[Woj] ESPN Sources: The Charlotte Hornets are waiving guard Seth Curry but interest exists on both sides to keep talking on a new deal in July free agency. Team had a deadline today on guaranteeing Curry’s contract for the 2024-2025 season.

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[u/Sammy4115]

But the team was a lot better when Seth played. Having a bunch of young guys playing bad basketball together doesn’t help anybody’s development.

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We didn't have a bunch of young guys, our rotation was mainly 25+ players except Miller and Mann. Also using age as an excuse is really outdated in a year that Orlando, OKC and Indiana made the playoffs.

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Poku, Thor, and to a lesser extent mcgowens all got playing time and are all young guys. And the only true veterans we played post trade deadline was curry and bertans. Bridges, Williams, and richards are all in there mid 20s and micic is technically a rookie. Also the games nsj did play post deadline he proved why he wasn’t a part of the rotation. Orlando and OKC are young teams but they also have fully developed young guys because they are a few years ahead of us. Wouldn’t really considered Indiana that young of a team.

I’d rather have nsj develop in the g league and practice so that our most important player in Miller can better develop on semi functional team. Throwing a bunch of young guys on the court together to suck will just teach them bad habits. We still sucked with curry but we atleast looked competent sometimes.

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Poku is on an expiring non guaranteed and he should be valued less than NSJ since we have NSJ's restricted FA rights. Thor and McGowens weren't in the rotation. Bridges is a very important leader to the team and Grant apparently is too, Richards is considered a mature guy that does his job. Thinking that guys on their mid 20s need guidance is extremely weird. Orlando have their 3 best players on their 3rd or 2nd year. OKC oldest starter is younger than Bridges, a guy that for whatever reason you think isn't worthy of being called a veteran. Indiana have Haliburton, Nesmith, Sheppard, Jackson and Nembhard all below 25 (plus Mathurin who was injured).

Oh yes, our amazing G-League system LOL. When was the time the Swarm had a positive record? When was the time we had a player developed properly through the Swarm? Give me a break. If anything those 4 games NSJ played on the Swarm were extremely damaging since he had too much of a greenlight, and that's the way to grow bad habits.

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You’re just arguing that we should have played a guy major minutes who showed he absolutely did not belong as part of the rotation. Play time doesn’t help development if it’s being wasted because your team sucks so bad. Miller is 10x more important than nsj and we did what was best for him which meant putting the best players around him that we could. You argue having too much of a green light in Greensboro hurt nsj but if we would of played all our young players then miller would of had that same green light.

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You're arguing that Curry and Bertans should add up to 40 minutes of a lost season instead of NSJ. I don't know if you notice, but the coaching staff is responsible to develop a player. If they are afraid of playing a rookie over a 10 year vet that don't deserve playing time anywhere else in the league, they should 100% be flamed for being terrible at their job. You're acting like we'd have 14 players on rookie contracts with Miller for no reason lol. We had 3 healthy first-round rookie-contracts available after the deadline: Miller, Mann and NSJ. The last one didn't play because we had a bottom 3 coach in the league with a career-long sample size of making poor rotation choices based of seniority.

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No the last one didn’t play because he was way way worse than curry and whoever replaced curry after he got hurt. If curry’s not good enough to crack any other rotation what does that tell you about nsj. We watched nsj play plenty last year and it was very apparent that he wasn’t ready.

This isn’t 2k where more time spent on the court means a higher overall at the end of the season you aren’t going to always develop if you’re thrown into the fire, sometimes it’s better for guys to practice behind the scenes.

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We was not ready for what? He's a 19 year old that shot 40%+ from 3. What do you actually expected from a late first round pick? You set the bar so high for a rookie that's supposed to make mistakes and the bar very low for a veteran that don't have a place in a real rotation. Take a quick look at the Pistons, Blazers, Wizards, Raptors and Jazz rotation after the deadline. You're completely out of sink on what happens in the league.

Funnily enough that's not how 2k works. Again, you haven't pointed out what success case we've had of developing a player in the G-League, in fact, what player developed under Clifford at all. Bouknight, Kai Jones, McGowens and Thor we all failures. And what all of them have in common? All of them were coached by Clifford. Defending a coach that was fired and never developed real talent is beyond crazy.

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Yeah he shot a really good 42% from 3. But he only shot 39% from the field. The only player that shot worse than him (that qualified for enough shots) is scoot Henderson who has more than twice his attempts per game.

Mark williams developed pretty good in the g league the first half of his rookie year. That’s my only example because cliff doesn’t have a good track record of development whether they went to g league or not. Nsj played about the same or more minutes than multiple players drafted ahead of him.

I haven’t defended Clifford’s overall player development at all, I just don’t think throwing nsj into the fire when he clearly wasn’t ready would of been the right choice for him or the team let’s just agree to disagree about it.

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Mark Williams was already ready, he only played in the G-League because Clifford refuse to play him over either Plumlee or Richards due to seniority. It's literally the same case of Clifford sorting his rotation by age like for NSJ.