowledge how traumatizing SA actually is.
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 28 '24
It’s just so dumb. Even if they think Anissa is hot and they would want to be dominated, SA isn’t the way to go. Reminds me of people going “where was that teacher when I was a kid” when certain news reports happen
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u/Fartfech Mar 28 '24
“where was that teacher when I was a kid”
Its vile people think like this
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 28 '24
I remember a few years ago seeing a man on Facebook say that if he had a son who came back from school saying he had relations with his teacher, he’d buy him a beer but if he had a daughter who said the same thing, he’d kill the guy. The double standards are insane. Neither of the cases are something to celebrate.
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u/iHateThisPlaceNowOK Omnipotus Mar 28 '24
I think they forget about this scene tbh.
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 28 '24
As someone pointed out, some probably don’t even know Scott exist since they haven’t read the comics and only talk about the Anissa scene with Mark on the farm
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u/RnRaintnoisepolution Mar 29 '24
People need to realize there's a major difference between being consensually dominated and sexually assaulted.
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u/Sharp-Awareness-5947 Mar 29 '24
it was actually traumatizing for him.... but that scene would be come probably in season 4
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u/Freddycipher Mar 28 '24
Those people probably don’t even know Scott exists.
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 28 '24
Unfortunately no. What Anissa does to Mark is the most well known spoiler since everyone was talking about it since episode 1 of the show and that got a lot of people to say they wish they were Mark. I am disappointed that no one brings up her good relationship instead.
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u/RnRaintnoisepolution Mar 29 '24
That's the reason I really hope they cover that part. Too many people downplay SA of men because "Dude she's hot how could you not want to have sex with her?" When SA is traumatic regardless of the physical attractiveness of the perpetrator.
Hopefully a serious depiction of SA of men will help at least some people take it (as well as SA of women and others) seriously.
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u/Procrastinator78 Mar 29 '24
I think its because of how media often portrays men as being hypersexual and always up for sex, when simply its not true. They can't really grasp the concept because in their mind they'd be grateful because they're lonely or they can't imagine someone not enjoying sex even if its nonconsensual, so they can't really put themselves in the victims place because they just can't picture it being a bad thing. I think its why SA is downplayed so much for both sexes by men and women, they've never experienced it, so they can't empathize. I mean thats a good thing that its never happened to them, but at times it can come across as victim blame type of thing and really invalidate someone's feelings, but they don't realize.
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u/True_Falsity Mar 28 '24
Who the hell looks forward to getting raped?
The people who don’t have the emotional maturity and intelligence to understand the negative effects and aspects of it.
They see a hot woman who wants to fuck them, no matter what. And that’s where their thinking stops.
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u/Kryptonian_1 Mar 29 '24
True. I bet they'd sing a different tune if the rpist was say.... Granny Goodness.
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u/BigNorseWolf Robot Mar 28 '24
To be fair that IS by design.
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u/Financial_Rent_7978 Killcannon Mar 29 '24
And I think it’s actually an important part of the message, alongside Anissa seeming like one of the more reasonable Viltrumites as opposed to, say, Conquest. It doesn’t have to be some ugly monster or genocidal maniac for it to be an absolutely evil act.
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u/luciphobic Samantha Eve Wilkins Mar 28 '24
they don't know the difference between dominant woman and rapists apparently
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u/Suspicious_Loan8041 The Immortal Mar 28 '24
Because on the surface Anissa is very hot and it seems like free sex. If she were uglier, I think the reality of getting raped would be way more obvious to some people.
I’m sure the show is gonna make the scene way more horrific, but in the comics, you just get a few small panels of a chick with giant breasts sweating and moaning on top of a ripped mark. Porn would desensitize a lot of people to that.
It’s very hard for a lot of people to take male SA victims seriously. The context here doesn’t help since it’s clear Mark wasn’t fighting back nearly as much as he could have. Even the comics tossed around the idea that if he truly didn’t want it, he coulda stopped it. Basically since he’s a man, he had to want it in some way, therefore it’s not a big deal.
I’m curious if the show is gonna make the physical difference between them more pronounced to really show the lack of control, or if they’re gonna lean into the confusion male victims have about if they LET it happen by making Mark a way closer match to her.
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u/Greyjack00 Mar 28 '24
I imagine voice work would go a long way to improving it I can't imagine how horrifying it'll sound
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u/hav0k0829 Mar 29 '24
I think she show should rework the part where it implies he wanted it. That would be way too weird in the current world and honestly it would be better if he was completely overpowered and explore how he copes with it as a male victim going forward.
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u/That_one_drunk_dude Allen the Alien Mar 29 '24
Even the comics tossed around the idea that if he truly didn’t want it, he coulda stopped it. Basically since he’s a man, he had to want it in some way, therefore it’s not a big deal.
Isn't that only ever stated from Mark's POV? During the event itself, the visuals make it pretty clear that Mark is completely outmatched, overwhelmed and Anissa is just ragdolling him. It's only a lot later on when Mark is stuck in a "What if" fallacy where he's guilting himself into thinking he could've done more, which is a feeling a lot of SA survivors unfortunately struggle with, especially male ones.
I always felt like the comic handled the whole SA-event pretty well, especially for its time. It's never played for laughs, there are a lot of emotional and social consequences to it that last for the entire run of the comic, down to the final issue.
Sure, there's definitely things it could've done better but that's always the case, and there is the whole question of "Did Anissa deserve a happy life without redeeming herself to Mark?" but that might be said about all the Viltrumites who've all done horrific things during their lifetimes, among which SA if Anissa is to be believed, so that's a broader question.
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u/TannenbergBlitz Mar 28 '24
A heavy rework of this plot point is inevitable. The way the comic handled it is simply unnaceptable in the current climate.
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u/CaribCoconut Mar 29 '24
So many people down voted you, but you were literally correct. Episode 7 just confirmed it lol
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u/Suspicious_Loan8041 The Immortal Mar 29 '24
I’d agree with you, but I think they realize people will care about depicting the dilemma of being a male victim enough for the show runners to role with it.
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u/Lordborgman Mar 29 '24
Considering they took ALL the rape out of Walking Dead, and rape is damn near non existent in most media for most of my 40 years of life in all mainstream media.... If it even happens, I'd be shocked if it is shown at all.
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u/ShadowFalcon2004 Mar 28 '24
Exactly. This man was able to bag and tag Anissa. Remember, it was a normal human, without any powers might I add, who was able to change her point of view and turn her into a loving and caring mother.
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u/elevator7 Mar 28 '24
He's her Debbie. This series really values humans and I appreciates that about it.
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u/SaggySausage69420 Mar 29 '24
But then he actually has to be involved emotionally, who wants that /s
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u/Spektakles882 Mar 28 '24
Because, as someone pointed out:
Most people do not understand the trauma of SA. Unless they’ve actually experienced it personally.
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Mar 28 '24
I hate her and her happy life and her acting like a good person and dying a hero’s death she should’ve been sent to jail or something more justified
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u/Embarrassed-Comb-109 Mar 29 '24
Nah, man, compared to Nolan who REALLY got it easy, Anissa is ok. As one dude here said:"reform, not punish"
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u/TannenbergBlitz Mar 28 '24
She got what she deserved in the end, but it didn't feel satisfying.
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Mar 28 '24
No because she died a hero or something just like lots of other people fighting in that battle died it wasn’t a result of her heinous actions
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u/TannenbergBlitz Mar 28 '24
It's so gross, problematic, and disrespectful. The worst part of the comic by far. If they don't rework it, I'm going to be very dissapointed on Kirkman and crew.
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u/Intrepid-Cod9055 Mar 29 '24
You must be mad that Omni Man died a hero then. You muat be mad some of the other viltrumites got a happy ending. Otherwise your a hypocrite.
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Mar 29 '24
Kind of so so on it really. It’s a bit off would’ve liked there to be some kind of consequence for their actions but I don’t mind them being good guys by the end of the story
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u/TheCoolPersian Mar 28 '24
Well, then a lot of the main characters should be in prison because a lot of them have committed crimes such as murder, etc.
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u/TV_H34d Donald Ferguson Mar 28 '24
It's amazing to think that this is the same character, honestly.
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u/H-TownDown Mar 29 '24
I hope they expand and rework her redemption a bit. It gave me serious whiplash reading it. There wasn’t enough legwork put in to make it believable in the original.
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u/ShadowAlcemist9 Mar 28 '24
The part that gets me is, people who WANT to be mark in that situation CANT be mark, you have to actively NOT want it. SMH
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 28 '24
Oh, I was trying to censor the R word but it ended up putting the whole post in italics lol. My bad everyone.
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u/Radioactive_monke Allen the Alien Mar 28 '24
Next time you want the *s to be actually seen, put a \ before the first one.
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u/GodzillaUK Mar 28 '24
Horny, lonely little goblins who think "any hole is a goal" even when the choice is ripped away from them. All they care about is the sex, and how much of it they aren't having.
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u/Annoyinghydra Mar 28 '24
Because in their mind she's "Big booba dommy mommy." And not acknowledging that it's assault and traumatizing to Mark.
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u/AvalancheTM Donald Ferguson Mar 29 '24
most of the people on reddit are loser degenerates
however, there are a few VERY FEW people who have been SA'd and they wish for it to happen again
please do not tell me "you're making that up stop lying on reddint you groglotryte" i am speaking from the point of view of someone who has both been raped, and has friends who have been too, 3 of them wish it were to happen again, i do not, the human mind is a wonderous and fucked up place
SA is horribly traumatizing, some people cope differently, and then some are mentally insane, some let it consume them.
what happened to mark was NOT okay, and i dont think Anissa deserved a happy ending, but i believe everyone deserves to be happy, i haven't read through all the comics, so i truly hope mark and Anissa worked things out, or at least dont talk to eachother at all, have zero interaction
also sorry for yappin too much i was mad
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u/OCGamerboy Mar 28 '24
Because they’re idiots. They wouldn’t be saying stuff like that if the genders were reversed.
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u/Forward-Accountant34 Mar 28 '24
I mean, I don’t want to be SA, but I do like a woman to take charge and be stronger than me.
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u/TtvNocked381 Mar 29 '24
Exactly there's a difference between sexual assault and wanting to be dominated 💁🏻♂️
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u/Inner-Estimate-9051 Apr 02 '24
See thats fine, more people need to realize they’re bottoms without having to go “I wish was mark lol”
No you don’t, you just like getting stepped on.
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u/Medium-Science9526 Comic Fan Mar 28 '24
Because its not as edgy, you have to realise most saying this are probably cut from the same cloth as those joking about wanting someone to choke them, hurt them etc.
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u/No_Hunter_9973 Mar 29 '24
"It WoUlDn'T bE SA WiTh Me! I wOuLdN't ReSiSt!"
Congrats to admitting you're a dick attached to a pair of legs and arms.
The rest of us have integrity.
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u/ThisIsGoodSoup Mar 28 '24
I wish i was that guy (the black one, not Mark)
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u/TtvNocked381 Mar 29 '24
See that's all you had to say to realize that she's hot without you know....
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u/ImpressAny773 Mar 28 '24
Because that would require them to actually read the series instead of just watching YouTube recaps
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Mar 29 '24
These post titles are getting a bit too unsubtle for my taste. People can easily peice together what's going to happen reading all of these titles together and it's not something I'd want to be spoiled for anyone.
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u/ThunderBlack14 Mar 29 '24
The humans are really good at seducing and making viltrumites more soft, don't they?
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u/DestinyHasArrived101 Mar 29 '24
Right it boggles the mind how easily humans changed them and they practically thousands of years old.
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u/Syn3sth3tic Mar 29 '24
Social media and the access to infinite amounts of opinions and information skewed their judgment🤷♂️
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u/Trilja6666 Mar 28 '24
Because Mark had superpowers? I mean. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to have superpowers
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u/skinned_piglet Mar 28 '24
Because they're sad lonely degenerates that crave any attention from a woman, regardless if she actually gives a shit about their shitty existence.
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Mar 28 '24
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u/Scoobz1961 Mar 28 '24
Its the tomboy aesthetic.
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u/Turbulent_Crow_3021 Apr 02 '24
what do you mean by that ( not disagreeing, i just dont understand)
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u/PhilosophyEcstatic89 Mark and Eve Mar 28 '24
Idk why people find rape funny and don’t take it seriously. No matter man or woman, it is violating.
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u/ArthurMorgan694 Omni-Man Mar 28 '24
It's just the result of the oversexualization of society.
Sexual assault is fucking horrifying. I get that some are joking, and that's alright. But some genuinely don't care.
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u/Izaak8 Spawn Mar 29 '24
99% of people who say that don't know him because they haven't read the comic and only know about the SA pannels. Hell, I bet they don't even know why all of that happened in the first place
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u/Blackar00ni Mar 29 '24
By the way let us not forget she named her son Marky
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 29 '24
That’s actually pretty weird now that I think about it considering how he was made and how Mark had no involvement in naming him. Plus since he looks exactly like Mark, the train of thought was most likely something like “wow you look exactly like my victim! Let’s name you after him”
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u/MehrunesDago Titan Mar 29 '24
Because they don't understand the concept of not wanting sex from an attractive woman.
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u/BigNorseWolf Robot Mar 29 '24
Because some people can't seriously process multiple hypotheticals that are far outside of their own experience. (Ironic for a medium like a super hero comic I know...)
-There is sex with a beautiful woman
-For some reason they don't want to have sex with a beautiful woman
-The woman can force them to have sex anyway.
-The Woman will do this.
When they try to imagine themselves in that situation, it isn't assault it's a fantasy. Item 2 in particular is trying to imagine a completely different mindset and outlook on life. This is oddly harder for a lot of people than the concept of flying superbeings.
Without that they can't Imagine becoming a victim because without that they AREN"T a victim they just got lucky out of nowhere.
So yes.. humans are weird. But I don't think in this case it's necessarily because we're bad.
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u/Thraggs Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 28 '24
Well thats the problem with the comic/show, they've desensitized the audience to violence because of how it's presented in and out of the show. How many Think Mark, Think memes were there in this sub and on Twitter. Even though what had just happened to Mark was no laughing matter either. He was used by his own father, pretty much violated to kill hundreds of men, women and children. And all everyone did was how can I make a meme out of this.
Don't be surprised when people joke about wanting to be Mark after the Anissa incident. It's pot calling the kettle.
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u/donutcat20 Mar 28 '24
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Why does this feel like Mark and Amber gender swap to me?
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 28 '24
If you were introduced to the series with the show perhaps it will. But Amber is not black in the comics, Scott was made long before black Amber. Mark doesn’t have blue eyes in the show but he does in the comics, but the change with Mark is less noticeable
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u/420CowboyTrashGoblin Rex Splode Mar 28 '24
Not sure, because Mark and amber are definitely not like this. They're not in love. They're both earth young adults. Amber doesn't make Mark a better person.
Also in the comic amber is worse than in the show. I think in the comic she doesn't really even like Mark that much, she doesn't care for his interests like show amber does.
Comic amber probably doesn't even read seance dog.
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u/TioVaselina Mar 29 '24
I had an ex friend of mine who wanted to be Mark in that situation. It made me so uncomfortable (as a SA victim myself) and i can explain: Those guys don't really recognize what it means to be put in such vulnerable situation. They only recognize that Anissa is hot and there was "sex". They don't put themselves in Mark's shoes as a victim and as someone who didn't want to, because they only see that Mark "hit it" with Anissa.
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 29 '24
Is your friend aware of Scott’s existence? Because many are saying that people who say they want to be Mark have no idea that we see someone having a good relationship with Anissa because they only saw the SA spoiler on YouTube or something. Also I’m sorry you had to go through such a traumatizing experience.
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u/Liseran23 Mar 29 '24
because most of the people with an obsession about that scene haven’t even read the comic. they saw someone else talking about the scene and latched onto that idea with no nuance or care beyond how shocking it is.
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u/Dray5k Mar 28 '24
A lot of men secretly love strong women. I don't agree AT ALL with the people who wish they were in Mark's situation, but I would much prefer a physically strong woman instead of a toothpick.
Women that curl 10-lbs weights as their max in the gym during a bulk are a no-go.
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u/Eastern_Mist Mar 28 '24
It's a fetish and makes her look very dominant, who the hell looks up towards getting swallowed whole
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u/Nirast25 The Flaxans Mar 28 '24
Mmm, love seeing Reddit formatting screw up the censorship of words. It's funny for some reason.
Also, is this the guy from the episode where Debby goes to meet with other superhero exes?
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u/Ludium_ Mar 29 '24
I’ve only watched the show, what THAT scene?
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u/kriegmonster Mar 29 '24
This takes place much later in the comic. How big of a spoiler are you asking for?
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u/HunterCoool22 Machine Head Mar 29 '24
People who wish to be uhh… (r word) are some troubled individuals.
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u/Frostyler Mar 29 '24
Probably because those people find Anissa very attractive, and to them, they wouldn't be getting SA'd since they want to have sex with her. It's not SA if you consent to it.
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 29 '24
I guess so. But Mark basically gets jumped on. If I had to choose between getting jumped out of nowhere when I’m in a bad headspace or having a more normal relationship, I’m choosing the second option.
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u/Morphchalice Mar 29 '24
People often don't realize they don't want something until they actually get it.
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u/originalusername4567 Mar 29 '24
I'm gonna be honest I don't think they're adapting THAT scene for the show.
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 29 '24
They have to. Or at least confirm it happens even if it’s off screen since it’s important for Mark’s development and brings us Markus who’s present at the end of the story. Honestly I’m expecting him and Terra to be much more fleshed out when the show adapts the end of the comic with the multiple time jumps.
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u/HiILikeMovies Mar 29 '24
I think they are going to change Anissa to be less redeemed at the end of the
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u/we-cant-go-back Mar 29 '24
Because I'm a broken individual who feels I deserve pain. I wouldn't enjoy it. I know how terrified and disgusted I'd feel and how much more fucked in the head it'd make me. Yet, my mind still desires it. Apart of me wants nothing but horrible things to happen to me.
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u/Wardog_Razgriz30 Mar 29 '24
I’ve done myself a terrible grievance by spoiling this for me. Who is this woman and what has she done with the evil lady I just met?
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 29 '24
This is Anissa later on in the story after she begins a relationship with a human man and she acknowledges that her past actions are wrong. Unfortunately, we don’t get much details on how she got from point A to B
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Mar 29 '24
I wish to be Mark because i hate myself and I wish to be this man if i learn to love myself.
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u/sgt_oddball_17 Atominvinceveable Mar 29 '24
I hope the show has the scene where Atom Eve throws down with Anisa.
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u/LegatoRedWinters Mar 29 '24
What if it's my fetish to be dominated by a woman who could kill me if she wanted to?
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u/Kokonut-Z Mar 29 '24
If you want to be dominated, that’s fine but it’s the part about wanting to be SAd that’s weird. Like imagine just walking down the street or being in a parking lot and someone jumps you,pins you down, etc. Nobody would want that, there’s a time and place for everything and obviously there needs to be consent.
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u/Harp_167 Mark and Eve Mar 29 '24
Honestly, I don’t think the show will be nearly as graphic with the Anissa encounter. I think instead of full on r*pe it will be more like Anissa drugs him, and mark is unconscious when it happens.
But who knows? The show hasn’t been shy in the past
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u/Kokonut-Z Apr 10 '24
Apologies for the late response. I don’t she’ll drug him, that’s not the viltrumite way of doing things. They might skip to the aftermath after she pins him to the ground and makes the crater but I think the interactions from the beginning of the scenes will be the same with her offering herself, him refusing and then her using brute force.
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u/BlareJack Apr 26 '24
Agreed. You know what, I hope they do cover that scene in the series. And as soon as these 14 year old edge lords put on their headphones and reach for their Jergens; I hope Anissa sodomizes Mark (fingers, tounge, apparatus etc.)in a such a way, that the viewers will never see Mark in the same light again. Just to truly highlight the horrors of SA and how it changes people. They should really make her out to be the villain that everyone 'claims' they want to see. It would also add much more depth to the show as well as the character development of Mark. And by the time she has a daughter with Scott, she's a changed women who doesn't engage in such deviance... after with-what she did to Mark.
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u/Kokonut-Z Apr 27 '24
They might skip to the aftermath of the scene. From what we got so far, it seems violence and dismembering is fine but sex is too much and has to happen off screen
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u/AffectionateGene5704 9d ago
I’m I the only one who thinks if mark were to accept Anissa as her mate mark would have made into a better person instead of Scott if mark agreed to have sex with her?
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u/BubblesZap Mar 28 '24
Not the point at all but as someone who's read some but not near all of the comics it's really funny and cool seeing viltrumites have such intense shifts both seeing how bad they were before redemption and how good they are after without knowing the in-between parts.