r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Mar 28 '24

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E07 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 7 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

As Mark attempts to salvage his personal life, a new villain arrives, presenting Invincible with his greatest challenge yet. Donald grapples with his past.

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u/RyanBrianRyanBrian Mar 28 '24

I wonder if mark is subconsciously holding back his punches or if he is truly very weak so far. Probably some of both but I'm concerned about future fights with vilrumites.

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u/moistpony Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

He’s 100% holding back. We saw what he’s actually capable of when he goes against a viltrumite with the intent to kill in episode 4, but we know that mark is struggling with not letting himself become like his father or the other viltrumites, hence his refusal to even pretend to say he’ll take over earth.

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u/Defiantclient Mar 28 '24

His compassion for earth and humanity is exactly why he needs to let his strength loose, just like Gohan in DBZ.

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u/Not_Another_Usernam Mar 30 '24

I, too, remember when Gohan was cool for 9 whole episodes before they ruined his character.

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u/Zankman Mar 31 '24

world-threatening evil

"no i can't"

friend with kind soul dies

goes angy, wrecks shit, becomes cool

stops training and shit gets bad

learns his lesson, "gotta be strong to protect everyone"

trains last minute, fails to defeat bad guy because arrogant

oh well, gotta train some more, dad will handle it until then

never trains again

repeat like 3 times

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u/AkhilArtha Apr 04 '24

He does go back to training in DB Super after realizing he has become so weak that he can't protect earth for even a little bit against Freiza when Goku and Vegeta are off earth.

He really showed his mettle in the Tournament of Power.

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u/Zankman Apr 04 '24

My issue is that he should have realized that after the Buu Saga, where the same exact thing happened... Or again after the Beerus Saga.

Even after the Golden Frieza Saga, he again stopped until the Exhibition Tournament reminded him again that he shouldn't stop training.

And then guess what? He was decent at the ToP but was still shown that he needs to continue training - which he didn't. Namely, in Super Hero he was again not training in any way, shape or form and literally said "why should I train when Goku and Vegeta are around?" when Piccolo asked him about what would happen if the Earth was in danger again - and, naturally, then the Earth was in danger and the only reason they won is because Gohan then received a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan-level power-up out of nowhere in the form of Beast Gohan.

I love Gohan and Beast is a cool form, but his writing has been lazy, repetitive and downright bad. It's just the same thing over and over again, to the point where Beast Gohan vs Cell Max is literally just a Gohan SSJ2 vs Perfect Cell rehash/homage.

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u/AkhilArtha Apr 04 '24 edited Apr 05 '24

I agree with your point. I think the way they have written gohan's character is that he is the anti-saiyan.

He doesn't really enjoy fighting. He likes getting stronger, sure, but at the end of the day, it's just not his passion like it is for other saiyans.

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u/Zankman Apr 04 '24

Oh I do get the intention, he's clearly more human than saiyan and doesn't enjoy fighting, but he's also implied to be intelligent and caring... I just think that ONE close call would make him realise that he has the responsibility of doing his best to protect everyone.

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u/jazzy753 Mar 28 '24

You mean in episode 4, that's the episode where he fights viltrumites with nolan and almost kills a viltrumite

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u/moistpony Mar 28 '24

My bad lmao, it was 3am when I wrote that and I was so tired, oops

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u/Justinyeethahahahaha Mar 28 '24

to be fair, anissa is faster than nolan and it seemed like the viltrumites in the bug planet were scrubs comparatively

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u/macedonianmoper Mar 28 '24

I was wondering if she's better in every regard on just in speed, she still respected Nolan's strength so I'm curious on how good of a fighter she actually is.

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u/crab_spy_ Mar 28 '24

I don’t think he was holding back against this one after what she dis to amber. I think maybe anissa is just much stronger than the other two. She seems to be the general’s right hand, that counts for something surely.

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u/moistpony Mar 28 '24

After the fight when he’s with amber he said that he wanted to kill anissa and he could feel the parts of him that are nolan bubbling up to the surface. It looks like he’s ashamed for feeling that way and to me it sounded like he was implying that he suppressed that urge to kill anissa because he didn’t want to be like his father and escalate the fight into being even more violent than it was and risk putting the cruise ship survivors in more danger.

Besides we’re going to get a glimpse of what it looks like when mark isn’t holding back in episode 8, which is likely going to end on a cliffhanger and then the start of season 3 is when we will see mark let go of all his inhibition.

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u/MustLocateCheese Mar 29 '24

Idk how much you care about minor powerscaling spoilers, but if you want an answer to your curiosity: at this point in the story Mark is just weaker than Anissa, who would be considered a fairly high tier Viltrumite.

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u/moistpony Mar 29 '24

I read the comics, i know that objectively he’s weaker than anissa for sure but in episode 4 we saw him hold his own and even overpower thula. I’m just saying that we have seen what mark is capable of even he stops holding back and fights with some intent to kill and that was not the mark we saw during his fight with anissa

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u/adrnjn Mar 28 '24

We saw what he’s actually capable of when he goes against a viltrumite with the intent to kill in episode 1,

wait when? what did i miss in ep 1

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u/Lshotform Mar 28 '24

why would he be holding back if the entire planet is on the line lmao

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u/Xignum Mar 31 '24

Plus, if he was stronger than Anissa and he can't win because he was holding back, why is he struggling against the sea Kaiju?

Saying Mark was stronger and only held back means he also held back against the sea kaiju, which makes zero sense.

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u/wioneo Mar 30 '24

Isn't he also just weaker, though? If they get stronger with age, he'd presumably be the weakest one we've seen by several orders of magnitude. I don't know if he gets bonus points some other way, but there's no logical reason for him to be able to handle literally any of them.

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u/moistpony Mar 30 '24

Mark overpowered and could have killed thula in episode 4 and she’s WAY older than mark and has more combat experience. You’re also forgetting that viltrumites get stronger by pushing themselves beyond their physical limits and mark’s fight with nolan in season 1 did just that and he never backed down and kept trying to fight despite being beaten to within an inch of his life, so after he recovered from that fight mark got significantly stronger.

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u/kabbajabbadabba Apr 03 '24

so viltrumites = saiyans?

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u/icanthinkofanameQ Mar 28 '24

with how he fought at the start of the season against those viltrumites compared to her, i think she was just stronger

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u/GNSasakiHaise Mar 28 '24

Little bit of both. He mentions containing the rage within the episode, but Anissa is also mentioned to be stronger than Nolan was on Earth. Mark is definitely weaker, but considering he had an 18% chance to survive/win the fight, I think we can see he's a lot stronger than he used to be.

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u/telepathictiger Mar 28 '24

Faster, not necessarily stronger. My guess is around/slightly above Nolan level in terms of Viltrumite?

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u/GNSasakiHaise Mar 28 '24

Honestly, I think a lot of this depends on how much he was holding back/taking it easy on Earth. I wouldn't be shocked at all to learn that Nolan was vibing for most of his time there. She's compared to Nolan as we knew him on Earth, so it would not shock me if she's stronger than Nolan (vibing) but weaker than Nolan (actually giving a shit).

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u/macedonianmoper Mar 28 '24

Nolan apparently struggled with the Kaiju, so the GDA should have some metric on Nolan's true power.

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u/GNSasakiHaise Mar 28 '24

My biggest caveat on that is that yes, he struggled with the Kaiju, but he also seemed to struggle with Immortal in the same fight. I assumed he was pretty fatigued and worn out by the time he finally beat the brakes off of Mark. I'd imagine he was moving fast and fighting hard, but as he grew more willing to unleash his power he also grew more fatigued.

This matches for me in the sense that yeah, I think Anissa could probably beat a worn out Nolan. No way she beats a Nolan trying his best from fresh health, like on Thraxa.

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u/viper459 Mar 28 '24

considering they literally scanned their bone density and said he had an 18% chance of winning, he really has just been slacking compared to the other viltrumites

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u/CAPTAIN_DlDDLES Mar 28 '24

That’s definitely not the worst odds, certainly good enough odds to indicate that he should at least be able to draw blood if he’s not holding back, which for a multitude of reasons, I’m certain he is

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u/CommentRude5161 Mar 28 '24

Bro was just weak

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u/2ndaccountbecausobvs Mar 28 '24

I'm so tired of people using the words holding back lol, but I genuinely do think Mark could have fought a lot harder if he was "fighting like a Viltrumite". He also seemed to fight with terrible tech ique against Anissa lol. Ik it's a show not MMA or something though. Maybe Cecil or Rudy will help him train to fight opponents of hist strength? Or Immortal? Idk.

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u/AllSteelHollowInside Mar 29 '24

Both can be true. Mark was holding back because he did not want to act on the kind of impulses his father would have. But if he had gone all out he still probably would have struggled to damage her let alone beat her.

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u/PresentationKey9568 Mar 29 '24

He might be but he's still just far weaker than Anissa, even just by strength simulation, he just has such a small chance of not dying.

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u/megatsuna Mar 30 '24

it definitely feels reminiscent to Spiderman and how he apparently holds back his punches.

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u/DangerousCrime Apr 03 '24

bro needs some training like what Nolan said