r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Nov 17 '23

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination! EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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u/Shifty-Sie Nov 17 '23

Yeah I thought it was really clear that Councilman Prime was the mole. We saw him turn off life support.

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u/ken_tempo Nov 17 '23

I don't get why so many people are saying this. Why, as the mole, would he inform someone who had no reason to suspect him in the first place? Especially if being the mole meant that he would know a Viltrumite squad was already on its way to handle that same person?

Turning off Allen's life support only shows us that Thaedus is willing to kill him (or simply risk his safety as that would be an extremely lame death) for some greater purpose. It comes off as a red herring for people who don't think about it too much.

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u/shewy92 Nov 18 '23

It comes off as a red herring for people who don't think about it too much.

So what about the guys on the council who were against Allen? Wouldnt they be better red herrings as a double twist?

And what reason would Optimus have to kill Allen if he was the good guy? You kinda glossed over that part.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Nov 18 '23

Good guys dont exist in this show

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u/SalvadorZombie Nov 18 '23

If you've read the comic you know that's objectively false. But if I wanted to get into a deep discussion about the narrative of the story and choices Kirkman made in writing this it would spoil a lot of stuff.

Basically, think of The Walking Dead (Kirkman's other series) and Invincible as polar opposites. TWD was very much trying to find hope in pure despair, while Invincible is about these peak moments of despair in an otherwise hopeful story.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Nov 18 '23

I have read the comic! (actually twice now)

It for sure isn't a game of thrones thing or whatever. I just mean that the characters are human and make mistakes or operate towards their best interests in ways that would be very hard to describe as 'good'

That's what makes it so delightful and grounded despite all the crazy super powers

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u/jessebona Nov 18 '23

Come on, even The Boys has good guys and that's an objectively far more cynical show.

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u/HimalayanPunkSaltavl Nov 18 '23

Yeah I am being a little silly. I commented down below with a more reasonable perspective.

I meant more that the characters are complex. There's no sort of dnd style "good" folks. Everything is messy and weird