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Name one legitimate reason for picking up a cooler that isn't yours from a boat that isn't yours that's sitting on a trailer that isn't yours which is parked on property that also most likely isn't yours.
So my wife got hit by the boom while sailing. As our boat is not that big, I had to move a cooler and a 7yr old out of the way to get to her. I assume all your boats are cooler free or you store them below deck.
If Im panicking, I might think theres first aid stuff in a cooler. I once watched someone headbutt the glass window to an unlocked pull open door of a fire extinguisher holding box. Yes, he got glass in his face. People get stupid in emergencies. Do we really want to make the problem worse by making your own little SAW trap?
I'm literally NONE of those scenarios is moving the cooler anywhere near necessary.
Fire? I'm what case would rescuer need to lift the cooler. Is the order Beer, women and children first?
Explosions? An explosion is a very immediate problem. Assuming it was an explosion that didn't eviscerate the area than why would you need the cooler? To destress with a beer?
Sinking? If I'm sinking why would I grab a cooler instead of say a life raft or any other buoyant object around
Let's say there is an emergency situation and you have to rescue a person on a boat. However, there are things on the boat. And some of these things are on the way to rescue said person.
Would you ignore all the things on the way and drag the person across whatever clutter you found, or would you clear the way first? If you're a first responder, would you clear the area for first aid or yolo around whatever is on the way?
In every example I gave, objects might be obstructing the way to help people, especially if they are unconscious. Be it a cooler, a chair, a table, a treasure chest, whatever.
An explosion could even blast the cooler off the boat into land or water. If someone would ever grab the cooler to take it off the streets or clear the water, they could potentially hurt themselves as well.
There are way more scenarios where some random and innocent person could hurt themselves - especially if they're trying to help you - than there are scenarios where you would prevent something from happening. Unless that something is trying to hurt someone.
That's completely alright. For the few that are legitimately on the fence on the subject or don't actually understand why that'd be a problem, hopefully my explanation was enough.
Nah. The reality is that people crave blood and want to see people suffer without having to consider basic empathy. You see it in any discussion of self-defense. People spend time and resources picking out the right tool that will be the most fun to dismember another human and act like you're insane for saying that running away is the safer move. They phrase their future self-defense claims as "I got to" instead of "I had to". Hell, look at Jordan Neely. People cheered a public execution because the guy "made people uncomfortable". It doesn't take much to make people support truly horrific acts against other humans, and the idea of "criminals" is just another way to other those and justify any amount of violence. Like cutting someone's fingers off because maybe they were trying to steal beer.
It doesn't take much to make people support truly horrific acts against other humans, and the idea of "criminals" is just another way to other those and justify any amount of violence.
So true. The same people who spend all day whining about high crime would hate to live in a crime free society, because then they couldn't satisfy their grotesque bloodlust.
I'm playing devils advocate here, but technically if you open the lid of a cooler and flip it over its not a terrible flotation device depending on how large it is. Its all dependent on if the air trapped inside can offset your fatness.
Doesn’t matter, booby trapping anything in an attempt to injure or maim a thief, your dog, your neighbor, your best friend bill, the mailman, etc.. is a crime.
The tried and true reason that it wraps around to is that IF there is ever an emergency, people who are trying to help (first responders, bystanders, children and the like) can get severely injured.
Note: while most states don’t have a specific law addressing this, it falls under “liability for injury” laws most of the time.
That’s not a booby trap then. If I put razor wire on my fence to harm potential intruders, that’s a booby trap because the danger is hidden. If I put razor wire and then put a sign that says “caution, razor wire on fence” it’s no longer a booby trap because I’m letting people know of the danger.
That doesn't even matter. Let's say there were no razors on the cooler, and somebody did steal it. What would be the proper punishment for that? I'm not a judge or lawyer, but the punishment would probably be a fine, community service, and maybe some jail time. The punishment does NOT include severe physical damage to the suspect's hands.
By gluing razors to the cooler, you've extrajudicially given cruel and unusual punishment for the crime at hand.
Here's a video about a particular case and why the court ruled against the homeowners who set up a spring-loaded shotgun as a booby trap.
Iirc, the case involved an old couple that inherited a house that they didn't have time to visit/maintain, and were only ever there a handful of days out of the year. Locals caught on, and would regularly rob the house since nobody was ever there. So in one of the rooms, they set up a shotgun aimed at the doorway, with a string attaching the door to the trigger.
A burglar triggered the trap, and was hit in the leg, causing him permanent damage. So after he served his time for the crimes he committed, and still suffered chronic pain from the injury, he sued the homeowners. He already paid his debt to society with the jail time, yet he was still being punished for the crime for the rest of his life.
It wasn't even that the couple was there a few days of the year. It was literally boarded up and had been vacant for a decade, with high weeds covering the house. The guys that triggered the trap thought the farmhouse was abandoned.
And for some reason, the owners thought this boarded up, dilapidated, weed covered old farmhouse that they didn't spend time in, was somehow important enough to defend with deadly force. And they didn't even express any remorse after. On the contrary, they remarked "There's one thing I'd do different, though: I'd have aimed that gun a few feet higher.". Some real sociopath shit.
Keep in mind that the community essentially failed to respect their property: they were worn thin. The punishment meted out to them was just, but please try not to dismiss their concerns as merely sociopathic. Picture not having much and not being able to sell a house you inherited and then everyone apparently just stealing shit to make it even more unsellable every time you do turn up, with the cops giving a shrug.
tbh if you are hoarding houses that you don't need, I don't care at all about it getting hit by burglars.. Like, sell it or at least rent it out. What were they going to do, just hold onto it and let it fall into disrepair until they die and someone has to tear it down?
Its like, the classic example because it is so easy to do. In 1882 someone patented it for a mousetrap (I'm not super well versed in boobytraps, but I googled it and this is the first thing that came up). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-powered_mousetrap
Strange that the law allows hiring a cretin like George Zimmerman to patrol your property but forbids a mantrap, which is arguably less likely to harm the innocent.
This is great, that fact that such a device COULD be used it has to be in specific circumstances just like regular self defense is described made me learn stuff today
I’m a civil trial lawyer, that case is extremely influential and is taught in every 1L torts class. You make good points.
Another consideration for people booby trapping: using lethal force to defend property is murder. Using force likely to cause serious injury to defend property can and will be charged as attempted murder. Do not do this.
You are a 10 year old child visiting a relative.
Should you have been playing on the boat? Probably not.
Is having your fingers cut off a reasonable punishment? Fuck no.
He's chatting to his next door neighbour, having just affixed the razor blades to the coolers and, mid conversation, takes ill and falls unconcious. The neighbour is first aid trained, so he hops up on the boat and, in order to create room to perform CPR, moves a cooler out of the way. His hands are then cut open by razor blades.
I’m with this guy . Obviously he has had a constant problem with theft of his coolers before. He tried the “trust your neighbor” route, it shit on him and now he has referred to these measures.
I park my boat at public stare parks, I bring family and friends with. They help with boat loading and unloading. Say they are in the boat,and need to move a cooler. Well now I don't have friends after their hands get razored off, and they bleed out and die waiting 90 minutes for an ambulance.
Children don't follow the same rules of logic that an adult does, have the same concept of ownership and will do things for for very different reasons that do not line up with adult thinking.
Now name one legitimate reason that justifies your booby trap cuttiing and severly damaging the fingers of a child who very well have what they think is a legitimate reason for picking up a cooler that isnt theirs which is parked on their families or their neighbours property.
Because that's not the only context that cooler will ever exist in. Family comes over, curious kids go playing with the boat, oops, little timmy's in the hospital.
They're the victims when someone is intentionally targeting them or gross negligence, if you're using a gun properly for self defense that doesn't happen
It's more because causing intentional harm or death to another person is already a crime. Using a Rube Goldberg machine to stab someone with a knife is still stabbing someone with a knife no matter how many degrees of separation you pretend there are.
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There was a case 50 years ago involving someone booby trapping one of their vacant buildings with shotgun/tripline traps. A burger burglar got his leg blown off and the property owner had to pay him $30k.
The thing is, who's going to call the police and report something like that? "Hello police, I was stealing something and the owners booby trapped the thing I was stealing."
I once added salt to a teapot to prank my family. I forgot and was the first to drink it 💀. I don't do pranks anymore.
Another fun story: I used to prop a box of Kleenex on top of a door that's slightly ajar so it would fall on people's head as they pushed through the door. My little cousin tried to do the same thing. He couldn't reach so used a chair. Fell and broke his arm 💀🤭😂
Best prank that is the worst, rubber band around the sprayer in the kitchen sink, pointed toward the user. Unless they are the type to 'pull it out' before starting the sink, it won't work.
Mom early in the morning right after she wakes up... We knew it worked because we got a hell of a screaming in our rooms
I would 110% forgot the second I finished gluing them on and destroy my own hand then in a fit of rage grab another by the handle to throw it 🤣 I couldn’t even do it because there is no way I would remember grab handle bleed out 🩸
🏆 congrats to the guy that just lined yourself up to get sued out the ass by a criminal most likely and posted the evidence to Reddit to top it off you even put identifiable property to the crime occurred 😂
How embarassing would the situation be. "Hey so umm I would like to press charges because I got injured while I was stealing a box that had razors glued to it."
You could prolly put some kind of yellow and black striped tape on the handles to warn yourself, doubt it would slow down anyone else that intends to steal it
this is why booby traps are illegal. they often get the maker or someone unintended, like a child. This person who set it up should go to jail. Cant cut off a teenagers fingers because they stole yer shitty beer.
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u/stevegannonhandmade 5d ago
Guaranteed I would forget I did that after only like 5 minutes; then I'd cut my own fingers off!