'Chill The F**k Out': John Fetterman Urges Democrats To Stick With Joe Biden | The Pennsylvania senator reminded panicked Democrats on Friday that he too had a bad debate once, yet he went on to win his Senate seat.

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debate-john-fetterman_n_667ea850e4b0415858d6a2f1

[u/essidus]

The problem is that, right now, all of America believes that the Joe Biden we saw last night is an accurate reflection of how he is normally. If that's the case, we're in trouble.

Some people are saying that Biden has a cold or something. That might be (though it still doesn't reflect well on his cognitive function), but if that's true, Biden is going to prove it hard. He's going to need another extended public session showing how effective he really is. Otherwise, this debate is going to haunt him all the way up to the election.

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Ok, let's be real here. What we saw last night probably was an accurate reflection of how he is normally without a teleprompter. The real reason we're all voting for him – and let's face it – is because he's not Trump. That is itself a very good reason for democrats and left leaning voting, but it's not a good enough reason for undecided voters, else they wouldn't still be undecided. And with how close this election is, it is those undecided voters who will decide the election.

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Are there any real undecided voters at this point?

[u/StainedBlue → u/TheSavageDonut]

The giant swath of the population who don't really follow politics and don't have a candidate they feel good about voting for because they hate both somewhat equally

[u/TheSavageDonut → u/StainedBlue]

The person you just described is someone who is not likely to vote at all.

[u/TheSavageDonut → u/[deleted]]

Recent history seems to suggest that 3rd Party candidates harm Republicans, not Democrats

Perot harmed Bush

Ron Paul harmed McCain

Robert Kennedy is an anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist candidate more likely to pull Republican voters than Democratic voters.

From Wiki:

In April 2023, Vice reported that Roger Stone and others had promoted the idea of a Trump-Kennedy ticket, but Kennedy indicated that he would not join such a ticket, asserting that both Trump's and Biden's policies had failed. In January 2024 Kennedy confirmed that Trump's team had reached out to him about possibly serving as vice-president. He said he would not accept if offered again.

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Robert Kennedy is an anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist candidate more likely to pull Republican voters than Democratic voters.

Haha, yea, that's not being reflected in the polls right now. He's pulling from both, but it's pretty lopsided right now and not in our favor. Regardless, my point stands. Undecided voters do in fact still exist.