r/clevelandcavs • u/Potential_Progress45 • 2d ago

Patrick Williams intends to sign a five-year, $90 million deal to return to the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell @TheAthletic @Stadium.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1807267350401400898?s=46&t=JrVG60fdeRaFpz03JDqoAg
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u/Potential_Progress45 2d ago

I mean yikes, this is definitely an indicator what Okoro might demand now

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u/GBAGY2 2d ago

Pat prob has a lil more value just due to size. If we can keep Okoro for less than what Levert makes we have to keep him

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u/Primordial_Beast 2d ago

Wait why is this deal surprising? I get that 5 years is a lot of Patty McWilliams, but the money per year is pretty fair.

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u/RubPractical3073 2d ago

We gonna let him walk if he asks 5 year 90 mil

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u/jeprunner 2d ago

I don’t understand this thought process. Okoro will probably get at the most 17.5 apy which is well worth what he brings to the team. For comparison, that is what Tristan Thompson got a decade ago. I would value a high effort wing that can defend any player on the court more than a high effort rebounding center. And also the dude is 23 and still developing. Match anything even around 20 apy and it’s worth it, especially when you consider the contract just given to OG

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u/elbjoint2016 2d ago

People lost their minds over that Tristan deal but if you aren’t in the lottery you pay to keep talent

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u/elbjoint2016 2d ago

We are paying Okoro

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

I hate to say it but he’s not worth it at 17.5. He just hasn’t shown the capability to be able to a consistent playoff performer.

The offense has just been too bad so you’re better on alot of improvement. It’s hard to pay speciality guys that much and it’s a quick way to get in trouble in team building

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u/PatientlyAnxious9 2d ago

It's also going to be dictated by the cap. For the right number, sure but when we are going to be paying Mitchell a supermax, Garland on max, Mobley on max and Allen 100M--that doesn't leave you a ton of roster flexibility to be throwing out 90M to role players.

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u/Illustrious_Kale_692 2d ago

Further development is always baked into the price of contracts for 23 year old players. That and what the contract will look like with the salary cap increasing 10% every season

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u/[deleted] 2d ago

If that development doesnt happen you’re taking a big gamble with the team’s current Cap situation.

You’re about to be paying Garland the max, Mitchell the max, Allen over what he’s currently making, and Mobley a Max.

You can’t risk paying someone that money if you’re not 80-90% sure they can be a playoff rotation player. Issac right now is just not that

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u/Illustrious_Kale_692 2d ago

It’s definitely a gamble but one I think you have to take. It’s not like we get any cap space if they let Ice walk, they just lose the player for nothing. And there is a strong chance that his best basketball is ahead of him considering his age

Realistically, I think Levert is gone after this season and Ice basically slots into the cap room that he is currently taking up

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u/Extension-Attitude84 2d ago

Hopefully they can do a 3+1. Huge gamble otherwise.

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u/Pigeon9 2d ago

A 6ft5inch wing who gets injured every season and can’t hit corner 3s is NOT worth 17.5 a year what the fuck

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u/jeprunner 2d ago

Who gets injured every season…most players get injured every season. And he’s played 88% of possible regular season games since getting drafted by us, so I wouldn’t consider that often injured. Also he shot 39% percent from 3 last season which was the 3rd season in a row he showed improvement in his 3 pt percentage. Lastly 6’5” with a 6’8” wingspan and can still guard the 1-5. So yes, he IS worth 17.5 a year what the fuck

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u/morefeces 2d ago

Not to mention we need trade assets/filler in case we want to make a move later. Not saying I want to get rid of Okoro, but if a big time wing becomes available at the deadline, having $17.5M or whatever in Okoro to help make the trade work could be very beneficial.

And I kind of hope we front load Okoro’s deal so we can get a bigger chunk out of the way before Mobley’s extension kicks in, and we’d also have a big contract to move in a potential trade for a star.

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u/jeprunner 2d ago

Absolutely, two very good points. I think people forget or don’t realize that when you’re already over the tax, the best course of action/asset is to have larger contracts

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u/Pigeon9 2d ago

He shot 39% on 3 attempts per game in the Reg season, 25% on 3 attempts in the playoffs. Averaged 9.4 points, 1.8 assists, 0.8 steals and 0.5 blocks in the Reg season, 5.5 POINTS, 1.1 assists, 0.9 steals, 1 turnover in the playoffs. How the fuck is that a player who’s worth 18 mil? You can find a heap of good defenders who completely suck ass on O for way cheaper than that if that’s really what we want.

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u/jeprunner 2d ago

Yeah 3 attempts per, which is close to a full attempt more than the previous season and 44 percent of his total fg attempts. He’s not going to get more with Mitchell, garland, mobley and Allen leading our team and also levert and strus coming off the bench. And why don’t you go through and name some of these way cheaper options?

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u/Pigeon9 2d ago

May as well bring in Frank Ntilikina. Let’s see what fkn Avery Bradley is up to. Gimme a break

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u/jeprunner 2d ago

Oh and sorry to your playoffs point, he averaged 21 minutes pg compared to his regular season average of 27. Also if you haven’t noticed, in the playoffs most of your scoring should be coming from your star players to an even higher degree than what they give you in the regular season

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u/Pigeon9 2d ago

So you want to give a wing who plays half games in the playoffs and can’t really shoot, especially when you need wings who can shoot when you come up against the very best teams, 18 mil a season?

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u/East_Bed1194 2d ago

 He has also been unplayable in the playoffs and is still left wide open every time he shoots the ball. 

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u/kdot74 2d ago

No we would match that. Probably trade him when he's eligible but we match

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u/elbjoint2016 2d ago

Fuck it we ball

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u/PootieTooGood 2d ago

isaac would rather sign his ~$13m QO and be an unrestricted after than to take less than this, especially on a contract over many years..

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u/Potential_Progress45 2d ago

I agree , or sign and trade him

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u/TheSmokedSalmon420 ⠀ 2d ago

Ugh Okoro is gonna be expensive but I don’t really want to lose him for nothing. Our best bet at this team reaching a championship level is guys like him and Mobley making a leap as they get older.

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u/Potential_Progress45 2d ago

I’m more leaning keep Okoro for sure , unless a sign and trade is possible for a clear upgrade

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u/sung37 2d ago

very much think Isaac is coming back for a price that’s going to feel a little steep

it’s insane how much all faith we had in his progress as a shooter was destroyed against Boston. really rooting for him because whether we like it or not we are probably going to need him

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u/Comfortable_Test3861 2d ago

Am I missing something? 18M/year is pretty on par for a player of Isaac’s caliber

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u/WitOfTheIrish 2d ago

You're missing nothing. OP doesn't understand the current value of role player contracts in the NBA, that's all.

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u/elbjoint2016 2d ago

Yeah this would be fine for Okoro. I’m on the “extend Jarrett immediately” train too

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u/WitOfTheIrish 1d ago

Yup. He'll almost certainly be cheaper to extend than to wait for FA. Hopefully a lot waiting for the first big domino to fall with the Mitchell extension.

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u/Potential_Progress45 2d ago

https://preview.redd.it/3ls7rs570n9d1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1697d149fa1b618b727ff0f611f76a3cbeb4baa1

LMAO

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u/Comfortable_Test3861 2d ago

Checkmate! Might as well let him go and let our perimeter defence be in the hands of LeVert and Struss. Surely that would be a successful recipe!

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u/100_proof_plan ⠀ 2d ago

Do you know how many points/rebounds/assist Patrick Williams did in the 2024 playoffs?

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u/Mind__Is__Blown 2d ago

Just because the Bulls suck doesn't mean he sucks. What were Wemby's numbers in the 2024 playoffs?

What would Williams average surrounded by our players?

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u/barkinginthestreet 2d ago

Doesn't really fit into your cap structure as an 8th man though when you have multiple max players. I could see bringing him back if we move off of Garland and Allen.

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u/kdot74 2d ago

Okoro would probably be worth slightly less.

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u/ProskXCX 1d ago

People here are seriously overrating Okoro. He is not worth $18 mil. He can't start or finish down the stretch of a playoff contender. He's like a 9th man on a good team.

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u/Tiny_Net5976 2d ago

Everyone’s forgetting Pat is a really solid at shooting the ball for a stretch 4 unlike Okoro… Shooting gets paid. Okoro’s 25% this year in the playoffs is not going to help his stock.

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u/JRSwishistheGOAT ⠀ 2d ago

I seriously don’t think ~16-18 million a year for Okoro would be that much. Im hoping he ends up at a 75 million for 5 years so he and Strus are getting paid around the same amount but with the way role players get paid in todays game, it’s not such a crazy number.

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u/blackestice 2d ago

Whatever Okoro’s deal is/ should be based on matching whatever other team offers him

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u/SpiderJedi22 2d ago

Another SF off the list…

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u/Medical-Aide-8769 2d ago

He hasn’t played a single minute at SF the past 3 seasons. He’s a PF/C

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u/Primordial_Beast 2d ago

You could absolutely play him at the 3.