There’s a reason Bethesda’s become a giant in gaming. They have a specific storytelling, game design and world building that’s unique to them.
Sure, other games may have better designed worlds, but something about Bethesda games just makes them unreplacable(?). There’s also the fact that they’re the only xbox games with an actual modding community and some really in depth mods.
There’s a reason Bethesda’s become a giant in gaming.
Yes, their old masterpieces.
They have a specific storytelling
Being honest, their storytelling feels very outdated by now, even old trilogies like Mass Effect and Bioshock had a storytelling that has aged far better; not to mention TW3, RDR2 and just recently Baldur's Gate 3.
something about Bethesda games just makes them unreplaceable(?)
I never played a Bethesda game before this year. Somehow, even without nostalgia playing a role I really enjoyed Starfield! Once again begging, pleading, extremely online gamers to realize that their subjective tastes are just that and not a reflection of a game’s objective quality.
Admittedly — and I genuinely mean no disrespect — you not having played any Bethesda games means you don’t have a point of reference for their style and don’t have experience with some of the best open-world RPG games ever made. A la, you don’t necessarily have enough experience with the genre at large to be annoyed at long term fans.
Starfield, like Hogwarts Legacy, is geared more towards casual, inexperienced gamers — which creates a more shallow, simplified, or washed out experience. It’s why both of those games are good, but they’re not great.
Starfield deserved to be a masterpiece, and it falls well short. It’s disappointing.
You’re allowed to! I love it too, honestly. Erhm, at least, I will once mods fix it.
But it doesn’t change the fact that it is a relatively shallow story experience with very hit-or-miss game mechanics, relatively stale design, and somewhat poor graphics for a new release.
Comparing it to other Bethesda games, the Mass Effect trilogy (!!), the old Star Wars KOTOR series, RDR1/2, Cyberpunk 2077, the Witcher series, etc makes this plain to see from an objective analysis.
I do still enjoy the game, but it fell well short of what it could or should have been. It’s simply a solid 7/10. And that’s disappointing.
I don't agree with you, because those games set out to accomplish very different things from Starfield. I won't rag on RDR1/2, CP2077 etc. for being grim, gritty universes that make me feel sad and fearful of life. I prefer the hopeful and optimistic universe of Starfield. I also don't think Starfield's gameplay is shallow at all, at least, not in the ways that matter to me.
That’s exactly what I keep saying. Except I’m begging people to realize it’s a mediocre game with lazy world building, lazy writing, dated janky game systems, poor performance, and stapled on features.
People are allowed to enjoy it and love it. But that doesn’t make it an objectively good game.
I could write paragraph after paragraph about why it’s a mediocre game that does not in any category stack up against its modern competition.
It feels like a game from 10 years ago. It is objectively bad. But you are still allowed to love it. No one is stopping you from having fun.
Ok. But when you make claims on your own subjective experience I am compelled to. The only category that Starfield excels in is # of lines of dialogue.
I’m begging people to realize it’s a mediocre game
And we beg you to realize it is a fantastic game most people really enjoy playing.
It is objectively bad.
85% of critics & 70% of Steam users recommend it - and that's with like, one patch and no mod tools. Looks like it is closer to "objectively good" by most metrics.
Alright, I'll bite. In your subjective opinion, what makes an objectively good game? Graphics? Frame rate? Gameplay loop you enjoy? Edgy topics? Heartfelt topics? Sales metrics? What is an objectively good game, and why are you the one who can say what an objectively good game is?
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u/DanOfRivia Nov 20 '23
Why not better going to play a better game that's actually handcrafted instead? We had a tone this year.
Why bother into fixing what a massive developer should have done?