r/facepalm • u/JustDoinWhatICan • 3d ago
The debate in a nutshell š²āš®āšøāšØā
Our political system is the facepalm
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u/GayjinEntertainment 2d ago
"Trump what are you gonna do to help drug addicts in their struggles?"
"Theborderthebordertheborderthebordertheborder"
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u/The-Catatafish 2d ago
My personal favorite was the children one.
Imagine you get asked about how to help children and their parents.. Which is so easy. Just say children are important, our future blabla.
He falls back to ukraine and doesn't mention children at all. I mean he didn't answer a single question but that one was so funny to me.
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u/NovaThinksBadly 2d ago
He was quick to answer the porn star one lmao
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u/CexySatan 2d ago
Biden: āYou molested a woman in public and had sex with a porn starā
Trump: āā¦ I didnāt have sex with a pornstarā
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u/bigdave41 2d ago
I don't understand the emphasis on the porn star bit tbh, I couldn't give a shit how many porn stars a politician has slept with, what I'm more concerned about is paying them off with campaign money and then illegally concealing that fact.
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u/JonathanWPG 2d ago
Agreed.
The juice is him lying on taxes/financial disclosures in order to hide it from the American people. But he didn't touch the actual point.
Nobody gives a fuck that Trump is cheating on his wife.
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u/bigdave41 2d ago
Apart from his wife perhaps - but I think she probably went into it knowing full well what the situation would be and is waiting it out for his diet to finish him off.
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u/leeryplot i killed mufasa 2d ago
My grandma is convinced that sheās been paid to marry him lmao
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u/Gloomy_Evening921 2d ago
I mean, in the barest sense of the word, she gets to "improve" her status and lifestyle and all she has to do is let his handler know when he's shit himself. And probably had to pee on him once or twice.
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u/beepbooponyournose 2d ago
Are you kidding? Melania probably thanks the gods heās getting it somewhere else so he wonāt touch her lol
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u/OdiousAltRightBalrog 2d ago
It's just strange that his biggest supporters are evangelical Christians. The same ones who wanted to impeach Bill Clinton because he was "morally bankrupt".
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u/SuperJoe360 2d ago
The bible is just an excuse to feel superior over others. They don't care about actually following it.
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u/somethingrandom261 2d ago
Youāre not the target audience.
Democrats care about the laws broken.
Republicans claim to care about morality, and the candidate cheating on his pregnant wife with a porn star should turn moral people away from him.
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u/JohanRobertson 2d ago
Americans are obsessed with sex scandals in politics for some reason, it's been like this for decades. Just look at Bill Clinton, nobody cares about his political career, we all care about him getting a blowjob from Monica. Was the same with JFK and Maryln Monroe. Is not just in our own Country though, we love making up rumors of foreign sex scandals as well. Like Rasputin having sex with Russian queen, Trudeaus mother having affair with Castro and so on.
I suppose it's because sex sells and Americans are all a bunch of degenerate sex fiends.
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u/mechengr17 2d ago
I think you missed the biggest wtf from that response
He completely ignored the assault accusation. He only denied the porn star portion
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u/bigdave41 2d ago
With Trump there's so many wtfs to choose from lol. You could easily take two weeks going through all the nonsense he was spouting, figuring out what the hell he was on about and then pointing out that each thing is a lie.
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u/Immaculatehombre 2d ago
When Biden said he had sex with a pornstar he smirked and shook his head yes lol. I laughed my ass off.
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u/Terrible_Use7872 2d ago
I mean, Bill didn't have sex with an intern either. It just depends on your definition of sex.
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u/CexySatan 2d ago
Iām pointing out he didnāt deny the molestation accusation. He could have said neither were true but singled out the latter
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u/badmutha44 2d ago
He couldnāt deny it, or it would be back to court for more penalty. Thatās why his judgment for her is so high as it is.
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u/beaverbait 2d ago
He paid good, possibly embezzled, money for people to hush about one of them. Just trying to get his monies worth.
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u/GreyBoyTigger 2d ago
Not possibly. He was found guilty on 34 counts of misappropriation of campaign funds (read: embezzlement) to pay a porn star for her silence and a garbage rag to bury the story.
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u/MangoBandicoot 2d ago
It depends on what the definition of the word āisā is.
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u/Terrible_Use7872 2d ago
She didn't orgasm so Trump is still a virgin.
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u/TehMephs 2d ago
That makes a lot of men whoāve got a lot of notches in their belt still virgins
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u/PunishedWolf4 2d ago
I cannot believe even a quarter of what was said at an American Presidential Debate live in the year of our lord 2024
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u/Xenochimp 2d ago
Let's not forget Trump was accused of raping a 13 year old and it was actually set to got to court in back in late 2015/early 2016 (a civil trial due to statute of limitations). The case was dropped after Trump entered the presidential race in 2015 and someone leaked the girl's name
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u/Repulsive-Mirror-994 2d ago
Bringing up Ukraine when talking about children is a tasteless thing unless the next words out of your mouth is about making Russia Russia Russia bring back the children they have systemically kidnapped.
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u/jenguinaf 2d ago
That was gold, I think it started the first time with him having to continue talking about him not losing the election or whatever Biden threw at him during the last question and then when the moderators reiterated the question about childcare he went on a different tangent.
Trump doesnāt answer policy questions. He just doesnāt.
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u/Kriss3d 2d ago
Vote Randy Watson 2024 then...
He believea the children are our future.
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u/Squirrel_Whisperer_ 2d ago
Did you see what Biden did?
He turned an easy gimmie question on abortion into something nonsensical about immigration and where the moderators finally cut him off.
It was brutal to watch. I will vote for Biden's corpse if I have to and deal with Harris's presidency for four years but Democrats should strongly consider nominating someone else because we may lose again.
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u/Coleslawholywar 2d ago
Truth, Biden was a train wreck, but at least he surrounds himself with smart people and listens to them. Trump stood up there for 2 hours and told insane nonsensical lies all over the place. He then made fun of Biden for not firing those who donāt agree with everything he says. I really hope Biden steps down from the election. No one would blame him. His health isnāt great and his son is in trouble. Itās time to retire and spend time with his family.
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u/Squirrel_Whisperer_ 2d ago
Agreeing to the debates was catastrophic for Biden. Biden failed to counterattack on some super easy ones to pull off Reagan.
When Trump misattributed super predator comment to Biden (Hillary said it), Biden could have joked about Trump not being able to tell Joe and Hillary apart and then has the gull to call him senile....or putting out full page ad to convict five black kids(central park 5) later found innocent in 1989...
or when Trump claimed Democrats support 'aborting' babies several days after birth...Biden could have made fun of Trump and said that's literal murder and you have to be completely unhinged to claim that...
But sadly Biden was a shell of himself....and that's without all the times he misspoke, froze up, went on tangents and said gibberish....
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u/brendankelley 2d ago
Yeah, I feel anyone more together would have been able to rip Trump a new orifice. Just once I'd like to see someone, anyone, challenge Trump for details on his lies in real time. Trump a master rhetorician and we make the bar so low for him, he's allowed to talk in hyperbolic generalities and so many people just believe him. It's driving me crazy.
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u/Funny-Guava3235 2d ago
Can we do some mental gymnatics on this one and say that Biden did that on purpose not to feed into the Faux News "Jacked up Joe" narrative?
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u/Squirrel_Whisperer_ 2d ago
To borrow Jon Stewart's bit from yesterday on the Daly Show...they both need to be on all the performance enhancers out there....
If I was a Biden advisor, I'd have told him to keep his responses super short. His abortion response was initially ok...then he went off the rails...
Biden was stressing way too much over getting numbers and figures right....Trump could give a f...he just lied nonstop with basic responses...which is also why he seemed considerably better...Biden needs to do what Trump did if he insists on staying in the race..
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u/PupEDog 2d ago
I keep imagining him at night in bed just crying, wanting to get out so bad, hurting all over and exhausted, confused etc and all the pressure from half the country to keep going. I feel bad for him, but he did choose to be a politician and he did choose to run.
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u/PeteGozenya 2d ago
What? He literally said he'd only run one term to beat Trump and then let someone younger come in.
He is doing this for himself, and there is no other reason.
If you want to pity someone pitty a person working full time and unable to afford living.
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u/goodheartedalcoholic 2d ago
that's what i don't understand, if we all agree trump is such a high level threat, why did the DNC pick this guy to go against him? do the secretly want trump to win?
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u/Squirrel_Whisperer_ 2d ago
I think most of them are denial or stuck in an echo chamber unwilling to acknowledge the reality ..
Someone young and quick witted like Obama would have wiped the floor with Trump yesterday...to borrow a baseball analogy...Trump was floating balls over the plate and Biden kept swinging wildly and missing each and every opportunity...except for a couple insults he remembered to sling Trump's way he was completely lost ..
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u/chuckart9 2d ago
The DNC is a mess. They havenāt had an actual search for a candidate since Obama won the nod in 2008.
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u/ganggreen651 2d ago
Kamala did an interview around a half hour after it was over and came off waaay better then these clowns did.
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u/RegrettableBiscuit 2d ago
I hope they give him the good drugs next time. Between the end of democracy and a walking corpse, I pick the walking corpse, but that doesn't mean he looks good on TV.
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u/Enjoying_A_Meal 2d ago
I want Biden to win, but I couldn't sit through that debate.
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u/Squirrel_Whisperer_ 2d ago
I forced myself to sit through the whole thing...it was tough ....
Biden is a decent guy but he needs someone to tell him what's been obvious to everyone for a while...he was necessary in 2020...now he's in such rough shape he may singlehandedly turn the presidency back to Trump...a truly scary thought...
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u/hypnos_surf 2d ago
This man is more worried about the dangers flowing in from the border. He doesnāt give a shit about the crazies he brews up domestically foaming at the mouth. Trump is just a beacon for all these people.
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u/gwicksted 2d ago
I heard they debated who was the better golfer. Sounds like they should both retire to golf together.
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u/MegamanGaming 2d ago
It's literally the only thing they actually debated. Outside of that little snippet was Biden struggling to form sentences, and Trump struggling to have his make sense through all his lies and rambling. A pathetic showing on both sides, embarrassment for the country on the world stage. I'm still voting Biden because his cabinet is what is doing the work, and trumps last cabinet was filled with criminals and wedding planners.
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u/OfficAlanPartridge 2d ago
Iām not American and this is the first debate Iāve ever watched. What surprises me is that Trump was able to blatantly lie and there was no fact checking happening while they were live.
For example accusing doctors of killing babies after they have been born (when discussing abortion rights)
How the hell can he say this! His followers will obviously believe him.
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u/Main-Glove-1497 2d ago
It was part of the agreement before the debate. Trump wouldn't show up if they were fact-checking live, so they agreed to do it after the debate. He was caught lying over 30 times.
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u/OfficAlanPartridge 2d ago
Well that says a lot!
āNo fact checking allowed, as we need to bs our way through thisā
And 30 lies in, what was it, 90 minutes of debate? Thatās pretty impressive
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u/Main-Glove-1497 2d ago
Yet, regardless, most people think Trump won the debate because Biden was so incoherent at times. Real impressive people we're picking to run the country, huh?
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u/OfficAlanPartridge 2d ago
I can only hope for the sakes of America, and the rest of the world to some degree, that Trump doesnāt get a second stint.
The man is dangerous: from denying of scientific facts like climate change and facilitating the riots on January 6. Not to mention the way his followers are treating Dr Fauci.
Biden and his team have at least repaired some of the fuckery that Trump created.
I know Biden doesnāt look fit for purpose but itās not all about rhetoric like you say.
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u/Successful_Ad8175 2d ago
Can America please just have an age limit for this job please?!
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u/Applicator80 2d ago
As an Australian it only indirectly affects me, but both are showing their age and only going to get worse and itās frightening that their parties are both supportive of them. Weād have knifed our leaders several times if they were as senile as these two.
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u/lookingForPatchie 2d ago
Two party system. Giving the people the choice between two absolutely senile potatoe. One more on the racist, sexist and cult leader side. The other one as old as time itself, can barely remember his own name.
Biggest failure point of what Americans call "democracy".
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u/Efficient_Ear_8037 2d ago
Trump is only 3 years younger than Biden to be clear, itās not that big of a difference.
Neither of them should be in office, they should be in a nursing home instead.
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u/ProxyCare 2d ago
As a former long term care worker, I've seen both of these men multiple times
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u/Breaky_Online 2d ago
Those 3 years did a number on ol' Joe, he's 3 years older now!
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u/secretbudgie 2d ago
He sounded worse tonight than he did 3 months ago. His brain's going faster than the rest. Kamala should have been on that stage, because if they win, she's up to bat.
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u/Western_Mud8694 2d ago
To be fair the presidency has always aged the person holding office tremendously, thatās why age limits are so important as well as a criminal background check and a certain amount of education and this goes for congress to, which everyone should be paying close attention toā¦ find out about your local representatives
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u/mynextthroway 2d ago
I can't get over Trump supporters attacking Biden's age. Less than one presidential term separates them.
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u/dm_your_nevernudes 2d ago
Remember when misspelling potatoe was the worst gaff possible.
Although given how much HW covered for Nixon and the cagey shit he did as CIA director, itās kind of funny that after the scandals and the dismantling of norms, what we remember is Danās spelling abilitiesā¦.
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u/Magenta_Logistic 2d ago
Who would've thought we would miss the guy who said "I wish I had learned Latin in school so I could communicate with all the people in Latin America."
At least it was just ignorance, and wishing he could bridge a gap.
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u/dancegoddess1971 2d ago
I, as a citizen, am deeply shamed by what the rest of the world saw last night. I'd like to apologize on behalf of my countrymen for that unseemly display of ... whatever that even was. But, it's not like we can petition the UN to intervene, can we? No, seriously, is there a form or petition we can circulate among us and sign to send to the UN?
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u/CuppaJoe11 2d ago
Idek if democrats support Biden, they would just rather him over the alternative.
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u/ElMatadorJuarez 2d ago
Eh. Yeah, itās kind of rough that both candidates are so old, but Bidenās had a pretty effective four years in office given the circumstances. Truth is, so much of the critical functions of the presidency are done by a team, and while he himself is clearly getting worn out he has a team thatās handled things about as well as they could under extremely difficult circumstances, even if I agree with some of their choices. I donāt love that heās the option we have, but you want to know how I know we can do so much worse? Look at the other guy. Look up Project 2025, the GOPās plan to go after no-fault divorce or Trumpās plainly stated intentions to wipe away the civil service and replace it with barely qualified cronies. A second Trump presidency would fuck the world so much that I honestly find it hard to care that Bidenās old; he could be an immobile plank of wood and heād still get my support.
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u/couchnapper3 2d ago
Don't act like Australia isn't a step ahead in the authoritarian department. Yall ain't exactly putting forward your best wither.
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u/EncabulatorTurbo 2d ago
okay, but Biden is just part of a party apparatus and Trump by his own words is running as a dictator (and he appointed his childrent o run everything last time)
so if they're both too old, if the king is going to die, I'll take the one who's written down everything he wants to do policy and administration wise so the next person can continue on
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u/TheKokomoHo 2d ago
Hey man, got any room in ur yard? I drink beer and punch roos just for fun sometimes. I won't steal your waves I promise. Lemme be a dingo kicker finally. It's wierd over here with these yanks. That's what we call Americans right?
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u/Sudden_Juju 2d ago
There should be an age limit for all elected officials (except maybe local ones idk). 80-year-olds aren't in touch with the average American and have much less of a stake in the future of the country. Not to mention the natural effect of aging on cognition, as well as the much higher potential for a dementing disorder to begin and affect daily functioning. Idk why they don't want to go enjoy retirement and instead want to work in one of the most stressful jobs in the world
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u/Persona_Non_Grata_ 2d ago
Yes. And term limits for both houses, please. The likes of Ted Cruz have the ability and voter base to give Joe Biden and John Dingle a run for their money. There is no reason why an elected official should serve from 1955 to 2015.
Both parties who love to go on and on about our forefathers seem to forget that the average age of the signers of the Declaration of Independence was 44 with a majority of them being under the age of 35. Benjamin Franklin was the oldest, and he was 70.
The median age for the presidets is only 55 when they have taken office. But when you have a requirement that you need to be at least 35 to run, you are already limiting yourself. Regan was 77 when he hung it up, and it's well documented that Nancy was really at the helm in his second term due to his cognitive decline. Eisenhower was 70 when he went in.
On the flipside, the youngest person to become U.S. president wasĀ Theodore Roosevelt, who, at ageĀ 42,Ā succeeded to the officeĀ after theĀ assassination of William McKinley. Kennedy was only 46 when he was assassinated. Obama was 47 when he entered the office of the President.
People in their 40s and 50s still encompass a lot of the workforce where people in their late 70s early 80s (such as my parents and in-laws are retired or work in a diminished capacity. They have no business being president or a member of congress when people their age in the fields of medicine, law, and commerce are forced into retirement in the private sector.
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u/VisibleCoat995 2d ago
And limit the power old white men? Are you crazy??? Youāll throw the whole system into chaos!!!
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u/huskerd0 2d ago
There are age limits but they are not enforced
For example the lower age limit is 35 on paper but the previous president was clearly a six-year-old at time of inauguration
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u/NoHillstoDieOn 2d ago
Being 78 or 81 years old and running for president is actually crazy when you think about it. I may not live to be 81. Hell, even running at 70 is crazy.
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u/circusfreakrob 2d ago
No shit. I will vote for a ham and diarrhea sandwich over Trump at this point...but Biden...damn. If he was my grandpa I would be thinking "yeah, gramps could go any day now."
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u/Lithl 1d ago
If he was my grandpa I would be thinking "yeah, gramps could go any day now."
My family switched our reunions from biannual to annual when my grandmother was in her 80s, because we weren't sure how many more reunions we'd have with her and her brother.
One year, everyone except for one second cousin arrived by Friday, my dad and his sisters agreed to hire a live-in nurse for my grandmother on Saturday, they called a doctor to schedule an evaluation on Sunday, and my grandmother died in the wee hours of the morning on Monday. It was like she was waiting to see all of her family one last time.
Then, since literally the entire family was already in town, we rushed to hold the funeral on Thursday, after that last second cousin arrived and before everyone left. Nobody had dress clothes for the funeral; we had packed for the beach.
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u/Loose-Horror-6192 2d ago
I work with older adults and I think about this often. Like y'all shouldn't be running at that age.
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u/Careful-Swimmer-2658 2d ago
Bodiam Castle in Sussex in case you're wondering.
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u/Deadened_ghosts 2d ago
My most visited castle.
And I see the 2nd largest castle in the UK daily (never visited it yet though)
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u/Cheap-Praline 2d ago
I did like how the first lady was there to meet Joe at the end and that they stayed and chatted while Trump stormied off all alone.
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u/Koltroc 2d ago
"stormied"
I see what you did
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u/Toxic_Jannis 2d ago
I don't, can you please explain?
Fyi i am not american and not really in the presidential lore, so could be a mere language barrier or just the absence of information
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u/Ilykecookies11 2d ago
Trump Scandal with Stormy Daniels
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u/Toxic_Jannis 2d ago
Ok ty
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u/Pawelek23 2d ago
And āstormed offā is a phrase for leaving angrily. Itās a double entendre.
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u/huskerd0 2d ago
The most recent physical affection Donald trump has received is what he paid an āescortā for, and her name is stormy Daniels
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u/testingforscience122 2d ago
Ya, was Joe at his best nooooo, but Joe is better on his sleepiest day than Trumps best day. Plus the economy is recovering under him, inflation is down from 7% to 3.3%. Roads are actually being repair, like they are working on them right now on the road I drive everyday, I havenāt seen new pavement in years in my area. I drive over like three bridge in my city that are being repair thanks to the infrastructure money, they had concrete straight missing before that. Two new factories are going in my city. Are things perfect, no, but I like theyāre some good things happening! Plus I donāt have to hear from Biden everyday, like Trump. These past 3.5 years have been so mich more peaceful!
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u/MunkyDawg 2d ago
Plus I donāt have to hear from Biden everyday, like Trump. These past 3.5 years have been so mich more peaceful!
Yup. I never thought I'd miss politics being boring, but it's kinda nice.
The only downside is that it seems most people don't realize all the good shit the Biden administration has gotten done because they just do shit and don't talk about it constantly. Under Trump, we heard from him all the time and he STILL didn't get anything good done.
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u/mechengr17 2d ago
This is something the Biden administration needs to work on
Trump has succeeded at the PR game. During all of his elections, he hypes himself up, taken credit for good things, pointed the finger for bad things, and dominated the media
The Biden administration just exists in the background. While Trump dances around shouting "Look at me, look at me", the Biden administration is toiling away trying to fix our systems. The media only seem to catch Biden when he looks senile.
My dad keeps bringing up the photo about Biden trying to eat an ice cream cone while riding a bike. Who's idea was that?
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u/Coleslawholywar 2d ago
Because there are people in Bidenās life that actually love him.
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u/ClubSundown 2d ago
Tickboxes. Old: Both Biden and Trump. Biggest liar: trump. Worst talker: Biden.
Personally I prefer a bad talker than a liar. Judge a person by their deeds, not their words.
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u/The-Catatafish 2d ago
Yeah, its kinda sad.
Replace biden with Obama there and the election is over. Literally.
There isn't even a discussion about arguments because trump didn't answer a single question.. But jesus biden seemed old as fuck yesterday.
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u/FudgeWrangler 2d ago
But jesus biden seemed old as fuck yesterday.
Honestly he has seemed (and been) old af for a long time. It has just gotten so bad they can't hide it anymore.
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u/marshmi2 2d ago
I was saying this during the debate. Put any other democrat up there next to trump and it would have been a no brainer. I think Biden's strategy should have been to keep mentioning water until Trump's brain short circuits and he goes on one of his weird rants about water and sharks.
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u/Firemorfox 2d ago
Hell yes I wish we could elect somebody like Obama again. Competent, eloquent, humorous.
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u/WailfulJeans44 2d ago
Trump isn't even good at talking. Better than Biden sure, but still pretty bad.
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u/shiny_glitter_demon 2d ago
he's good at producing loud sounds
the voice itself is hard to stand and the words make 0 sense
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u/Sudden_Juju 2d ago
He's good at speaking with confidence. That's all that matters to some people
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u/ClubSundown 2d ago
Trump did better than most expected at this debate. However we need to remind him just one good day is a drop in the ocean compared to everything before this debate, and more importantly in the upcoming months. I'm hoping those who state Biden debated badly will encourage his supporters not to be complacent and make sure they definitely vote in November. Plus Biden's State of the Union speech in March did at least get lots of praise. He also has plenty of opportunities to give other good speeches in the next few months
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u/Sauronxx 2d ago
Of course. The election is in November. We are at the end of June. There are god knows how many other occasions to make great speeches or even worst ones for both of them. Iām not an expert but Elections are not based around one debate. Though this certainly doesnāt help Biden right now, obviously.
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u/EntangledPhoton82 2d ago
An incompetent, narcissistic megalomaniac who is a slave to foreign interests (through his hunger for money and status), who is a convicted felon, who abducted classified documents, who wanted to overthrow the democratically elected government and who runs on a platform that wants to take away peopleās most basic rights (especially if those people are women, non-Christians or of color).
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A predominately competent and moral, if somewhat lackluster, president who is showing his age.
It is quite mind boggling that the election isnāt a forgone conclusion; with a landslide victory for Biden that would put results from the average dictatorship to shame.
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u/Ennaia 2d ago
As an outside spectator, this is exactly what I see and I cannot for the life of me understand how this could be considered a choice of who is the lesser of two evils. To me it seems more like a choice between evil and mild inconvenience.
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u/_SovietMudkip_ 2d ago
Unfortunately there's a vocal, politically engaged minority in our country who would take the evil over the inconvenience of uh... maybe having to pay more taxes and see gay people in public?
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u/SharpPixels08 2d ago
Yeah, that debate only reaffirmed what I already knew, I donāt like Biden but Trump can go rot in prison
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u/Calm-Homework3161 2d ago
At least Biden does what his party advisors tell him to.
Trump is just a loose cannon
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u/Jefflenious 2d ago
It's sad because if Biden was just 10 years younger Trump would be completely destroyed
That being said though, I don't understand how nobody is talking about Trump. Trump was a literal clown the entire debate, he threw a bunch of criticism at him but couldn't answer any of Biden's points, he pretended to be capable of ending both wars but funnily enough these were his solutions (speeding up Israeli operations which would cause a ton more deaths, and stop spending on Ukraine)
How aren't you fucking terrified of this man being in charge
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u/nmftg 2d ago
It doesnāt help that Biden haves to fight a stuttering problem
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u/mabhatter 2d ago
Biden clearly had practiced getting his talking points honed down to the 1-2 minute marks. He crammed a lot of stuff into each time he got to speak. Ā
But he was a little too focused on his talking points and it didn't feel like he was engaged in debating until halfway through. He didn't take command of the debate tone and pacing and got run over by the dumb guy talking louder.Ā
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u/chericher 2d ago
Whoever prepped him did the worst job possible. Ran him into the ground and completely neglected the fact that televised debates are not won on facts so much as perceived strength. Should have rested him up and worked on his facial expressions, posture and quips. They gave him such an overwhelming amount of talking points instead of working on his confidence. Made him practice so hard he lost his voice and maybe someone gave him a cold to boot. Probably prepped by other old men who don't know their limits either. Guy is so old but the prep made him more ancient. Would have come off better as regular old grampa dude caring about people and calling out Trump on "malarkey" etc. He's usually pretty endearing and he would have done better with no prep at all imo.
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u/Chytectonas 2d ago
Best possible take. But ever if Biden had had a stroke during the debate, weād vote for him.
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u/Critical_Liz 2d ago
Biden has a stutter, he's had it his whole life, why do people keep forgetting this?
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u/White_RavenZ 2d ago
If anything, it highlighted the problem of both parties fixating on ONE OLD GUY each to the exclusion of everyone else.
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u/TemporaryPay4505 2d ago
And yet there are still mexicans that think trump is a god......
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u/Nighteyes09 2d ago
Now, I'm not saying it's funny, but if you said that to a 16th century Spaniard he'd have a pretty witty retort.
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u/Chuyzapatist 2d ago
As a Mexican, Iāll never understand it. He literally calls us rapists. Didnāt he rape a girl with the help of his friend Jeffery? And didnāt he try to have his VP killed? He calls other people what he truly is.
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u/elephant35e 3d ago
Jeez Trump is the biggest liar and narcissist ever.
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u/UnpricedToaster 2d ago
"I didn't have sex with a pornstar." lol
Uh, a whole criminal case, 12 jurors, a judge, the guy you paid to hush her up, the pornstar herself ... OH AND the people you bragged about banging a pornstar would beg to differ!
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u/Juginstin 2d ago
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" 2: Electric Boogaloo
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u/chalky87 2d ago
I never thought I would say this but I genuinely feel sorry for Americans right now. Neither candidate is fit for office but there is no other choice.
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u/Feisty_Ad_2744 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't know what else would convince you the POTUS position has become a joke. The two party system and the lobbying must die, so we can have a chance to reset all the corruption and shittiness we are in.
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u/Lake_Shore_Drive 2d ago
The big news is Trump said Putin told him about invading Ukraine in advance?
Wait until the news media unpacks that one.
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u/Connvict91 2d ago
He told me it was his dream but cause I was in office he never did that, basically ehat he said. I was dumbfounded but is honestly probably a lie because everything he said was except for maybe his golf game
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u/hidinginthetreeline 2d ago
Biden is old, but trump is a traitor and a rapist. Given the choice Iāll vote for Biden.
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u/ClassicElevator9587 2d ago
For real question. I see a lot of people pointing out that Biden is not mentally fit enough anymore to be president. But seriously what is the harm there? In the end he has a whole team of advisors that follow him up and make the decisions with him. Advisors, I would think, are all like minded on his policies right?
Would it not make more sense to choose for the program instead of the person?
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u/RockerElvis 2d ago
I say this all the time. Iām voting for Biden because he puts competent people in important positions. Trump puts loyal cronies in those positions so that they can tear down the government. Itās an easy choice.
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u/THE-MESSY-KILL1 2d ago
I'd vote for Bidens corpse before I even entertain a vote for the rotten orange. The problem is gonna be people too apathetic to vote, the people who think their votes won't matter. We NEED voter turnout.
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u/leStrider 2d ago
Yeah, this is the part I don't get about American politics and your elections in general.
It's not Biden vs Trump!
It's an elderly buffoon who fires and blames one of his staff members every 5 minutes while doing god knows what, against a highly capable young, and ambitious team that gets a little bit of oversight by Grandpa.16
u/The-Catatafish 2d ago
Yes but people are stupid.
Its more about optics. If it wasn't no one would vote for a guy that didn't answer a single question and did nothing but lie.
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u/lookingForPatchie 2d ago
Yeah you guys should really put some points into getting a real democracy over that two-party gerrymandering bullshit you guys call democracy.
Joe is a senile potato and that's an insult to potatoes.
Trump is a racist, sexist, cult leading sponge that absord too much carotenoids.
Having two choices and only two is the failure point of your system.
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u/GolettO3 2d ago
Where third party? Fourth? Why only 2? Why doesn't anyone younger try to run?
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u/zalso 2d ago
In the span of 60 seconds Trump managed to say that heās done more for the Hispanics than ever, but also that Hispanics are coming to take your jobs, and also migrants are coming to take Hispanic jobs
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u/AlterWanabee 2d ago
As much as Biden is not really the best one for the Presidency, he's the only one who managed to defeat Trump in the elections. Swap him with someone else and Trump would win (which is hell).
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u/Radiant-Benefit-4022 2d ago
Second term Presidents get to do pretty much whatever they want because there is no looming election to win. Can you imagine a completely unhinged Trump and cronies? A descent into the chaos of the Abyss more like.
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u/shadowtheimpure 2d ago
Based on Project 2025, it could be the last free and fair election the US ever had.
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u/elev8dity 2d ago
I'm not sure he is. I see him potentially losing now because independents swinging to the insanity that is Trump.
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u/jimkay21 2d ago
New bumper sticker idea. Feel free to use:
Me for President in 2024!!
The bar is low
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u/cowdog360 2d ago
Trump is obsessed with the border. The borders been his boogeyman since 2016.
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u/Timothee-Chalimothee 2d ago
When Biden said āyou want to split from NATOā, Trump mouthed āI do.ā
I feel like that might be reading to deep into it, but this is the same guy who tried to split from the WHO during Covid, so Iām genuinely worried about it.
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u/izmaname 2d ago
The past 10 years of politics has truly been just absurdity. Neither of these guys are politicians. They are essentially the Kardashians running for office. They do nothing. Itās all drama with them.
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u/kilomaan 2d ago
Keep in mind that people will portray both canidate in the worst light possible to justify their own views or to full an agenda.
Just a warning
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u/Bohvey 2d ago
Haha. As if Trump could put a coherent sentence together. That should say, āMexicans can climb, listen, theyāre great climbers, ask anyone and theyāll tell you I climb great. I might be the greatest climber. They want to take away your climbing but I donāt want that. I think everyone should be able to climb.ā
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u/nilzatron 2d ago
I blame Dem establishment for not shoving a successor into the spotlight in the past 4 years.
Biden may have done well overall, despite Repubs' best efforts to sabotage, but he is literally the kind of old that can croak at any moment.
He shouldn't be running again. And Dems can't afford to lose this one. Noone who doesn't want to live in a real life Gilead can.
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u/Mucduc1011 2d ago
Just Google Project 25 to see what that fat orange traitor has in store for the country. Terrifying!
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u/Icy_Faithlessness400 2d ago
The both sides argument does not hold any water.
On one side you have a convicted felon, repeated fraud (as far back as 2016 he was sued and punished for defrauding a children's charity of all things), proven in court sexual abuser. The Stormy Daniels trial is the least of his worries too. He is facing charges of treason and mishandling and selling top secret documents.
On the other, you have an old man. Whose son is a convicted felon. But his son ain't running for office.
It just boggles the mind how the vote is still up in the air.
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u/Digiarts 2d ago
Boggles the mind?
Do you remember back when you first started school and your fellow classmates ALL completed their education with straight A grade and then went on to be successful and extremely smart humans that changed the world for better?
Yeah I donāt either
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u/Serious-Today9258 2d ago
Only an idiot who has swallowed all the Russian/Fox News/GOP propaganda could think Biden was anything other than entirely on point.
The only thing more exhausting than constant MAGA whining and bellyaching is the BOTH SIDES contingent who will uncritically buy every right-wing talking point because they stupidly think that it somehow puts them above politics.
Iām a middle aged white male with a good job and a pension, and I am just so very tired of you. If Republicans win this fall, they will outlaw all abortion, IVF, and contraception. Theyāll outlaw marriage equality, eviscerate unions, and completely gut the regulatory state, firing thousands of civil servants simply because they donated to a Democrat or whatever.
If he has the votes, heāll pull us out of NATO, leaving Europe open to whatever Putin wants - after he conquers Ukraine, of course. Heāll give Israel not only free reign, but everything they ask for to kill every last resident in Gaza.
I canāt wait until a year from now, when youāre complaining about the child support you owe from a one-night-stand, which is just so hard because the lack of immigrant labor means inflation is 20% month over month for groceries, and your taxes went up because the celebrated ātax cutā only helped the super rich.
Jesus, I could go on and on, but itās more important to you to be cool than to think for one damn second about the consequences of your actions.
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u/Flop_House_Valet 2d ago
I'm one of those people who hates both sides but, I'll be voting and not for the psychos who are trying to recreate the 1950s social hierarchy in this country.
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u/DardS8Br 2d ago
The people who don't vote are only helping Trump. I hate the pro-palestinian people who refuse to vote for Biden cause he supports Israel, even though Trump winning will be SO MUCH WORSE
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u/Zeracannatule_uerg 2d ago
Any interesting bits from it?
I've had the joy of watching Fox news periodically with lunch, so I've been drip feeding myself shit in case things go bad and it goes from being a minor infection to sitting in a bathtub of crap.
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u/elonsghost 2d ago
I think Trumpās advisors told him to talk about the border and immigrants no matter the question asked. Biden tried to call his bullshit but kept losing his thought. It was pretty much terrible all around. However, itās the cabinet members and court appointees that have as much or more impact as the president on our daily lives. Biden is the only rational choice here.
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u/Zeracannatule_uerg 2d ago
Yeah, saw a thing on the news of how they were saying the Democrats were doing the bare minimum for immigrants stuff and trying to do the executive order thing, claim they tried, then something something.
Really seems like that's the only selling point for Republicans.
Guh. Yeah. Real fun with the leftover court appointees after Trump if I am remembering right.
I know. Just, I dunno. Got a bad feeling. (Falling asleep at the "wheel.")
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u/Technical_Space_Owl 2d ago
Only an idiot who has swallowed all the Russian/Fox News/GOP propaganda could think Biden was anything other than entirely on point.
You're conflating policy and debate performance. Many voters don't care about policy and all they care about is performance, and Biden did terribly.
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u/Living-Vermicelli-59 2d ago
Biden was not always on point he wouldnāt even answer about rising child care cost instead both were busy calling eachother worst president. Both skipped questions entirelyā¦
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u/Cheestake 2d ago
Even Biden allies are admitting this was a shit show
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/biden-debate-columnists-step-aside-00165745
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u/DardS8Br 2d ago
At least Biden has an excuse. He's had a lifelong stutter. Meanwhile, Trump was straight up lying over and over
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u/FuklzTheDrnkClwn 2d ago
They should just sub in Gavin Newsom. He would destroy trump.
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u/Sunburys 2d ago
There's an ongoing Livestream on Twitch of A.I Biden and A.I Trump debating each other over nonsense twitch comments and what they say there somehow looks less absurd than the real debate
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u/seriousbangs 2d ago
Um.. no. I don't recall Biden rambling like that at all. He was a big on the low energy side but he was perfectly articulate. Stuttered a bit. He did that in his 20s. He stutters.
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u/seriousbangs 2d ago
What summed up the debate for me is how it ended.
Joe Biden was greeted on stage by his wife.
Donald Trump walked off alone in a huff.
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u/figosnypes 2d ago
Trump is really leaning into his role as the white nationalist choice candidate.
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u/Juginstin 2d ago
It's so frustrating how Trump supporters will just refuse to be persuaded on the subject of anything. Not even on the subject of politics either, they have such massive egos that putting any of their beliefs into question is a sign of "weakness" to them. They have to be right every time because being wrong might damage their sense of pride. They'd rather cover their ears and scream than acknowledge the existence of irrefutable facts and evidence, which is embarrassing for a full grown adult.
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u/Werefour 2d ago
So we need Amendments for Term limits on Senators and House members, Age limits for the Presidency, to make it illegal for Supreme Court Justices to be able to accept "Gifts" and might as well put a max time to serve as a Justice on them as well.
America is so screwed....
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u/Living-Vermicelli-59 2d ago
This is exactly why we need an actual 3rd party with a platform to rise up so we are not stuck with just this shitty 2 party system.
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u/shadowlarx 2d ago
If the choice is an octogenarian who canāt finish a sentence or a convicted felon, Iām still going to vote for the one thatās not a convicted felon.
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