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Clarence Thomas: I should have declared free holidays from billionaire Paywall
https://www.thetimes.com/world/us-world/article/clarence-thomas-i-should-have-declared-free-holidays-from-billionaire-7ngkc3hxj2.4k
u/slapnowski 23d ago
No. Fuck declaring them, he shouldn’t have accepted them in the first place. It’s insane that as a nurse I can’t accept a gift from a patient I’ve cared for, but one of the most influential judges in the country (world even?) can legally be bribed.
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u/FearCure 23d ago edited 23d ago
Exactly. Regardless our role ( scientist, procurement, commercial, etc etc) in our company with 110,000 employees, we are all required to declare ALL gifts and NO ONE is allowed to accept any gift with a market value greater than eighty dollars.
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u/jscummy 23d ago
Yeah but those yacht trips were probably less than $80 right
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u/fuzzydoug 23d ago
Annual Salary of Supreme Court Justices: 266,000 dollars.
A private trip on a super yacht: 250,000 Dollars.
Friendship: Priceless
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u/definitivescribbles 23d ago
That private trip is a drop in the bucket for what he was getting in return. “Friendship” my asss.
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u/sequoiachieftain 22d ago
Once I found out Harlan Crow owns Realpage, the company responsible for fucking the whole country on rent prices, it all made a lot more sense.
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u/P1xelHunter78 Ohio 22d ago
that's the point of our legalized bribery. also, both sides are not the same
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u/TheFoggyDew 23d ago
"Well, see, the yacht trips were going to happen anyways, so it's actually a $0 value. I didn't think I had to report it!"
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u/totallyalizardperson 23d ago
Not an accountant or tax lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that the yacht trips could be a tax write off...
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u/kokopelleee 22d ago
You are correct. The yacht itself, if listed for charter is also a tax write off
That it was never chartered and only listed as such in order to get a write off on both the operating expenses AND the costly refurbishing… is irrelevant
(That was from the first Pro Publica piece IIRC)
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u/Moist_When_It_Counts New York 23d ago
I used to work for US FDA and same deal. Zero gifts. Report all investments. ABSOLUTELY NO individual investments in industries we regulate.
Meanwhile, congress and SCOTUS can do whatever the fuck they want despite the danger of process corruption being exponentially higher.
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u/aureanator 22d ago
Meanwhile, congress and SCOTUS can do whatever the fuck they want despite the danger of process corruption being exponentially higher
Meanwhile, congress and SCOTUS can do whatever the fuck they want
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u/Richard-N-Yuleverby 23d ago
Local government IT - the rule was no gifts and no food more than $25.
Back in the 00’s, we were not allowed to wear clothing with vendor logos.
My boss once attended a vendor lunchtime presentation (probably 100+ people from 25+ organizations in attendance) and won a golf driver in a drawing. Someone in senior management heard about it and tried to get him written up. Even after having the vendor verify the story in writing (along with the price value), he was forced to give it back or face disciplinary measures and the vendor was warned to notify any govt employees of the value of any drawing items.
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u/GrotesquelyObese 22d ago
That’s the right call. Vendors will “randomize” drawings like that to lobby smaller time contracts.
But not for Supreme Court Justices. They are so immune to that.
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u/blonderengel Louisiana 23d ago
ya, no shit!
according to the yearly ethics training to which we (uni profs in Louisiana) have to submit:
- the individual gift can't be worth more than $25
- the yearly max from any one student or former student in a calendar year is $75
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u/Dispro 22d ago
Well his one trip was only 3,000 times that maximum, it's barely even a violation!
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u/Ok-Conversation2707 23d ago
So you have to declare gifts received on birthdays and other matters outside of work?
Until last year, the Supreme Court did not require disclosure of hospitality from personal friends or family with no business before the court.
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u/Brinksan51 23d ago edited 21d ago
His mention about “advice from his colleagues”early on in his career. He been an SCJ for 33 f’n years and his $500K trip was 5 years ago. We’re talking about 25+ years after “early on in his career”! Who does he think he’s bs’ng? He’s a dishonest lying pos! He should be impeached! If some poor family wins a $2500 vacation to Disney, they have to pay taxes on that! Fuck Thomas!!!
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u/Primordial_Cumquat 23d ago
The VA physical therapist who worked on me helped me finally get to a pain-free night’s worth of sleep. As a way to say thank you, I tried dropping off a donut tray with some bags of coffee I was told it constituted a gift over the limit and they couldn’t take it.
It is beyond frustrating that a Supreme Court justice would 1) accept, and 2) later say that they should have reported gifts from a billionaire. Fuck these people.
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u/Revolutionary_Air_40 23d ago
When I last worked for a huge private-sector company that had a division with some federal contracts, no one anywhere in the company could accept anything worth $25 or more, even a boss buying you lunch. If someone dropped off a donut tray and coffee that didn't get refused on the way into the building, it was an approved move to set it out in a break area, etc. for everyone to share. We did not have guidance though for how to widely share seats on private planes, hunting expeditions, etc.
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u/Funny-Mission-2937 23d ago
my wife works for the feds in land management. nothing crazy, she supervises building maintenance, like the people who build campground signs and pump the toilets and whatnot. they are not allowed to buy coffee with their budget, they are not allowed to buy lunch for their coworkers or bring in donuts if it is over $25. it is literally illegal for me to work at like half the businesses in our community because they all require permits for work they do on public lands. literally if somebody asked me to give them a ride to a trailhead and gave me gas money, she could technically get fired for that.
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u/ToadP America 23d ago
Yep, if you are working class you are accountable for everything, if you are Elite like Thomas you can do anything and never face a consequence.
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u/Ok_Statistician_9825 22d ago
Well, how else are you going to control corruption? The working class must be monitored closely or they could increase their wealth on the backs of others. The Elite certainly don’t want others to join their ranks!
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u/Kindly_West1864 23d ago
Soooo, your “Honor”, what you are saying is that you have poor judgement….
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u/BobbyBirdseed Minnesota 23d ago
I can't accept a tip as a Trader Joe's grocery store worker - it is absolutely insane that I'm held to a higher standard than a Supreme Court justice.
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u/aspirations27 23d ago
I couldn’t as a CVS employee either, but I did all the time. Fuck em. CEO made $30 mil a year and customer offered to buy me dinner? I’m in.
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u/Flaeor 23d ago
We've entered Phase 2 of the Narcissist:
"That didn't happen.
-- And if it did, it wasn't that bad. --
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it."
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u/randomwanderingsd 23d ago
Absolutely. Not just as a way to show personal ethics, but to stay away from even the appearance of improper influence. I had a government job for a short time and I was required to report any gift over $25 in value. That meant I had to report t-shirt gifts from events. I reported a t-shirt and refused a nice fountain pen at $45k per year; Clarence Thomas who makes over $300k per year can do it too.
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u/IamShieldMaiden 23d ago
Clarence Thomas doesn't care if he looks ethically challenged. The system worked for him, now he is busy pulling the rug out from under others.
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u/Catymandoo 23d ago
Well said. Probity should rain down from on high, not filter up through embarrassing disclosures.
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u/CrystalWeim 23d ago
I agree. This is nothing but being bought off. Yeah,and it's legal. Unbelievable
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u/Binky216 23d ago
So I as a regular, salaried employee of a corporation have tighter restrictions on gifts I’m allowed to receive, where any sort of conflict of interest could be implied, than a Supreme Court Justice.
Check. Corrupt at fuck.
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u/gangstasadvocate 23d ago
Wait, is that why my $20 bribe for morphine at the dentist didn’t work? I guess I have to go higher though everyone has a number.
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u/crosstherubicon 22d ago
As a contractor to the USN I've worked with Navy officers who, to a man, would always refuse any offer of payment for even a coffee. Yes, it seemed a little zealous at times, I don't really think I would could compromise someone for the price of a coffee but I've always respected the adherence to the principle.
Clarence has destroyed any semblance of respect for the SC. In with its current makeup it has the credibility of a Sicilian building approval board.
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u/bilyl 22d ago
What gets me is that people can lose their jobs or go to jail over things like this. But this guy just says "whoops" with absolutely zero consequences. And then there are reports that he didn't even disclose them accurately!
I don't understand how anyone thought it was a good idea for SCOTUS to be a politically-appointed group of people who (1) get lifetime appointments with (2) zero accountability. Judicial reform needs to be on the top of any legislative agenda for Dems.
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u/IamShieldMaiden 23d ago
Yup. When I worked for the State of Texas, POLICY said I couldn't accept anything that exceeded a value of $5. Gave as examples a coffee cup or perhaps a tee-shirt. Loans? Flights? Yacht trips?
Clarence Thomas is absolutely for sale. John Roberts is a fucking coward for not removing him and Alito both from cases they shouldn't hear.
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u/lessermeister 22d ago
As a fellow federal employee of “Justice” Thomas I can accept a $20 gift per occasion. ($50 total per year per source) While on active duty I was offered Yankees box seats by a contractor. Nope. I sure could use a new sweet ride if any billionaires are listening…
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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania 23d ago
He just released the new buy-it-now price to be his new secret benefactor.
Does no one else see it that way? The last time he was open about his finances he complained that he wanted to retire due to the low pay and that is when the benefactors stepped up their game.
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u/Mmr8axps 23d ago
We all make mistakes, now fix it by resigning and telling the FBI everything you know. Since you're first you'll get the best plea bargain.
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u/ishpatoon1982 23d ago
And he uses that poor judgment to make rulings that effect citizens of this country.
Not exactly a mailman per say, but I'm fairly sure DeJoy is also raking in the bribes and 'gifts'.
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u/IDreamOfLoveLost Canada 23d ago
Exactly.
You can't trust me to not take a bribe, but you can trust me to rule on matters that will affect hundreds of millions of other people.
That just doesn't hold up. He should be removed.
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u/Sudden_Toe3020 23d ago
You just know that this admission is the result of Roberts telling him "Just admit it, it'll shut people up and you'll face no consequences."
And then next week they're going to tell us that presidents are immune to prosecution for crimes.
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u/SirJelly Virginia 23d ago
Every single ruling the supreme Court has made since Thomas was seated should be retried with a new court.
You can't just say "whoops" on judicial illegitimacy.
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u/simonsaysgo13 23d ago
This man is a stain on the court and needs to retire or be impeached.
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u/Schlonzig 23d ago
Neither will happen, justice is dead.
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u/simonsaysgo13 23d ago
My (late) mother was a Superior Court Judge. I can only imagine how appalled she would be!
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u/dman45103 23d ago
I vote Democrat and I’m not thrilled about the Jackson disclosure either. She wasted no time getting hers
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u/Ok_Statistician_9825 22d ago
I think book deals are different in there’s a product that represents work. Jackson raises eyebrows because she’s a (whisper) brown woman.
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u/dman45103 22d ago
This is not a race issue lol. NG and BC book deals also look shitty but I expect them to be pieces of shit. Did not expect that from Jackson.
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u/gjenkins01 23d ago
Everything conservatives touch turns to shit: the Supreme Court, religion, the economy, ad nauseum.
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u/KurabDurbos 23d ago
You can lump sum this as the conservatives have ruined the entire country and if Trump wins. It will be the entire world.
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u/Ok-Abbreviations543 23d ago
Clarence claims to have been confused in reading the disclosure requirements, and yet he sits on the highest court in the land whose job it is to interpret rules.
You literally can’t make this stuff up. The corrupt behavior is grotesque. The explanation for the corrupt behavior to justify it is good pathetic.
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u/Tballz9 23d ago
And yet you didn't, which makes them bribes, you corrupt ass.
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u/RamonaQ-JunieB 23d ago
Yes, I am a professional piece of shit. What are you going to do about it? Nothing? That’s what I thought.
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u/cbsson 23d ago
Clarence Thomas: "
I should have declared free holidays from billionaire."
Fixed: "I should have followed the law."
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u/benmillstein 23d ago
Wrong Answer. He shouldn’t have accepted them. Now he should resign in shame.
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u/BrunoJacuzzi 23d ago
What the fuck is the point of declaring anything if there is no accountability for what is clearly a longstanding bribe?
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u/panmetronariston 23d ago
The man is completely without shame. And he is married to a real loon.
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u/bdss1234 23d ago
I’ll give him this—he and his wife are perfectly matched.
That’s not a compliment.
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u/the_real_rabbi 23d ago
To be fair he has been pretty busy trying to overthrow the government with his wife. Not much time to complete a disclosure form. Not to mention there are no repercussions anyway.
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u/StopLookListenNow 23d ago
IRS Gift Tax Form 709.
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u/Barnagain 23d ago
"I should not have committed corruption as a member of the highest court of law in the land"
Erm...sorry everyone...can we start over?
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u/asabovesovirtual 23d ago
This guy couldnt be trusted to judge a child's coloring contest! My god, a supreme court judge who is so oblivious to his own conflicts of interest that he declares them openly?
Thats like robbing banks, and right after gives an interview to CNN about how he robs banks.
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u/KeyRageAlert 23d ago
If I go, "Oh, yeah, I should have declared my income all those years, but I totally forgot, whoopsie!" to the IRS, will they be so lenient?
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u/Unique_Excitement248 23d ago
He should be tried for tax evasion (everyone is required to pay tax on their income be it in the form of cash or things worth cash - like houses and trips and lord only knows what with this gross pig).
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u/NoGuava9921 23d ago
Maybe we need to offer him money to retire again. He might do it this time.. I hate this timeline
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u/Pauly_Walnutz 23d ago
Why does he think that turning ethical now will save his sorry ass
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u/Scorponok_rules 23d ago
He doesn't, and he doesn't have to worry about anything "saving his sorry ass".
The only way he can be removed is retirement (which he won't do), impeachment (which the republican held house won't do), or death (if that happens, his worries are over).
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u/seriousofficialname 23d ago
Lock him up, law and order, etc etc I can't wait for the day conservatives are ever held accountable for anything, especially crimes
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u/ShiveYarbles 23d ago
He just didn't know the rules.. Wait, the highest court in the land and the justice is claiming that ignorance IS an excuse.
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u/SteakandTrach 22d ago edited 22d ago
As a physician, I came of age after we got rid of all the glad-handing that went along with drug reps. Because how greasy it all was before, we no longer will accept so much as a pen. Certainly no steak dinners or golf trips. I’m not lamenting. It’s a good thing. Doctors should be beholden to patients and no one else.
But the supreme court?
You wanna pay off my mom’s house and you have business before the court? Knock yourself out! Sweet! What’s this? A giant motor coach! Awwww, you shouldn’t have!
And these fuckers are just straight up thumbing their nose at us. “Yeah, I took millions in bribes. Guess what? You can’t do shit about it!”
At this point, they’ve left us with no viable legal pathway to address their corruption.
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u/nonsense39 23d ago
Long Dong Silver aka Mr. Pube on a Coke Can still successfully avoids ethics, honesty and impartiality. We should have listened to Anita!
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u/Win-Objective 23d ago
It’s a coincidence that I’m only friends with ultra rich right wing white dudes!
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u/HazyGuyPA 23d ago
I can’t give a cop a Starbucks gift card but this guy who makes decisions that impact the entire country can be wined and dined by a random rich person. Ok.
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u/Significant_Rich6133 23d ago
They should not be allowed to accept gifts from anybody
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u/mwkingSD 23d ago
I used to work for a defense contractor - we couldn’t buy our govt counterparts a hamburger for a working lunch, let alone a custom RV and luxury vacations. We don’t need new standards, we just need to use the ones we have.
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u/DauOfFlyingTiger 23d ago
He really doesn’t understand. What a stupid, arrogant fool.
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u/BigMike31101 23d ago
Or.. hear me out… you shouldn’t have accepted gifts, even from ‘friends’ when you’re reviewing a judgement against or for them.
But that’s just me.
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u/7figureipo California 23d ago
He should have stepped down from the court. He should have recused himself. But his integrity matches his intellect: bottom of the barrel, absent, non-existent. He's a corrupt traitor, just like Alito.
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u/AmberBlackThong 23d ago
I love how some people get to say 'oopsie, I made a mistake' and get off completely free, and others go to jail. I have a feeling that if one looked into their judicial record the number of people they let off because 'oopsie I made a mistake' is quite small.
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u/La-Sauge 22d ago
It’s that and then Alito and Roberts saying they are not bound by any “other branch of government for accountability. So no we will not meet with the Senate committee. Hey guys, does the phrase, “CHECKS AND BALANCES”ring a bell?
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u/Lukas316 22d ago
You should step down immediately, you corrupt POS. For every “gift” that comes to light, there’s at least one more that remains hidden in the dark.
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u/Nearby-Jelly-634 Ohio 22d ago
And tuition, and the purchase of his mother’s house, and the RV, and probably the children’s blood provided by Peter Thiel…
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u/dcgradc 23d ago
He thought he could get away with it . Like he did for so many years until the corruption was revealed.
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u/RedLanternScythe Indiana 23d ago
He should have also recused himself from cases that might be related to those gifts, but Thomas isn't saying that because people might expect him to recuse himself in the future.
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u/retzlaja 23d ago
Should have passed on the vacations and gotten a gym membership for him and Ginny.
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u/sayyyywhat Arizona 23d ago
How about I should have not accepted these gifts and will not in the future
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u/VillainWorldCards 23d ago edited 22d ago
Mr Thomas and whoever wrote this article seem to have forgotten the assignment. The issue isn't the gifts or the lack of disclosure, it's the decisions.
In the case of Paul Singer, the billionaire backer behind Alito, they found multiple examples of Alito deciding on cases that had direct financial benefits for the guy who gave him a free trip.
I don't care that Alito took trip. I don't even care if he got caught covering it up. But I care greatly about the fact that the court repeatedly decided in favor of Paul Singer and Alito never bothered to recuse themselves.
Voters are not interested in the process crime when they're seeing real deal corruption happening right in front of them. Journalists are reexamining decades worth of decisions and these guys are going down for judicial malpractice. An honest judge would not preside over a case that directly affects a friend of theirs. If these billionaires are their friends and peers, then they need to recuse themselves for their cases.
These justices are being corrupt from the bench. That's the part voters want to hear about. I don't care about the paper work. The donor class has defrauded the American people and corrupt politicians like Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito are just the getaway drivers.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 23d ago
Itd help if the press stopped referring to these things as gifts. Its sickening that the press isn't pressing the issue of what was the quid pro quo here, but here we are...sanitizing blatant criminal.corruption for a institution which van directly effect the lives of every American.
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u/prototype7 Washington 23d ago
What is that saying that all of us average citizens get told...."ignorance of the law the law is no excuse"
The guy could literally have made a simple call to the IRS or any other agency in government and had an expert on the subject in his office within less than a day. For him to claim ignorance on any aspect of the law, as one of nine absolute arbiters of the meaning of the law, is at best malpractice and he should step down purely on the most generous interpretation of his wrong doing.
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u/WhoAmI1138 23d ago
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 23d ago
Isnt that the excuse they use for all their bullshit decisions? Or is that just how it looks when they knowingly make decisions for their benefactors, who happen to be so friendly with them, they get nice little gifts for their obedience.
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u/SingleMaltShooter California 23d ago
Cue the South Park clip of the CEO of BP saying he was sorry.
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u/MattieShoes 23d ago
If government employees come to my work and get a bagel at a morning meeting or something, they have to throw cash down to avoid even the perception of impropriety.
Meanwhile, a judge on the supreme court...
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u/Dense-Comfort6055 23d ago
Over four million dollars in bribe value? I should say so. Bought and sold fake justice
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u/Wizard_of_Rozz 23d ago
Liar, shill, self-hating, democracy-destroyer from the depths of mediocrity, here to gaslight
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u/krispru1 23d ago
Presidents, supreme court judges,senators and Congressmen are exempt from rules us little people must follow
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u/Strangewhine88 23d ago
The direct care givers at the non profit I used to work for, can’t receive even small gifts from the families of their clients, in case it is viewed as abuse, prosecutable under state law. They make $9 per hour.
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u/BattleJolly78 America 23d ago
Yeah, not owning up to those last few bribes really brings his character into question..😂
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