If you look at the polls from 2016, Bernie’s smallest lead over Trump was equivalent to Hillary’s largest. Bernie also beat Trump in every single poll while Hillary only lead Trump (by very slim margins) in about 2/3 of them.
Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump and it wouldn’t have even been close.
How about all of the Clinton supporters who made “Bernie bros” into a derogatory anti woman term and used the manipulative condescending bullshit to blame Bernie supporters for the loss before Hilary was even the nominee.
Rich/Corporate Dems are just part of the ruling class that doesn't wanna play a heel, they care if people hate on them and wanna be seen as helpful/kind instead.
We should be hating the ruling class and voting in our own people but this won't happen because the Dems are just as corrupt.
How though? The ONLY way I could see this even being remotely possible is ranked choice voting(which my state is currently trying to trick the voters into voting against it by coding it as pro-immigration, MO is so messed up), but even then I don’t really see any way for a 3rd party candidate to actually get enough votes to mention let alone get elected. The fact that there’s so much money involved in getting elected is debilitating. With the democrats not allowing anyone on the ticket who doesn’t play ball with their corporate interests I don’t see anyone actually worth anything getting the democrat nomination. I just don’t see a path out of this without stuff like ranked choice voting and ending things like citizens united, but neither of those things are possible with the current Supreme Court being able to overturn any choice their billionaire benefactors don’t agree with. I’m not trying to be obtuse, I just can’t see a way through these barriers.
We need for sure ranked voting but also a cap on political donations, they need to be personal only and limited to a certain dollar amount.
We find a way to make sure that prison guards do not guard over their known associates/family etc. We can do the same due diligence with trading and stocks. You shouldn't be able to trade if you are in politics.
We need to separate corporations and people. We also need to implement a fine system based on your/coporate total assets.
Criminally charge the bankers like we do druggies and get the druggies actual treatment.
Create a prison system based of reformation.
I literally could go on and on, I'm sorry I'm passionate haha
If you’re a corporation with serious lobbying resources, why would you only go after 1 of the 2 parties?
You’re sitting on millions of dollars. It cost like $20,000 to buy a politician; why wouldn’t you simply buy two politicians to guarantee your special interests are looked after. This is the great benefit of a two party system - gives the peasants an illusion of control, makes it negligible more expensive to lobby.
Yup, say what you want about republicans. They suck. A LOT. But, they know how to read the room much better than democrats. Dems are the most out of touch people on planet earth.
Clinton was the presumptive nominee, as in had a massive body of support build up over two decades, including in her very close primary with Barack Obama in 2008.
Her and Obama were close by hundreds of thousands of votes. Bernie trailed behind Clinton by 3 million votes in the primary.
The Bernie bro thing came about largely from people claiming Bernie or Bust, in which Bust was most specifically supposed to mean Trump.
After the DNC emails linked a significant amount of male Bernie supporters did a "protest" vote for Trump.
I say this as a 2016 Bernie supporter who voted for Hillary, those people were childish idiots and several of them did say some misogynistic shit. But that's bot surprising, because most of the folks wilking to vote for Truml, even as Bernie supporters, are still conservative and value traditional gender norms.
How is it revisionist? Whether or not Hillary's loss can be traced solely to the loss of support of these Bernie voters is irrelevant. The point still stands that Hillary and the DNC alienated countless voters with their action during that campaign.
The democrat establishment had a chance springboard off the most important elections in a generation and truly become the party of progress they pretend to be and instead undermined real progressives at every opportunity to solidify the power of the centrist old guard over the party. The fact that they began laying the groundwork for weaponizing their own loss to the further detriment of the progressive echelons of the Democrat party by blaming the voters for daring to hold them to higher standards speaks volumes to the narcissistic self-centered entitlement that Hillary's entire campaign embodied.
Not all Bernie supporters were "Bernie Bros". That's literally the sub group that thinks women should stay at home and are the 12% that went over to Trump.
The "revisionist" part is claiming that it meant all Bernie supporters. That isn't what happened, and if you sincerely believe that, it just shows you (as many others) were not fully paying attention.
And yes, the DNC does suck and Schultz is a tool who tucked over women by tanking Bernie for Hillary. We agree on all that.
I am a woman who does not like Hillary Clinton. I will never vote for a woman who dragged a 12 year old rape victim through the mud in front of a jury just to get her scumbag client off. That's not a woman I want as my president. I wrote in Bernie Sanders and I know many others did this as well. Not only did they push some to vote for Trump as a protest vote, but they pushed others to write in the candidate that they actually wanted instead. So the vote was split 3 ways and we got Trump as a result. That being said, I never in a million years thought that Trump would win.
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u/Virel_360 4d ago
Yeah, I don’t think there was anyway Trump was beating Bernie Sanders. Boy did he get robbed lol