r/CharlotteHornets • u/IamOlderthanMe • 4d ago
[Woj] ESPN Sources: The Charlotte Hornets are waiving guard Seth Curry but interest exists on both sides to keep talking on a new deal in July free agency. Team had a deadline today on guaranteeing Curry’s contract for the 2024-2025 season. Social Media
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806790642049102012?t=IHLkcdPDUY8lLqMgB7s-hg&s=1942
u/Civrock 4d ago
Vet minimum instead what would've been $4M next season?
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u/Smitty_Agent89 4d ago
Probably a longer term deal
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u/YizWasHere 4d ago
Couldn't we just have given him a contract extension lol?
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u/Pirate8918 4d ago
That's essentially what they're doing but in the off season there's procedures to all this
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 4d ago
Not if you want to change the salary.
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u/YizWasHere 4d ago
You can change the salary on a contract extension lol. You're eligible to go up 140% from the previous contract. The actual reason he's not eligible is because he's only on the first year of a two year deal - you have to be on the second year of a 3 or more year contract.
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 4d ago
Oh TIL, ty mate. How'd you get so knowledgable about the NBA CBA?
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u/YizWasHere 4d ago
I'm not that knowledgeable lol, I normally forget how most of the nuanced rules work. Only reason I knew that one was because I specifically Googled it earlier to see if he was eligible.
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u/a_moniker 4d ago edited 4d ago
Honestly, it makes the most sense for the roster. We’ve already got too many 6’2”-6’3” guards, with Tre Mann, NSJr, and KJ Simpson.
This probably means that we’re cutting Bertans for cap savings as well, though the deadline for that is later so they may try to use it in a salary dump trade.
Cutting Curry and Bertans opens the roster spots we need for Tidjane and a 3rd Center, though they may fix the center issue by using one of the two-way contracts on James Nnaji.
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u/OriginalPingman 3d ago
Nnaji will never play in the NBA. The dude was 3rd string in Europe to Billy Hernangomez(of all people) and couldn’t get off the bench.
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u/Booty_Snuggler 4d ago
Nah. We only need Tre Mann, KJ, and Ball (obviously). If we were going to keep a fourth guard I’d rather have Micic.
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u/OokerDuker 3d ago
Micic will be playing over KJ lol. I highly doubt we will be seeing our draft picks on the court this season until late in the season.
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u/svpremeclovt 3d ago
We’re gonna sign him back, he likely wants to finish his career home in charlotte being an important vet piece. And his dad still works for the team/network so it makes sense. Maybe Seth has a future in the booth
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u/Ok_Macaroon_7303 3d ago
It's a feel good story to keep him on the team. For that reason, I hope that he signs with Charlotte, but clearly the roster that we've built isn't good enough. You can't get emotionally attached to what isn't working. I'm not saying that he's the problem, but if the team has a different vision, I'm all for that. We finally have a different general manager and a head coach that just Won a championship with another franchise so he kind of has a general idea of what it may take for this to turn around.
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u/butekoo 4d ago
Great, I guess we're comitting to work with cap space open. Clifford really played this dude instead of NSJ, it was unbelievable.
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u/Vegetable-Tooth8463 4d ago
He was good tho
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u/butekoo 4d ago edited 4d ago
he's a fun trivia question for the fans and probably a positive as the last guy on the bench for the vibes. it is bad to have a guy that don't make a rotation anywhere else play ahead of your first-round pick on a 21 win season.
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u/Sammy4115 3d ago
But the team was a lot better when Seth played. Having a bunch of young guys playing bad basketball together doesn’t help anybody’s development.
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u/butekoo 3d ago
We didn't have a bunch of young guys, our rotation was mainly 25+ players except Miller and Mann. Also using age as an excuse is really outdated in a year that Orlando, OKC and Indiana made the playoffs.
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u/Sammy4115 3d ago
Poku, Thor, and to a lesser extent mcgowens all got playing time and are all young guys. And the only true veterans we played post trade deadline was curry and bertans. Bridges, Williams, and richards are all in there mid 20s and micic is technically a rookie. Also the games nsj did play post deadline he proved why he wasn’t a part of the rotation. Orlando and OKC are young teams but they also have fully developed young guys because they are a few years ahead of us. Wouldn’t really considered Indiana that young of a team.
I’d rather have nsj develop in the g league and practice so that our most important player in Miller can better develop on semi functional team. Throwing a bunch of young guys on the court together to suck will just teach them bad habits. We still sucked with curry but we atleast looked competent sometimes.
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u/butekoo 3d ago
Poku is on an expiring non guaranteed and he should be valued less than NSJ since we have NSJ's restricted FA rights. Thor and McGowens weren't in the rotation. Bridges is a very important leader to the team and Grant apparently is too, Richards is considered a mature guy that does his job. Thinking that guys on their mid 20s need guidance is extremely weird. Orlando have their 3 best players on their 3rd or 2nd year. OKC oldest starter is younger than Bridges, a guy that for whatever reason you think isn't worthy of being called a veteran. Indiana have Haliburton, Nesmith, Sheppard, Jackson and Nembhard all below 25 (plus Mathurin who was injured).
Oh yes, our amazing G-League system LOL. When was the time the Swarm had a positive record? When was the time we had a player developed properly through the Swarm? Give me a break. If anything those 4 games NSJ played on the Swarm were extremely damaging since he had too much of a greenlight, and that's the way to grow bad habits.
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u/Sammy4115 3d ago
You’re just arguing that we should have played a guy major minutes who showed he absolutely did not belong as part of the rotation. Play time doesn’t help development if it’s being wasted because your team sucks so bad. Miller is 10x more important than nsj and we did what was best for him which meant putting the best players around him that we could. You argue having too much of a green light in Greensboro hurt nsj but if we would of played all our young players then miller would of had that same green light.
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u/butekoo 3d ago
You're arguing that Curry and Bertans should add up to 40 minutes of a lost season instead of NSJ. I don't know if you notice, but the coaching staff is responsible to develop a player. If they are afraid of playing a rookie over a 10 year vet that don't deserve playing time anywhere else in the league, they should 100% be flamed for being terrible at their job. You're acting like we'd have 14 players on rookie contracts with Miller for no reason lol. We had 3 healthy first-round rookie-contracts available after the deadline: Miller, Mann and NSJ. The last one didn't play because we had a bottom 3 coach in the league with a career-long sample size of making poor rotation choices based of seniority.
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u/Sammy4115 3d ago
No the last one didn’t play because he was way way worse than curry and whoever replaced curry after he got hurt. If curry’s not good enough to crack any other rotation what does that tell you about nsj. We watched nsj play plenty last year and it was very apparent that he wasn’t ready.
This isn’t 2k where more time spent on the court means a higher overall at the end of the season you aren’t going to always develop if you’re thrown into the fire, sometimes it’s better for guys to practice behind the scenes.
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u/Binh3 4d ago
Because Seth had much better basketball IQ, could get to the rim better, more consistent shooter and had much better defense. Also bc we needed vet presence on the floor with such a young squad.
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u/butekoo 3d ago
Seth don't play in any top 12 seed in the league and isn't a longterm piece for us, playing someone like him over a rookie on a 21 win season is unjustifiable. Our rotation to end the year was Micic, (Martin,)Miller, Miles, Grant, Richards, Mann, Seth and Bertans. That's absolutely not a young squad that need vet presence.
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u/Binh3 3d ago
Everyday on the basketball court is an education when you play with vets. Micic is a rook Miller is a rook , richards is young so is Mann. I'll give you bertans and miles w an asterisk since he missed a whole year.
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u/butekoo 3d ago edited 3d ago
Micic is 30 and has more experience on high stakes game than anyone on the roster lol. Richards is 26. Miller and Mann are young, sure, but what team tanking last year had an older rotation than ours after the deadline? How many players over 25 were actually needed?
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u/Binh3 3d ago
Nah on micic take. High stakes in other leagues. Hes still a rook in the NBA and needs NBA experience cause he ain't no MVP over here and hasnt even looked close to one except maybe game 1 w us vs memphis. . Didn't realize nick was 26 tho tbh. But still I had no problem playing Seth and it's a shame he got hurt bc he was playing well and who knows we may gave signed him to an extension had he not got hurt.
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u/butekoo 3d ago edited 3d ago
Experience is universal. Playing in that many euro league game as the first option is more experience that any end of the bench nba player can have. Seth could and can put his imprint on the roster as a locker room presence, it was conceptually bad to play him over the 3rd of our first-round rookie contract available at that time. It's really sad that we had such an anti player development coach for the last 2 years.
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u/Civrock 4d ago