Russia Bombs Ukraine Superstore With Hundreds Inside

[u/Advanced_Drink_8536]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-bombs-ukraine-superstore-with-hundreds-inside-in-kharkiv

[u/Previous_Soil_5144]

You hit our ammo, we hit civilians.

You hit our tanks, we hit civilians.

You hit our refineries, we hit civilians.

How much longer is the rest of the world going to pretend like we aren't letting this happen?

[u/Ordo_Liberal → u/Previous_Soil_5144]

The dark silver lining is that this is good.

This is how Britain won the battle of Britain in WW2.

The Germans stopped bombing ammo dumps and airfields and started going to city terror bombing.

The civilians died, but the army lived to fight on

Bombing civilians is really dumb and has no strategic value.

[u/[deleted] → u/Ordo_Liberal]

Bombing civilians is really dumb and has no strategic value.

It kind of does. It's terrorism, and it does a number on morale. This is a war of attrition after all

[u/NockerJoe → u/[deleted]]

The thing is that lost all value after  Ukraine took back territory and found mass graves. Russia has made their intentions clear and there is no peaceful settlement here. They came to kill civilians and will do so regardless of if they capture an area with a fight or not.

[u/TSED → u/[deleted]]

Historically, bombing civilians strengthens their resolve, not weakens it. It does a number on morale and that number is positive.

[u/TheYucs → u/TSED]

Yeah that "Alright then, fuck you" from being bombed is a strong, long lasting civilian morale boost.

[u/Slahinki → u/[deleted]]

Terror bombing against the civilian populations of Britain and Germany achieved the exact opposite of that though. In fact in most cases where the deliberate targeting of civilians with bombs is the whole strategy, like in the Blitz or the British "dehousing" campaign, it only serves to galvanise the population and drive them to resist for longer.

[u/jeha4421 → u/[deleted]]

Terrorism leads to the US invading afghanistan. Terrorism leads to a country coming together to fight a common enemy.

If the Supermarket down the street got bombed, Id do everything in my power to take as many Russians down with me because they've clearly stated their intent.

[u/NotAmericanDontCare → u/jeha4421]

That only works in fantasy land. 

In the real world, the weaker nation (Ukraine) gives up because the civilians can't stand watching everyone die.

The only reason this hasn't happened yet is because EU and US have given billions and billions in aid and equipment and intelligence. 

One very easy example to look up. One of thousands throughout history. 

Mongols.

Give up or everyone dies. Men. Women. Children. 

Whole cities. Dead.

When you're weaker, bravado on reddit means absolutely nothing

[u/jeha4421 → u/NotAmericanDontCare]

I would say the very fact that Ukraine hasn't been taken over after years of fighting actually supports my point. The people very obviously haven't given up and they are still around because of it.

[u/Saymynaian → u/jeha4421]

It's weird how this guy is ignoring how bombing civilians steels the entire country against the invading force much more than it lowers their morale.

[u/NotAmericanDontCare → u/jeha4421]

No.

Read my reply again. 

They're still fighting because they have the west backing them. 

As, my post proves, countries without that support get taken over. 

[u/jeha4421 → u/NotAmericanDontCare]

The support goes to people who are fighting. Also, guerilla warfare is almost unwinnable for the invading force in general.

[u/caseyanthonyftw → u/NotAmericanDontCare]

Yep. And not just morale from watching people die, but also from the degradation of infrastructure and services and basically everything all across your country.

Not to mention Putin and co. are more than likely waiting out to see the results of the US elections in November, and the Russians can easily last until then.

[u/Vvxifg → u/jeha4421]

No, you won't.

[u/jeha4421 → u/Vvxifg]

Yes, I would.

I served in the military. I deployed twice.

But more importantly I also understand what kind of message this sort of act sends.

When your enemy very explicitely conveys that they want you dead, there is only one solution. You either let them kill you, or you kill them. There is no other solution that works. None.

[u/Vvxifg → u/jeha4421]

I take it back.

[u/DowntownPut6824 → u/Vvxifg]

What kind of a reddit response is this? Don't take it back, double down!!

[u/salgat → u/[deleted]]

All this does is steel Ukraine's resolve, it is helping morale.

[u/Grandmaofhurt → u/[deleted]]

The allies thought that bombing the civilians and cities in WWII would break the German morale, but it actually solidified it and gave the propaganda machine a huge opportunity. They were able to say look at what they do from 100's of kilometers away, what do you think they'll do to you if they are at your doorstep? Now for the western allies that was mostly propaganda, but the Russians, that was a pretty legitimate argument.

[u/Holybasil → u/[deleted]]

It might actually help morale in Ukraine.

More and more able bodied men (and women I suppose) are scared to go out for fear of being recruited into the army.

If their friends and family are getting hit in missile strikes that might be the proverbial kick in the ass they need to sign up.

It fucking sucks that civilians dying is what might bring an influx of fresh recruits, but it's clearly what they need right now.

[u/tofubeanz420 → u/Ordo_Liberal]

Britain had the US fighting with them.