r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Nov 17 '23

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination! EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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u/Scaevus Nov 17 '23

while watching how she was reacting

I have a suspicion that she is, in fact, the mole.

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u/finnjakefionnacake Nov 17 '23

don't we already know who the mole is

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u/Shifty-Sie Nov 17 '23

Yeah I thought it was really clear that Councilman Prime was the mole. We saw him turn off life support.

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u/ken_tempo Nov 17 '23

I don't get why so many people are saying this. Why, as the mole, would he inform someone who had no reason to suspect him in the first place? Especially if being the mole meant that he would know a Viltrumite squad was already on its way to handle that same person?

Turning off Allen's life support only shows us that Thaedus is willing to kill him (or simply risk his safety as that would be an extremely lame death) for some greater purpose. It comes off as a red herring for people who don't think about it too much.

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u/dignifiedstrut Nov 17 '23

Why, as the mole, would he inform someone who had no reason to suspect him in the first place?

Only reason I can think of was to preemptively divert suspicion from himself since now that Mark's existence has been established, it was immediately getting leaked to the Viltrumites and thus it was very soon going to be apparent a mole was in the room once the Viltrumite's showed up demanding answers.

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u/AbilityMore3013 Nov 18 '23

Everyone is saying that he turned off the life support. I don't believe that's what he did. I think he just turned down allens metabolism. he's not dead.

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u/DrippyWaffler ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Nov 18 '23

The thing started beeping ominously and he said "forgive me".

he ded

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u/DrippyWaffler ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Apr 02 '24

Lmfao did you really come back to a 4 month old conversation to say "I told you so"? XD I respect it tbh

I've read the books now, it may have even been this thread that spurred me to do it, so I did know lol

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u/AbilityMore3013 Apr 02 '24

hell yeah. new episode tomorrow too

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u/DrippyWaffler ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Apr 03 '24

Why would we want to spoil it? The tv series made it seem that way, I was operating on that media only.

It's like wondering why everyone was surprised at the red wedding because the books had been out for years. Some people stick to one medium and let it unravel.

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u/AbilityMore3013 Apr 03 '24

i can understand that. nice GOT reference too. have a good night brother.

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u/AbilityMore3013 Nov 18 '23

if you look it up, kirkman revealed that allen is in fact not dead because he's in an iron lung. i can see how it looks that way though. I truly wish to see him again.

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u/DrippyWaffler ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Nov 18 '23

The iron lung got turned off tho, hence "forgive me"

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u/AbilityMore3013 Nov 18 '23

let's just hope he isn't dead completely.

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u/DrippyWaffler ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE Nov 18 '23

:| bit of a spoiler innit

There's speculation based on the scene and there's out of universe knowledge.

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u/AbilityMore3013 Nov 18 '23

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u/AbilityMore3013 Nov 19 '23

bunch of yall are some haters

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u/Wolf6120 Cecil Stedman Nov 20 '23

Especially if being the mole meant that he would know a Viltrumite squad was already on its way to handle that same person?

For that matter, if Theodas is the mole then why was the Viltrumite squad necessary at all? All they wanted was to hear everything Allen knew about Mark and about Nolan's whereabouts - all of which was information that Allen very willingly and readily offered up to the council, and especially to Theodas. Would it not have been easier for Optimus Prime to just ask Allen directly and then pass that information to the Viltrumites instead of tipping them off that they should swing by and beat it out of Allen?

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u/tbinrbrich Nov 20 '23

My headcannon here is that Theodas tipped off the Viltrumites, thinking they would let him learn more- but they acted as they do, came and asked one question and started punching.

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His turning off the machine was a mercy kill to an old friend that he hoped this wouldnt happen to

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u/shewy92 Nov 18 '23

It comes off as a red herring for people who don't think about it too much.

So what about the guys on the council who were against Allen? Wouldnt they be better red herrings as a double twist?

And what reason would Optimus have to kill Allen if he was the good guy? You kinda glossed over that part.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Nov 18 '23

Good guys dont exist in this show

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u/SalvadorZombie Nov 18 '23

If you've read the comic you know that's objectively false. But if I wanted to get into a deep discussion about the narrative of the story and choices Kirkman made in writing this it would spoil a lot of stuff.

Basically, think of The Walking Dead (Kirkman's other series) and Invincible as polar opposites. TWD was very much trying to find hope in pure despair, while Invincible is about these peak moments of despair in an otherwise hopeful story.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Nov 18 '23

I have read the comic! (actually twice now)

It for sure isn't a game of thrones thing or whatever. I just mean that the characters are human and make mistakes or operate towards their best interests in ways that would be very hard to describe as 'good'

That's what makes it so delightful and grounded despite all the crazy super powers

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u/jessebona Nov 18 '23

Come on, even The Boys has good guys and that's an objectively far more cynical show.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Nov 18 '23

Yeah I am being a little silly. I commented down below with a more reasonable perspective.

I meant more that the characters are complex. There's no sort of dnd style "good" folks. Everything is messy and weird

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u/Protocx Nov 18 '23

Seems like the perfect alibi especially if he has a way to prove he told Allen there was a mole. No one would suspect him. He might have just been betting on Allen telling someone about his mission too. It wasn't a guarantee but it wouldn't hurt not to try.

He can basically just say "How can I be the mole if I was the one told Allen about a potential mole?"

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u/Shifty-Sie Nov 18 '23

Yeah, after thinking about it a bit more, I'm not as sure. But its easy for me to think that the Mole's position probably grants them and/or their people temporary safety from Viltrum, or something like that. Why else would they be a mole?

Allen coming in bragging about this new kid who's existence could seriously undermine Viltrum creates a new threat to the empire that shakes things up, in a way that could jeopardize the mole's position with them. So they might be inclined to leak that info knowing the Viltrumites tend to just destroy threats and not be big on asking questions. When that didn't work, the mole might be inclined to make sure the job is finished.

Like, the didn't give a lot more information to go off of that could lend any one theory that much weight, so that's the only thing that currently makes sense to me. If it's wrong, it's wrong, no harm done.