r/NYKnicks 12d ago

[Windhorst] OG Anunoby is not ‘thrilled’ with the Knicks’ current offer and will test the market: “Let’s keep an eye on that. Most people believe he will stay with New York, but there have been indications he may want to test the market, because he’s not thrilled with what the Knicks are offering.”

https://x.com/thedunkcentral/status/1803103077999800398?s=46
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u/DoobieMcGruff 90s Knicks 12d ago

He will realistically end up with a 4 year / $160 Mil contract. My guess is the Knicks started at 4 years / $120 Mil or something like that.

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u/Urban_Introvert Nova Boys 12d ago

Exactly. The first offer is never the final offer. It’s just the starting point and Leon doesn’t even expect OG to accept it. Both sides will go back and forth until they agree on a number that’s best for both sides.

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u/been_mackin 12d ago

Michael Scott Paper Company knew this well.

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u/BiasedChelseaFan 11 12d ago

I’ll see your situation and raise you a situation.

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u/mostlyfire 12d ago

Wouldn’t you rather a fishing pole than a fish?

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u/SpaceballsTheCheese 12d ago

I hate fishing. I’ll take the fish

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u/snssound 12d ago

"You have no idea how high I can fly"

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u/r777m Latrell Sprewell 12d ago

Insane that a low ball offer for OG is lower than JB’s current contract.

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u/heliumointment Bobby's Knick Hat 12d ago

true, but that's just 2 years of cap + production (timing). if JB were re-signing right now he'd be getting as much or more than OG

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u/NutsyFlamingo 12d ago

It may even be $140-$160M that he’s looking for… but w/ a gotta be available to play in games stipulation.

The details are almost more a negotiation than the headline money.

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u/PolarRegs 12d ago

If he gets that offer without stipulations from someone else there are no details to negotiate you just have to match.

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u/Fresh-Soup213 The Bronx 11d ago

Philly just might give that to him. He’s a perfect fit with Embiid and Maxey

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u/ttttyttt678 12d ago

Naw I don’t think he gets 40 mil a year, think around 34ish a year. Think he wants 40 mil a year, but teams are hesitant cause of injury concern.

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u/vasixer 11d ago

Sixers will give it to him.

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u/DjangoUBlackSOB 6d ago

Nah he's probably trying to get us for more than that since he can. If I'm OG I'm gunning for $200 we gotta pay him anyway.

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u/SLAYTR911 12d ago

OG Anunoby: 0 time All-Star, spent his time on the Knicks INJURED. OG is no superstar but demands a +35mil a year salary. OG deserves no more than $20 mil, maybe 18. Barely there during the regular season as well as the playoffs.

https://preview.redd.it/zailiaxhbg7d1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edac31216a0f748588e99bcdb2df0f4cec7a2356

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u/BrutalLiberal 11d ago

Maybe when the cap was around 110-120M. People have to accept that salaries for most players, especially the premium roleplayers will look way bigger than what it used to be because of the rising cap. 

 If we consider, that the cap is supposed to go up by +15M every year because of the new TV deal, I would say OG is worth around 30M, maybe with 5M bonuses on top per year. So a 4/140M deal, and 20M of it are somewhat likely bonuses (he has to play 80% of the games, make the playoffs)

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u/RareShoulder1556 11d ago

shhhh Reddit GMs hate logic and critical thinking

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u/Jebediah-Kerman-3999 11d ago

Yeah but since now paying the luxury tax is a bit more difficult, teams are starting to realise that "being eligible" doesn't mean "must offer"

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u/Dependent_Store952 12d ago

We’ll end up paying him

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u/zOmgFishes 12d ago

Yea I don't see a world where they don't pay him. They gave up their two best young asset for him. Those two guys would have combined to make 50+ mil annually anyways. He's getting his money.

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u/CaroleBaskinsBurner 12d ago

Not to mention the way we almost instantly crumbled without him in the second round.

The Knicks cannot afford to let him slip away. Both sides know that.

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u/rmacthafact 12d ago

even tho it’s not a restricted contract, i have a feeling that OG will give us the chance to match any higher offer

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u/ShawshankException 7 12d ago

I mean, it's a classic negotiation tactic. Lowball and then work up from there. I highly doubt Leon ever intended to come right out the gate with max money.

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u/AutisticFingerBang 3 to the Dome 12d ago

We have to based on what we gave up.

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u/hoslayer42 12d ago

It’s either pay a lot for OG or let him walk for free.

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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals 12d ago

yup he has us by the nuts, but I feel like something has already been worked out and this is just smoke

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u/hoslayer42 12d ago

That’s the optimistic look. I say it’s a business. I think he might get his bag and stay here. I think those draft picks are gonna all be needed because our cap is gonna be tight.

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u/SirGingerbrute 12d ago

I noted this when we traded IQ (RFA) and 3.5 years left of RJ

Should’ve sent over some picks instead. Gave up like 8 years of control of guys under 24 for half a season of a guy

I love OG but seeing that Indy gave up like 19th pick and Bruce Brown (with a player option) for Siakam doesn’t sit right with me.

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u/explicitreasons 12d ago

IQ wasn't going to get the role in NY that he wanted & Knicks weren't going to pay him starter's pay to be a backup. RJ I think they just admitted that they didn't want him or his contract around.

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u/BenAfflecksBalls Mitch's Block Party 11d ago

RJ they did what was right for him. He was not profiling and styling in NY and they sent him to Toronto and he balled out and finally looked like a #3 pick.

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u/baylixir The Strickland 12d ago edited 12d ago

RJ was one of the worst contracts in the league when we traded him.

Also, let’s be perfectly honest. Trading IQ was more optimal than firsts because ultimately, we weren’t paying IQ. The firsts are for the next move, which we know is going to happen.

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u/zOmgFishes 12d ago

RJ's contract was essentially role player money. It was not nearly as bad as people made it seem. For reference, guys who made the same amount as money as him this year are Wiggins, Jordan Clarkson, Rozier, Brogdon, John Collins, Brice Brown.

His inconsistency was an issue and trading him was the right move but the contract itself is not nearly as bad when you look at the overall nba landscape.

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u/Distinct-Pangolin112 Latrell Sprewell 12d ago

His contract wasn't bad at all. It's actually a great contract since he started playing better in Toronto. 

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u/jett1406 Julius Randle 12d ago

No it wasn’t - that’s just parroted by idiots who haven’t watched him since his rookie year and don’t understand that contracts have gone up since 2012

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u/Lite_Heart 12d ago

rj was on 30 mil per year. you have to give out salary at some point

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u/plzkevindonthuerter 12d ago

Rj made 23.8 last year

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u/heliumointment Bobby's Knick Hat 12d ago

we got absolute max value for IQ and RJ

also do you really think we were getting OG with picks instead of them?? we have like 4 late first rounders lol

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u/whydoesgodhateus 11d ago

Should’ve sent over some picks instead. Gave up like 8 years of control of guys under 24 for half a season of a guy

Wasn't it reported that Toronto preferred players over picks?

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u/CanadianGroose 11d ago

Bruce Brown has a team option (not player), so the raps can choose to accept or decline. They will likely accept and trade him for a late 1st or multiple seconds. Maybe to the Knicks lol.

They also got the 19th pick, which could’ve been the 16th pick if not for insane bad luck losing a 4-way tiebreaker. The 29th pick which they turned into Kelly Olynyk and Ochai Agbaji, and then a future 2026 1st which will likely be late if the Pacers are good then. The OG trade was certainly better value for Toronto, considering they got rid of Malachi and Precious too, and got the 31st pick.

IMO, the Knicks should try and convince IHart to stick around and compete for a ring next year. A healthy Knicks team can beat Boston. Trade Bojan and picks for someone better.

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u/Drak_is_Right 11d ago

Indy gave up I think 3 1sts this draft (Celtics and denver), a draft that is considered subpar.

Indy had a longer timeline, they could have afforded to sit pat with all their young talent. Left the raptors with no leverage and a shrinking market.

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u/The_Living_L 12d ago

Knicks will prolly pay him what he wants but don’t want to start the offer with anything crazy cause they want to see his market, they could also be playing with fire by giving him a contract he hates making him want to leave

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u/BushyBrowz 12d ago

Yeah I’m a bit concerned by this. He’s essential to our success and Philly might drop in with a crazy offer and snatch him if we’re not careful.

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u/Casamance Immanuel Quickley 12d ago

No choice. We gotta pay him. He's the third most important player on this team after Brunson and Randle IMO.

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u/admiral_aubrey 12d ago

Honestly think he might be second most important, look at the record when he played. They were 26-5, and that includes tough playoff games. That's a 69 win regular season pace. Good lord.

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u/LordTiddlypusch 12d ago

When he's actually available, sure.

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u/datatadata 3 to the Dome 12d ago

I honestly have never seen this guy looking thrilled about anything. So not worried about him being not thrilled 😂 This guy is like Kawhi Leonard 2.0 with close to zero emotion

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u/SpeclorTheGreat 12d ago

I’m sure OG is looking at the contract that 34 year old Jrue Holiday got from the Celtics as a reference. Jrue got 4/134 and OG’s contract is definitely going to beat that considering he is going to be in his prime and the fact that he has a lot more defensive versatility than Jrue does.

I definitely think this contract is going to end up being around 4/160, and I don’t think that’s an overpay considering how much the cap is going up per year.

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u/Dylan7346 NOVA 12d ago

Don’t mean to split hairs but I think 4/150 would be more fair. We’re talking about a role player, yes a highly valuable one but still a role player nonetheless and one that consistently has weird unrelated injuries

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u/N00BBuild Melo Stare 12d ago

OG plays way less than Jrue though.

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u/Boomslang2-1 Hart 12d ago

Ok? Tell that to OG I guess. “Hey we know you have the option to leave and go play somewhere else but have you considered that we should pay you less since you get hurt a lot?”

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u/N00BBuild Melo Stare 12d ago

Who has offered him a max yet? Honestly letting him leave wouldn’t be terrible.

I like his game and he fits our team a lot, but a max for OG who plays 45 games a year is not ideal.

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u/SpeclorTheGreat 12d ago

One other team that could offer him more is the Sixers. There is no way in hell we can let that happen. We don’t know what the Sixers are going to do with their cap space so I think it’s a good idea to see how things develop over the next few days.

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u/Boomslang2-1 Hart 12d ago

Ok but without OG there is 0% chance we compete for a title. With OG I don’t see any reason we shouldn’t be high end contenders. It’s been like 20 years since we were relevant why can’t we just ride this team that is the most talented Knicks team of most of our lives. Ffs.

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u/N00BBuild Melo Stare 12d ago

Because chances are OG misses the playoffs and we have 50M$ of payroll on our IR. He’s a great piece but way too injury prone.

Top 10 on defense, limited but decent offensively.

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u/Boomslang2-1 Hart 12d ago

Alright well then goodbye championship window with Brunson. OG is what we spent our assets on. IQ and RJ. No perfect magical unicorn is going to fly in and win us a championship. We have what we have built for the past 5 years. We have a deep team and a trio of stars. I think it’s much more likely than you think for OG to be healthy in the postseason.

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u/JNerdGaming Brunson 12d ago

not sure if windhorst is trustworthy

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u/NutsyFlamingo 12d ago

Can’t trust anyone during negotiation season. If we’re hearing something it’s only because it’s advantageous for one side to put it out there.

This isn’t reporting, it’s repeating.

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u/NYdude777 Wu Tang Knicks 12d ago

And it's not like Leon Rose's son would put this shit out there to clown on his own father. Shit like this would want to be pushed out there from teams like Philly who want the public narrative to be chaotic.

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u/mikesh8rp Wu Tang 12d ago

Also possibly smokescreen to avoid any tampering accusations with it being Leon’s son

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u/NutsyFlamingo 12d ago

..and if your agent is the son of the boss you’re negotiating against.. in order to show your client you don’t have a conflict of interest you need to appear to be negotiating stronger.

It’s all a game, the agent is human has to show his client it’s a fair process more so in these situations.

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u/TheflavorBlue5003 BANG! 12d ago

Just want to correct what ive been seeing. Leon's son is not OGs agent. He is affiliated with the team that represents OG, but his son is not OGs main point of contact.

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u/WorldWideBeats Mitchell Robinson 12d ago

Leon rose’s son is not OG’s main agent

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u/Ilovecharli 12d ago

My favorite theory 

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u/dcsox721 11 12d ago

He's not. In the Donovon Mitchel talks 2 years ago Windy was putting all the pressure in the world for the Knicks to give into whatever Ainge wanted. He's doing the same here. And I will never forgive him for painting Brunson as a flopper this year. Fuck Windy.

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u/Snooze_World_Order Charles Oakley 12d ago

Walrus motherfucker

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u/6thmanbrandon Confused Woodson 12d ago

☝️🤨☝️

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u/ofxemp 12d ago

Alan Hahn already said on his radio show around 2pm that Knicks didn’t even make an offer yet

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u/KernelMuster 12d ago

he had never been. not sure why people take his takes as gospel he's always been a bullshitter. has no sources so he just makes up stuff that sounds accurate

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u/Saucy_Totchie Beyblade 12d ago

He's not lol. Local beat writers for the Knicks aren't even trustworthy either. Leon Rose runs an extremely tight ship. If Lebron didn't exist Windhorst probably wouldn't have had a career.

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u/Swankyyyy Mike and Clyde 12d ago

I don’t know how much I believe this. Do we really think Leon Rose’s son is leaking displeasure to the media 12 hours after the start of the negotiating period?

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u/Clewdo Clyde Frazier 12d ago

With how tight lipped our front office was around his elbow injury - not a chance.

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u/kraftpunkk Headband RJ 12d ago

I don’t believe this report at all…

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u/JalenBrunsonsBurner 12d ago

Remember when we heard the WHOOOOLE of 2022 how we weren’t going to extend RJ? And I’m supposed to believe we won’t pay OG. Yeah ok lol

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u/Demo71 12d ago

Windhorst is not a Knicks guy. Our FO doesn’t really talk to the media. OGs representation is CAA which is basically an extension of Leon Rose. So how would Windhorst know anything that’s going on behind closed doors?

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u/nofaplove-it Julius Randle 12d ago

He has connections everywhere dude they don’t just make stuff up. Other Gm’s call him to tell them info to put pressure on deals etc

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u/Demo71 12d ago

The Knicks have done such an amazing job of keeping things quiet in house, I wouldn’t expect other GMs to know much about what’s going on either. Not even a full day has passed since the Knicks could begin talking to their own free agents. Other GMs could be speculating a bunch of nonsense for reasons beneficial to them.

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u/E-Miles 12d ago

This isn't an in-house report, it's a report about a free agent likely from his agent. His agent's job is to call around and talk with other FOs. So there are plenty of places this report could come from, none of which has anything to do with how the Knicks operate internally.

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u/Demo71 12d ago

His agent is w CAA which is essentially an extension to Leon Rose. I doubt they’re that dissatisfied mere hours from when the Knicks could begin negotiating. Once again Windhorst is not a Knicks guy. Perhaps if the report was from someone closer to the team I’d believe it. To this point none of those are reporting this. Not to my knowledge anyhow.

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u/E-Miles 11d ago

I'm not following your logic here. Someone closer to the team wouldn't report on the team upsetting a free agent. This is standard agent reporting to make it known their client is available. Rose might have a great relationship with CAA after his time there, they aren't going to do a worse job and get their clients paid less so that Leon gets to maintain his job with the knicks. The relationship is essentially consistent exposure and willingness to negotiate among CAA clients. That's not a guarantee with some teams and agencies (rich rich Paul and the knicks for years). It's not that the agents stop doing their jobs for the knicks.

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u/jett1406 Julius Randle 12d ago

They have leaked plenty this year, and a contract still hasn’t been signed.

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u/Demo71 12d ago

What have they leaked? Nobody seen the OG trade coming. Nobody seen the Bojan and Burks deals either. Everyone is speculating on the draft as well. Nobody knows what the Knicks are going to do except for the fact that they obviously want to re sign their own guys.

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u/jett1406 Julius Randle 11d ago

There were plenty of leaks about the injuries

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u/E-Miles 11d ago

The interest in OG had been linked months prior to the trade.

What's more been the story on this subreddit is people disregard all reporting because "the knicks don't leak" and then say there were no leaks for anything despite the fact that we've had consistent reporting on this team.

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u/Demo71 5d ago

Who leaked this Mikal bridges trade??? We don’t leak shit!!!!!! LGK

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u/E-Miles 5d ago
  1. This trade is huge

  2. It has been reported for weeks that the knicks were calling the nets about Mikal, people here just kept saying it wasn't going to happen

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u/Demo71 5d ago

Haha yeah right. Josh hart leaked it. Only thing reported was the obvious speculation that the Knicks would be interested if he was made available. No shit…and ofc everyone said it couldn’t happen.

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u/SimonSez_Reddit 12d ago

Yeah, it's nearly impossible... because we know no one else could possibly be talking before the free agency period begins. Golly, that would just be dishonest...

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u/Demo71 12d ago

24 hours later and still no one else is echoing Windhorst report. Yesterday Scotto, Bondy and Begley were saying that league wide expectation is for OG to return. I choose to believe the reports of those closest to our team. You can go on and believe every Knicks for clicks report if you want.

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u/coolmcbooty 12d ago

That kinda makes it even less believable. How would other teams know what OG and NYK is talking about when neither OGs team nor NYs front office is talking to that GM?

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u/nofaplove-it Julius Randle 12d ago

The scoop is he’s testing the market so other teams know that and will leak the info

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u/mattr1198 Bobby's Knick Hat 12d ago

Neither do I. If Woj, Katz, Begley, or Bondy said it, different story, but Windy is about as connected to the Knicks as Stephen A is. He's in league circles as an analyst, but the Knicks' FO is so tight sealed I don't think Windy would have a good read on anything. Heck Shams usually doesn't, and he's way more keyed in as a reporter. I still think we're going to have to give him over $35M AAV, which will hurt but is necessary for what OG brings.

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u/teknomatic The Dunk 12d ago

This news is not what you want to hear. But in negotiations, you never give your final offer at the start

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u/crototype 12d ago

Knicks4clicks™

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u/videsh Julius Randle 12d ago

Literally this. Why do you think they had hart and Randle doing the finals? To get us to tune in (it worked).

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u/Fishmike52 John Starks 12d ago

less than max is not thrilling. They will work it out. He's getting his bag. He's the player in our lineup we "just hope is healthy for the postseason" and he's worth it. He's such a difference maker and we have the depth to offset his stints on IR

If OG he were a pitcher who throw 102 with control. Sure he's misses games but when he's out there it's just a different look. There's also offense for Thibs to unlock here. This isnt just a 3&D guy. He should be viewed as our next Randle. From good to 3x all star

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u/VanGrants 12d ago

we do not have the wing depth to cover for no OG lol

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u/nephneph27 12d ago

I knew this was an absolute lock the second everyone was in the thread yesterday talking about how it was a forgone conclusion he was going to sign.

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u/ThrowSumDeesOnIt 12d ago

What irks me about this report are two things: 1. What got him out of Toronto to us was him saying he’d take less to sign with NY; otherwise he’d want $40M or more. 2. There’s probably a game of chess happening with the Knicks to stave off accusations of “insider dealing;” but everyone and they mama know what’s up.

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u/RealisticReception16 12d ago

Lol no one was saying he take less to come to New York. If that was the case he would stay in Toronto. He got traded because raptor knew he was gonna get paid and they didn’t want to pay him.

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u/chazriverstone 12d ago

While I'm almost certain we retain OG, I think the real worry here is that it dominoes into us being unable to afford iHart, which really concerns me. Our front office has been on a tear lately, though, so I guess I owe them some faith. I've probably just never wanted to 'run it back' with a team like I have with this one, so I guess I'll go burn some sage in the meantime

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u/dskatz2 Mike Breen 11d ago edited 11d ago

The two are unrelated. We will offer iHart the max we can and probably already have. The issue is that teams with cap space can offer a lot more.

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u/Truck219 12d ago

I’m gonna guess the Knicks put in some injury clauses that OG wasn’t thrilled with. They’re not gonna let him get away, nothing to get worked up about.

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u/NYdude777 Wu Tang Knicks 12d ago

Beware what you listen to and believe. Shit gets thrown out there from all different angles to create whatever narrative is trying to be pushed.

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u/MelKijani 12d ago

everyone has to look like they are doing their jobs and not like Leon’s son is OG’s agent and they settled this months ago

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u/RacinInTheStreet 12d ago

Has to be it right?

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u/MelKijani 12d ago

if memory serves me , there was even talk Leon wasn’t going to hire Thibs .

in hindsight does that even sound right ?

but if there was no attempt to make it look at least fair everyone would assume the Knicks were playing dirty which of course they are …but at least it looks like it’s on the level.

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u/depressedknicksfan1 12d ago

I trust the word of Knick beat writers like Katz and Bagley who both said it’s most likely that the Knicks retain both OG and Ihart over anyone not named Woj for ESPN sources.

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u/roly_gomez 12d ago

I'm not worried about this, he is coming back

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u/i-piss-excellence32 Shocked John Starks 12d ago

I thought alan hahn said that he hasn’t gotten any offer yet

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u/Joebobst 12d ago

When he was on the court we literally couldn't lose. Injuries be damned the upside is worth it.

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u/tconner87 11d ago

This is the only opinion a sane knicks fan should have

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u/Ornery_Plantain_4055 12d ago

Yikes, this makes me nervous

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u/nycjedi Father Knickerbocker 12d ago

Fake 📰 no reporters have accurately advised of Knicks plans or players feelings since Leon arrived. Summer BS per the usual

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u/heliumointment Bobby's Knick Hat 12d ago

people now acting like OG is a bum because he costs money

i love how many people truly believe there's like 8 magical NBA players who cost less than $20M/yr and blossom like JB

scared money don't make money

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u/Errenfaxy 12d ago

If he didn't miss so many games this wouldn't be an issue. Obviously the Knicks traded Quickly so they plan on signing OG. I just hope the gamble pays off, or his least healthy seasons are behind him. 

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u/322vette 12d ago

First pass offers are usually never “thrilling” - it’s how negotiations get started.

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u/spiked_cider 12d ago

Kinda surprised. I thought he was a shoe in considering they traded RJ and Quick for him and he did so well when he wasn't hurt. 

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u/zeezee2k 12d ago

Sixers will make sure we overpay him

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u/Mazinger31 12d ago

Brian Windhorst made this statement prior to the time the Knicks could make an official offer to OG. That in mind, I'm going to say Windy may have been fed a line to try to increase OG's bidding. Pretty typical sports agency shenanigans.

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u/sameoldknicks 12d ago

I can't imagine that the general framework of a deal wasn't discussed at some level of detail when they brought him over from Toronto. It also seems highly unlikely that they would intentionally disappoint him in the service of some transparent "negotiating tactic." But, as usual, this is all smoke behind closed doors with the Knicks, regardless of what's reported.

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u/denverknickfan 12d ago

This is non news. Of course he should test the market.

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u/thecrackisWack 11d ago

Im sure it’s a reasonable offer for a player that misses 1/4 of every season

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u/Jim-N-Tonic 12d ago

This is just to make it look good and untampered.

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u/STATnMELO650 Amare Goggles 12d ago

We're allowed to negotiate with him..

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u/SpecialistTrash2281 12d ago

Outside Woj or Beagley intake any Knicks offseason news with a grain of salt. Wind Horst is more tapped in with agents than FOs. Likely OGs camp put this out. Even if he is repped by Leon’s son. His son also wants to get paid. A higher salary means a higher agent fee.

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u/TeamPizza21 12d ago

If he actually goes to another team, it’ll be one of the worst trades ever in league history. We could’ve paid IQ

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u/QueAsc0 3 to the Dome 12d ago

OG going to the 76ers would set this franchise back 3-4 years. He will be the Knicks highest paid player next season. No doubt about it.

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u/Saucy_Totchie Beyblade 12d ago

Windhorst doesn't know shit about the Knicks lmao.

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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 12d ago

OG has literally all the leverage so it’s not surprising. We needed to make the trade to get his bird rights. But the downside is we have to match any offer, because we can’t afford to lose him.

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u/TheyCalledHimMrJ 12d ago

lol. Ok windy. The Knicks don’t say anything to anyone until deals are done and in this instance you can’t even say “must have come from the agent” since it’s Leon’s son and I doubt he’s leaking convos while negotiating with his dad.

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u/HipnotiK1 New York Token 12d ago

KNICKS FOR CLICKS

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u/Main-County-1177 12d ago

Do y’all seriously think we’re letting him leave lol

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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 12d ago

Not at all. But it wouldn’t shock me if he gets close to a max offer. It’s just smart business to use his free agent status as leverage.

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u/Main-County-1177 12d ago

Oh I agree. Personally don’t care what he gets paid at all, cap space grows so often anyway

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u/YanksJetsKnicks Clyde Frazier 12d ago

Absolutely, and the salaries are going to skyrocket in a few more years anyway. Especially with the injuries, it would be irresponsible for him not to look to cash in.

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u/KuntaWuKnicks Wu Tang 12d ago

Yall know how negotiations work right?

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u/Accomplished_Power_3 12d ago

Bro doesn’t deserve max money. Honestly 25 mil is fair for him considering he’s always injuries and is more of a defensive specialist. I’m sure the Knicks want to make salaries work to keep IHart too.

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u/solo118 Ewing to the Finals 12d ago

25m is not happening, that would be an insult imho.

Bare minimum is 30, but I think he gets closer to 35

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u/troveezus Beyblade 12d ago

25m? You’re gonna be disappointed he’s getting at least 8-10 mill more.

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u/NYerInTex NOVA 12d ago

Fair is what market will pay him - and that’s WELL above 25.

If you think 25 is fair then you are looking at a 100% without question future without OG, having given up some good assets to get him.

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u/Casamance Immanuel Quickley 12d ago

We offer him 25m and then the Sixers swoop in with 35m and steal him. 25m is an underpay.

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u/Jim-N-Tonic 12d ago

I’m guessing he may not like the performance based pay, considering his odd injury history.

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u/RealSteveScaf Priggy Smalls 12d ago

Do any of these descending deals the Knicks have been doing play into factor here? Can we do the same with OG and somehow lopside the contract?

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u/BogeyJones12 12d ago

I read this headline as a headline that I read

Side note: I hope we pay him

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u/IslesDynasty79-83 12d ago

153 million for a guy that played 29 of 61 games since the trade, and now its not enough smh

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u/Acceptable_Pop4515 OG 12d ago

What’s nuts is that for as good as he was for the Knicks, the Knicks also put him in the right position to be that successful. Raised his value but we need him.

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u/IllustratorRadiant97 12d ago

Noooooooooooo we can’t lose him!

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u/Lite_Heart 12d ago

What if a team tells him: "we have an offer for you but if you like it you have to take it immediately." no GM will sit politely waiting for their offer to get matched

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u/Living_Internet_2970 12d ago

He ain’t goin nowhere

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u/OhtaniMets99 12d ago

Not ideal

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u/Lonnie_Shelton 12d ago

Extraordinarily valuable player in the Knicks scheme. But boy does he get hurt a lot.

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u/aziancook 12d ago

This is the art of negotiation. He ain't going anywhere. Hopefully OG takes around 35 ish mil a year. 

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u/capitalistsanta 12d ago

The fact that he was able to single cover Prime Giannis and Prime Embiid makes him as much of a superstar as anyone who can score in bunches. Bro deserves every dollar to be able to do that because I don't know if I've ever seen that before him.

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u/caviar_papi 11d ago

I didnt dig deep into our roster , but with all these great talent we have will require a lot of money to retain them. Will be tricky if we aquire a marquee free agent unless we trade

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u/BenAfflecksBalls Mitch's Block Party 11d ago

We told him what we think his market value is. Until the market changes that offer let Leon know and he will fix it.

This isn't hardball or anything - we clearly want him back but we gave him a number with a challenge to come back with something. If he comes back with an offer above it, it'll happen unless this is some arcane Leon and Gerson thing where somehow we end up better without him? I can't imagine how and not even going to poke that.

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u/bobopedic33 Hart 11d ago

Why are they messing around? This should've been a big offer with no room for exploring the market...

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u/ShOwTiM3- 11d ago

My goodness hate the offseason, all garbage, they're negotiating for crying out loud. Its the stipulations on x amount of games played where they're probably most going to discuss on. Yall think any other team interested in him wouldnt do the same. unless you're detroit or some bum team rn

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u/mkane1013 11d ago

It’s hard to swallow but $35-40 million per year is the norm for “just below superstar” players which is what OG is. I ultimately don’t think the Knicks will let him slip away over something like $5 mil per year.

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u/LJPinstripes 11d ago

cap cap cap

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u/gabrielcev1 11d ago

Im weary of this because he is injury prone and demands a big contract. He's a tremendous player but this could blow up in our face. Pay him what he wants but I just hope he stays healthy. He is just a perfect fit on this team, when we had OG healthy Knicks went undefeated for a few weeks if I recall. He's like the final piece of the Exodia

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u/M-Orts_108 11d ago

If he plays every game throughout the season , as we all know , he's worth every penny... He's the most selfless game changer there is right now but if he plays only half the season and takes up all that salary space it will be a disaster

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u/StrongZucchini27 CAA 11d ago

baron von windhorst

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u/Savages_in_box 11d ago

Let's be honest. OG is injury prone and will never survive a full season under Thibs.

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u/KingJoe7-123 11d ago

Please just give him his 4yr/$150M deal and move on already.

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u/BirthdayAncient1353 4d ago

Does anybody think he deserves the max?

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u/AirAnt43 12d ago

Hes an incredible defender who cannot create his own shot and who rarely completes a full season. Good. Dont over pay. In Rose we trust.

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u/Acceptable-Box7439 12d ago

I don't know if you noticed this but the team was playing like .800 winning basketball when he played

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u/AirAnt43 12d ago

Oh yeah how'd that work out against a bullshit Pacers team? 😂😂

*when he played 😂😂

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u/AirAnt43 10d ago

You are also right. I am wrong. My bad. 

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u/RacinInTheStreet 12d ago

Cant let him walk for nothing thou

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u/AirAnt43 10d ago

You are right. I am wrong. My bad. 

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u/No_Performer_9845 Sprewell Celebration 12d ago

Yeah, Windwarts, the fat fuck who's made a career following Lebron's jock drippings around the country.

This FO is not going to let someone who literally turned this franchise into a behemoth go anywhere else. They paid JHart, they will pay OG.

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u/yourlilpissboi Boston Celtics 12d ago

Yooooooooo? No way this is true. If so I still think it takes a lot for him not to resign with the NYK

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u/magnavoice 12d ago

Whose his agent again?

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u/Hemispheres33 Larry Johnson 12d ago

This contract was supposed to be a done deal once we gave up RJ and IQ. Would be a disaster class move by Leon if he fails to get it done.

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u/Tasty-Concern-8785 12d ago

They’re obviously going to resign him

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u/2zal0te4ib 12d ago

Don’t buy it

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u/IM_FIGHTING_HAIRLOSS MSG Network 12d ago

twitter link

into the trash it goes

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u/OldJewNewAccount Clyde Frazier 12d ago

Oh my god here we go lol. Every fuckin offseason.

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u/PineappleTraveler Van Gundy on Zo 12d ago

Windhorst? More like Windbag

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u/Norby710 Queens 12d ago

Ah seems the Knicks are as dumb as the fans. Offensive numbers only baby.

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u/lilslugger2 12d ago

He's going to re-sign with the Knicks. I think og's agent is hearing that other teams won't pay big money. So they're planting stories to get Knicks to pony up more money.

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u/saltyalertt Metal Bats 12d ago

Yawn

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u/Belovedchattah 12d ago

You have to take into account that he’s always hurt, as much as I love him.

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u/WorldWideBeats Mitchell Robinson 12d ago

Can everyone stop saying oh OG has Leon’s son as his agent, he is one of several agents he has and is not his main agent, that’s from Katz

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u/aaronisnotcool 12d ago

windy trying to get clicks 😂

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u/HevalMasiro 12d ago

Great talent. Difference maker for sure. Struggles being healthy as a Knick. Would hate to overpay for an injury prone player.

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u/No-Abbreviations4480 12d ago

if it wasn't for his injuries it'd be a no brainer, but if it wasn't for his injuries he wouldn't be on the knicks

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u/TacomaTuesdays2022 12d ago

I’m trying to figure out how much money will OG, Randle, and JB are going to get and how much of the cap will be left with iHart trying to get paid and Hart’s contract?

The Knicks have two more years to win a championship and seeing the Celtics win it makes me think that it’s going to be Celtics vs Knicks ECF for the next 2-3 years if Thibs doesn’t run down our starters before the playoffs starts.

I don’t see us keeping iHart with Jared Allen available.

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u/jett1406 Julius Randle 12d ago

I got clowned and downvoted hard when I said I wouldn’t feel comfortable until pen was put to paper and a contract was signed.

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u/IAmKolossus 12d ago

Great player, when healthy. Sure as hell not worth more than 30 million a year, especially with his injury issues. Only way he gets 40 per year from us has to be with minimum games or minutes played per game played.

Sorry OG. You're great for the team but not at that price.