r/pics • u/CrispyMiner • 3d ago
After the presidential debate, Joe Biden greeted by his wife Jill Biden while Trump walks off stage Politics
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u/Amischwein 3d ago
The debate was a national embarrassment
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u/KidBeene 2d ago
But we heard about Golf. We got that going for us. Right? RIGHT?!?!
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u/OG_Builds 2d ago
Absolutely. One guy was unapologetically lying every sentence while the other guy struggled to even form sentences…
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u/rainbowcoloredsnot 3d ago
Why can't I see the other comments
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u/Chance-Internal-5450 2d ago
Reddit is struggling. I’ve noticed for the last two hours and thought it was just me. Ty for mentioning.
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u/PM-ME-CGI-BUTTS 2d ago
reddit is struggling but only with a couple mega threads and subreddits related to politics… moderately sus.
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u/Complete_Let3076 2d ago
All new comments were hidden for at least a couple hours after the debate. The timing was really weird after they weirdest debate in American history but it affected other topics as well. Old comments were unaffected.
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u/AssignmentUnique4825 2d ago
Tik tok was also down at the same time the debate was happening……
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u/Complete_Let3076 2d ago
Seriously? Whaaaaaat. Can anyone else confirm?
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u/SpectralOatMilk 2d ago
It was soooo weird that both Reddit and TikTok were giving me issues during the debate
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u/BrandoCalrissian1995 2d ago
Something was goin on with reddit. Conspiracy part of me wants to say it was overwhelmed by bots to immediately push mis/disinformation. But idk
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u/Scroofinator 2d ago
I mean it's not that tinfoily to think the bot farms kicked it into high gear
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u/Mr_HandSmall 2d ago
And there's stuff like chatgpt now that can write realistic comments. Operations can churn out millions of comments per minute Easily overload servers
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u/WhoGivesAChit 2d ago
Wait Am I the only real person out here? Am I real?
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u/Desperate_Hyena_4398 2d ago
Honestly this isn’t conspiratorial. This is what the whole America vs ‘Tik Tok’ case and others is about. If you don’t think this is not only legitimate but crazy then unfortunately we are pooched!
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u/Genghis_Chong 2d ago edited 2d ago
Earlier today I had a new account arguing that Jan 6 was a misunderstood tour... I hope it was a bot lol.
Edit: OK, people don't understand what it means to evacuate part of a building and falling back, allowing that part of the building to be taken as you protect the actual people inside.
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u/redvelvetcake42 2d ago
Political discourse, no matter if it's Reddit, Twitter, FB, etc is always immediately invaded by bots.
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u/Bikouchu 2d ago
Reddit is all glitched up today so idk what to think.
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u/Netroth 2d ago
The comments on that page for today shed the tiniest light.
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u/GutterRider 2d ago
Holy crap, that first comment is almost exactly when I was having trouble with posting something. I wrote it three times. Going to bookmark that page.
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u/ku20000 2d ago
Lol yeah bot activity was kicked to ubergear today in r/politics. Tons of Russian bots.
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u/ApproximatelyExact 2d ago
funny the site had no trouble loading ads even on the "empty" threads
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u/Jestersfriend 2d ago
Nah it was happening in a personal finance subreddit as well lol. We were talking about mortgage interest rates and the comments wouldn't show up.
Problem is, everyone's talking about the debate, and people are already all suspicious, especially after the last election, so people automatically assume malicious.
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u/Haltopen 2d ago
Bots were posting so many comments that it was causing the entire site to chug like a middle aged divorced alcoholic at a 5K marathon.
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u/Brru 2d ago
That's just how things work. All the subs using the same server. If their servers were over worked, all of reddit suffers.
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u/monomers 2d ago
They should be sitting on a porch playing with grandchildren not running a country. Where are the young political leaders? Or even the 60 year olds?
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u/Tennisgirl0918 2d ago
lol. The 60 year olds are the young political leaders in this world
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u/TheCatInTheHatThings 2d ago edited 2d ago
In America maybe. Thank fuck this isn’t true everywhere. Angela Merkel is 69 and retired. Olaf Scholz is 66 years old and will most likely retire after losing the chancellorship next election (everybody knows the current administration will be voted out).
The other leaders of the biggest political parties in Germany are: (name and age)
SPD - Saskia Esken (62), Kevin Kühnert (34) and Lars Klingbeil (46)
FDP - Christian Lindner (45)
Greens - Ricarda Lang (30) and Omid Nouripour (49)
CDU - Friedrich Merz (68), likely the next German chancellor
BSW - Amira Mohamed Ali (44) and Sahra Wagenknecht (54)
CSU - Markus Söder (57).
Not giving AfD the publicity of naming their leadership. Honestly should’ve left BSW out as well.
Looking at some other countries in the western world:
Canada: Trudeau is 52
France: Macron is 46, Le Pen is 55.
Poland: Tusk is 67
Britain: Sunak is 44; the likely new British PM, Keir Starmer, is 61.
Italy: Meloni is 47
Spain: Sánchez is 52.
Austria: Nehammer is 51
EU: Von der Leyen is 65.
There are many more I didn’t name, and I didn’t even go into other continents.
Think of these people what you like, but the vast majority is below 60, so far none of them are 70 or above. This insane collection of very old people in politics is a problem in the US, not the world, but unfortunately, because of the standing of the US, it is a problem for the world.
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u/Rain-Maker-XCIV 2d ago
In Ireland our Prime Minister is 37
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u/FullyStacked92 2d ago
Yeah but he's a twat.
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u/Plastic_Pinocchio 2d ago
Lmao, proper Irish response. Cheers from a Dutchie.
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u/tonyemerson 2d ago
I'm 60, thank you for considerating me to be a younger person.
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u/Rajah_1994 2d ago
Technically if you are sixty you are still young “older adults are typically categorized as youngest-old (ages 65-74), middle-old (ages 75-84), and oldest-old (aged 85 and above) in various studies.”
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u/BSB8728 2d ago
I'm 66 -- 15 years younger than Biden. I'm in pretty good shape. I walk at least three miles a day, eat a very healthy diet, and get eight hours of sleep almost every night. I read a lot and my mind is pretty sharp. But I'm very much aware that my physical and mental strengths are not what they used to be.
It exhausts me even thinking about the stamina required to be president. I don't think most people have the mental acuity to sit through long meetings every day, absorb sometimes-complicated facts about economics and world affairs, speak cogently off the cuff on a wide range of topics, attend dinners and other events until late at night, travel extensively, negotiate with legislators and political strategists, and read volumes of briefs and bills.
Expecting an 81-year-old to do all those things is beyond ridiculous.
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u/Arkose07 2d ago
Seriously, remember how fresh Obama looked when he first entered office versus how he looked when he left office.
All that stress, all that thinking, all that everything, aged that man.
These old farts should be sitting on their porch in retirement.
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u/nogear 2d ago
81 + X at the end if he wins.
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u/BETHVD 2d ago
Trump is almost the same age, I mean is this seriously the 2 BEST choices we have in this ENTIRE country?
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u/jmp3r96 2d ago
I'm 27, and I'm barely able to afford a condo, let alone the money required for running for political office. Unless you have a ridiculous amount of money and spare time, it's just not going to happen. It's why the wealthy tend to get involved in politics, beyond advancing their own self-interest.
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u/Euphoric_Election785 2d ago
Just do what everyone else does and lobby from corporations and weird ass people rich people who have their own agendas!
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u/KingJacoPax 2d ago edited 2d ago
Politics aside, I think we can all agree last nights debate was an utter shambles and if this is the best we can come up with out of 333M Americans, then god help us.
Edit. The “god” part is clearly a figure of speech people, please chill.
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u/mikeadelic15 2d ago
I think everyone agrees and that’s the scary part. We love to brag how free we are but these two clearly aren’t who the people want..
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u/ManyFun7360 2d ago
Every election has come down to picking who you dislike less. South Parks famous episode of Douche vs Turd Sandwich has never made more sense:
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u/mikeadelic15 2d ago
I agree with you! Also, hilarious episode. I will say though, this time around feels extreme. I just saw a photo of Obama and Romney. At least they were put together people for the most part. This, to me is embarrassing
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u/mikephirman 2d ago
Ranked Choice Voting. I still have yet to hear one reason why it doesn’t solve this problem.
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u/KingJacoPax 2d ago
It’s the great paradox of electoral reform and it’s the same the world over I’m afraid.
Whoever is in power, is there by virtue of a flawed system and is simultaneously the only person who can reform the system and the only person not incentivised to do so.
One comparison by the immortal Sir Humphrey Appleby likened it to kicking away the ladder while you’re still standing on it.
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u/JPSWAG37 2d ago
Having to add an edit to clarify there was no religious intent behind your completely normal comment is the most reddit thing I've seen all week.
I get criticizing religion and welcome that, but good lord some people out there let a 3 letter word live rent free in their minds.
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u/Chessh2036 2d ago
I still can’t believe these are our two options
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u/Michael_CrawfishF150 2d ago edited 2d ago
If the American people actually got to pick their presidential nominees, we would have had a different president entirely back in 2016 and the Trump fiasco would be ancient history by now.
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u/Hayesade 2d ago
Primary Election.
People vote for who will be their parties nominee in the primary elections. These elections have less the 50% of the voter turnout of the general election, and are arguably more important.
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u/catterybarn 2d ago
I have voted in every election since I turned 18. I never had any issues at all voting and never moved. When it came time for me to vote in the primaries, my name wasn't in the book and I couldn't vote. They ran out of mail in ballots so I didn't even get one of those. The transcripts show that the DNC did some dirty stuff to make sure college aged Dems couldn't vote for Bernie and it was bs. Trump is simply a byproduct of what the DNC did to our democracy.
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u/Gogglesed 2d ago
It is definitely more difficult to vote than it was twenty years ago.
Greedy, trashy people are destroying the world.
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u/A_MAN_POTATO 2d ago
Half the states haven’t even had their primary yet, yet the first debate is between only these two. How is anyone supposed to overtake them in the primary when the media pretends they don’t exist?
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u/Earth-Enjoyer 2d ago
The presidential primary elections are over. The last ones were earlier this month. You're thinking of downballot primaries, which are usually separate from the presidential ones.
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u/A_MAN_POTATO 2d ago
My mistake. I googled it quickly and thought I found accurate information, but I apparently misunderstood.
That said, the point I was trying to convey stands. The media covers two politicians. Trump and Biden. I honestly don’t think it would have been possible for another candidate to get enough visibility to stand a chance, no matter how good they are.
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u/Timmichanga1 2d ago
Lol the primaries are a fucking joke. By the time it came for my states primary in 2016, the dumbass Democrats had used their "super delegates" to stone wall Bernie. My vote didn't fucking matter.
The system is sick and voting harder won't fix it.
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u/Virel_360 2d ago
Yeah, I don’t think there was anyway Trump was beating Bernie Sanders. Boy did he get robbed lol
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u/Michael_CrawfishF150 2d ago edited 2d ago
If you look at the polls from 2016, Bernie’s smallest lead over Trump was equivalent to Hillary’s largest. Bernie also beat Trump in every single poll while Hillary only lead Trump (by very slim margins) in about 2/3 of them.
Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump and it wouldn’t have even been close.
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u/cumulonimubus 2d ago
I voted for BS twice and I’d honestly do it again, but he’s starting to struggle too.
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u/CopEatingDonut 2d ago
Because it's been like 10 years
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u/DubbethTheLastest 2d ago
I think it's the perfect time to remind people of the "Rent is too god damn high!" man
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u/jongboo 2d ago
Thanks to Hilary and her friends at the DNC for fucking us over
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u/gr8uddini 2d ago
How about all of the Clinton supporters who made “Bernie bros” into a derogatory anti woman term and used the manipulative condescending bullshit to blame Bernie supporters for the loss before Hilary was even the nominee.
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u/PlasticPatient 2d ago
I understand why conservatives didn't choose anyone else but why would democrats choose Biden again?
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u/Hessstreetsback 2d ago
Incumbents always do better vs a new candidate
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u/TrekForce 2d ago
I think typically yes. I believe this time could have been different. I don't know of anyone who actually wants Biden to be president again. Literally everyone thinks he's too old.
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u/Chessh2036 2d ago
I don’t understand it either. Always assumed he’d be a one term President.
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u/HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW 2d ago
They panicked and thought “well he beat Trump once so he can do it again.” Unfortunately that’s not so sure. TBH Biden is probably the only candidate Trump could beat, and Trump is probably the only candidate Biden has a chance of beating. Basically it’s the perfect shitstorm of horrible candidates and the real losers are the US voters.
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u/ssaall58214 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is all just so incredibly sad.
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u/Specialist-Front-354 2d ago
I feel so bad for Americans.. Hopefully they'll have replacements for these two soon, and even more options (parties) would be even better
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u/Batchagaloop 2d ago
She needed to help him down the stairs (I wish I was joking about that).
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u/richarddrippy69 2d ago
And you can see the other guy putting his hand out a little offering help. The whole thing was terrible.
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u/NewRedditAdmin 2d ago
There’s a video of her helping. Only reason she rushed to the stage. SMH
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u/Huckleberry_Sin 2d ago
I know she’s his wife and she loves him, but the way she’s always helping him off like this would make it seem like she’s his nurse or something if you didn’t know who she was.
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u/Educational_Wall3926 2d ago
The best way to deal with this situation is to tell people that they did not see what they just saw.
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u/siraolo 2d ago
It's unfortunate that the quote of the night come from Trump: "I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence and I don't think he knows what he said either."
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u/Sir-Barks-a-Lot 2d ago
Them going on an argument over who was the better golfer stood out to me. Like seriously this is what it's come to?
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u/rehtdats 2d ago
That was fucking hilarious
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u/MacNapp 2d ago
I was laughing during this exchange. Not because either was actually funny, but because it was so absurd that laughing was my only way through the sheer ridiculousness of it.
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u/One_Instruction_3567 2d ago
“I didn’t have sex with a porn star” was a banger too
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u/julio1990 2d ago edited 2d ago
Both that one and "I didn't have sex with a pornstar" is who we have to pick from. America is just in the garbage right now smh
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u/Rorshak16 2d ago
But he was right. What the fuck was Biden talking about?
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u/Batchagaloop 2d ago
Biden said out of nowhere "I'm a 6 handicap" and then corrected it to "I'm an 8 handicap". He's probably an 18 handicap, golf is a really tough game.
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u/Rorshak16 2d ago
He couldn't even walk down 2 steps to get off stage. There's no chance he can even hit a golf ball
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u/BeneficialChemist874 2d ago
Yeah there’s zero chance he’s currently a 6 or 8 handicap lol
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u/sealteamruggs 2d ago
I guarantee he can’t play golf right now. Zero chance he can swing a club. He can’t even walk off stage without help. Trump can probably swing the club just not well lol
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u/Batchagaloop 2d ago
Trump literally plays golf every single day, I've played his course and seen it in person lol. He has a good swing, just not as flexible anymore.
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u/nimama3233 2d ago
Honestly i expected Trump to be more brutal. He could have absolutely laid into the fact that Biden was frequently incoherent.
What a brutal night for those of us that support Dems
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u/drthvdrsfthr 2d ago
he played it correct though. dialed back the “mean orange man” that pushed away so many moderates last election.
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u/Several_Influence555 2d ago
Trump was nice asf during the debate. Did you see how brutal he was during the 2016 primaries, against people who have much less ammunition?
He could have gone all in, but that would've pissed off too much of the electorate.
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u/MITGrad00 3d ago edited 2d ago
You don't want to see the video of this.... Edit: the video https://x.com/ocraziocornpop/status/1806530974013866379
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u/ThatEdward 2d ago
still frame: aw, his wife supports him!
video: oh... his wife supports him111
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u/Password_Number_1 2d ago edited 2d ago
I was mentally ready to be rickrolled. I am somewhat disappointed.
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u/cjmmoseley 2d ago edited 2d ago
its so concerning. she wasnt "greeting him", she was helping him go down TWO STEPS. its genuinely scary
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u/sashikku 2d ago
Granted I typically read transcripts rather than watch video of his speeches, I feel like he sounded/looked sick? He’s old as fuck but last night was just embarrassing.
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u/One_Instruction_3567 2d ago
Yeah this is such obvious propaganda, and I say this as someone who hates Trump and thinks he is a piece of shit. But like come on, this is what you gathered from Biden yesterday? Because I didn’t gather shit, because i didn’t understand anything Biden said. It was probably the most downright embarrassing performance by any candidate in the history of the USA.
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u/human1023 2d ago
People keep ignoring how bad his health is. You can't keep doing this, or there will be consequences.
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u/Kaludar_ 2d ago
I truly hate Trump but the level of cringe at trying to spin stuff like this into a positive is mind blowing.
I wish there was a reddit that was not full of people suffering from delusion.
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u/goober36 2d ago
One of the more sane comments I’ve seen from. Trump hater and it is appreciated. It’s possible to hate Trump but to still admit Biden did not look great. So many people saying he did fine and then grasping at straws to try and prove their belief. Feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
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u/harmboi 2d ago
"did not look so great". He looked like actual dogshit. This is the leader of the free world. He should be more cognicent than a 3rd grader
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u/wcstorm11 2d ago
Seriously. Pretending it's okay is how you lose the election. Someone else needs to run against trumple, that was awful
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u/Recent_Opportunity78 2d ago
Yeah, it was hard to watch Biden mumble like an incoherent fool after that’s all Trump cultists say about him. Well, maybe they are right after I saw that. Dude seemed unwell to me and you’d have to be a full blown cultist yourself to say otherwise.
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u/Sturgill_Jennings77 2d ago
Reddit is nothing but a propaganda machine now. I’m glad I didn’t invest in it when they were dming me about buying shares.
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u/PferdBerfl 2d ago edited 2d ago
Well, to be honest, if you watch the video, Jill assists Joe off the stage.
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u/Independent_Car9233 2d ago
Helped off the stage.
For the record, I am not a Trump supporter but this post is wildly biased.
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u/GrayJinjo 2d ago
That’s because Reddit is EXTREMELY liberal.
And for the record I’m not a Republican or Democrat. It’s just funny to see one side act so much better than the other when people from both sides live in an echo chamber and only hear what they want to hear.
Trump should be behind bars and Biden should be in a nursing home.
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u/Independent_Car9233 2d ago
I agree, however I believe it’s more of an issue greater than Reddit. It’s all the content (news, podcasts and social media) that is incredibly biased. Less conversations on actual issues/policies and more clips just being portrayed in the direction that aligns with their narrative.
I get that the oil of the internet is what floats to the top and is what is more widely seen and easily ignitable, but I somehow feel that the vast majority of the population (aside from social acceptance) are more moderate and find themselves not on the fringes of either side.
It feels so polarizing nowadays, however I am under the belief that you can find ways to relate with any person on a human level. So if anyone is reading this, you’re cool in your own way and don’t forget to give the people their flowers, and tell the ones you care about that you love them.
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u/foodandguns 2d ago
Anything but absolute positive comments about Biden automatically makes you a Trump supporter. You literally cannot say anything about him without the response being “but Trump!…” Like I will never vote for Trump, but that doesn’t mean I can’t criticize Biden too
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u/Saneless 3d ago
What do you mean? Trump was surrounded by everyone who loves him
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u/PsychologicalDance12 2d ago edited 2d ago
And whom he loves, seriously tho, if his latest grifts had been more popular he would have been able to afford an appearance.
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u/seaislandhopper 2d ago
You mean helped/guided off stage, right? This post is weird.
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u/Adoringfan420 2d ago
Nah those 30k upvotes are definitely organic don’t worry about it
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u/TheFumundaWunda 2d ago edited 2d ago
the postnup didn't include attending any debates this time around.
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u/sandrtom 3d ago
Jill wanted to make sure Joe walked in the right direction to leave, while Melania was hoping trump wouldn’t find his way home at all
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u/StevieStayCool 2d ago
I miss those free comment medals.
Make dunking on politicians great again.
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u/oswaldcopperpot Verified Photographer 2d ago
When are we gonna get all our thousands of coins they invalidated on us back?
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u/CaptainSeabo 2d ago
Didn’t they just re-introduce awards for a while, only for them to disappear again?
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u/Jampan94 2d ago
The American people have so much more to offer than these two. You have some of the smartest and most motivated individuals on the planet. It’s bonkers!
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u/PartyEnough7469 2d ago
I can't believe they got into it over fucking golf. Life is stranger than fiction...and it sucks.
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u/ilaym712 2d ago
That's it? that's how you try to make Biden look good? Not a Trump supporter but damn Biden did awful
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u/kwyjibo1 3d ago
Yeah, I saw that right at the very end. Trump just walks off, but both Bidens stayed and shook hands with the moderators.
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u/i_no_like_u 2d ago
Did we watch the same thing? Biden stayed behind because he physically was unable to walk off without help.
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u/HotSauceDonut 3d ago
Stoked to mute this sub for the next six months because of stupid fucking posts like these pictures of our TVs
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u/xShooK 3d ago edited 2d ago
Trump: I'm really good at golf!
Biden: No, I'm better at golf!
Biden could've left that shit out, and kept going but noooo. You have to look dumb too. Trump is taking the Reagan road though, lie lie lie.
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u/millsy98 2d ago
‘I’ll out golf you, I was a 6 handicap as VP’ was definitely not on my bingo card for this debate.
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u/rattlebonez1 2d ago
Then he said -8 lmao
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u/DamnItHeelsGood 2d ago
His team should really discourage him from using numbers during speech, because he is constantly messing them up
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u/TheRealGongoozler 2d ago
That and when Trump said we had H2O (not clean, just straight up H2O) when he was president I was like “what the fuck is actually happening?”
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u/TheRealHowardStern 2d ago
Actually it was a 7 or 8 lol. He said a couple different numbers after the 6 claim. No way he’s a 6 handicap.
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u/millsy98 2d ago
Oh I agree, there’s no way. It was just so ridiculous to worry about claiming mid debate that it was hilarious.
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u/Hotastic 2d ago
6.7 when I looked it up. It has been years since his last posted round though.
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u/Sun9091 2d ago edited 2d ago
Next debate should be like a skins game. Opponent gets 30 seconds of audio every shot you take.
And of course both candidates carry their own bags as Biden insisted
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u/lockwolf 2d ago
“Inflation has got out of control and the average citizen is paying too much. As president, I will fight for the working class at every step I get
Now watch this drive”
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u/BrandoCalrissian1995 2d ago
Biden got baited so fuckin hard on that. Whatever "prep" he did at camp David clearly wasn't right.
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u/You_sir_neigh_uhm 2d ago
The correct answer would've been "You must be good with as much as you played while in office." I'm sure he had some stat on how much Trump played
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u/theburgerbitesback 2d ago
He definitely should have stats on that - I'm not even American and I remember seeing semi-regular updates on how much time Trump spent golfing. Would probably take an intern a few hours at most to find and fact-check one of the many, many articles about it.
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u/thewanderingent 2d ago
It was like he was overwhelmed with prep or something. You could see the wheels slowly turning. And faced with having to immediately factcheck Trump in realtime was surely an intimidating task.
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u/Revolutionary-Yak-47 2d ago
It looked like he tried to memorize answers. And that NEVER works You have to know your facts and material so well you can just talk about them. Memorized debate points come across as weird and stuff (we were never allowed to memorize our stuff in high school debate team prep).
And he made me crazy. He should've just said "my opponent didn't answer your question. MY plan is insert plan." Let Trump b/s and go around and around, stick to the message.
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u/derekhans 2d ago
“I’m really good at being the President.”
It was right there! And that would have been the pull quote of the night! I’m just mad at the missed opportunity.
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u/matticusfinch 3d ago
Guess we are just going to pretend that Reddit isn’t massively censoring comments and posts after the debate then.
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u/CarCaste 2d ago
they do that normally, it's their entire business model
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u/Robert_mcnick 2d ago
r/politics being in the news tab says it all about Reddit.
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u/Ill-Ad3311 2d ago
Seriously , running for president at 80yrs plus is insanity . Go rest old man you’ve done your duty.
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u/Thomas_Hambledurger 2d ago
From a composition standpoint, this is an absolute dog shit example of a picture. Does this post aim to do anything besides be a useful example of propaganda?
And no, not defending Trump and his ilk in the slightest, just wondering why this 480p looking ass screenshot that looks like it was saved from a Samsung galaxy s3 with fingerprints on the lens has so many upvotes on a subreddit dedicated to pictures.
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u/SlingeraDing 2d ago
Because there is a massive campaign by the DNC to push pro Biden sentiments in social media, including Reddit. Has nobody noticed the huge number of bot posts on this sub that just post uninteresting political images and get front page immediately? Or all the massive support Biden gets in the comments which, even though reddit is pro Biden, it never is like this. Plus all the comments look the same and use similar lingo
It’s like the Correct The Record thing they did in 2016
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u/Biodiversity 2d ago
I hate Trump but god damn the amount of positive crap Reddit is pumping my feed from some popular subs is insane cope. Biden looked awful during the debate, Reddit is just full of bots shilling for him now.
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u/ethanfortune 2d ago
We get one or the other. Get used to it. We get an old guy who will try and do the right thing for the most people and hire good advisers to help. Or we get an old guy, who rapes, cheats, lies, steals, and accidentally kills thousand by gross ineptitude. Debates matter little in this regard. They make everyone ornery, but have changed no ones mind.
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u/EnigmaSpore 2d ago
exactly. there's 2 old Fs to chose from. both way too damn old to be president, but that's the cards we're being dealt right now. we cannot pick the narcissist buffoon who will sell our country to the highest bidder to pay his debts. that's the path that ruins us.
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u/westbee 2d ago
Fun fact.
Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Barack Obama are all younger than Biden/Trump.
Bill fucking clinton who served over 25 years ago is younger than the two candidates now.
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u/netrixtardis 3d ago
well of course. do you think Melania really gives a shit about a convicted felon's rambling?
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