r/nba • u/BigButter7 Lakers • 2d ago
[Clark] "The Pelicans made a push for Dejounte Murray before the trade deadline. They land him now. Lead guard with size who can take some of the creation load off of Zion. New Orleans liked his contract a lot. Owed $25 M, $27 M, $29 M next 3 years."
https://x.com/cclark_13/status/1806821990176579829370
u/ZoroChopper10 Raptors 2d ago
Thatās fantastic contract after seeing Quickley deal and I like Quickley
Good trade
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 Thunder 2d ago
Someone mentioned that contract in the quickley trade and in comparison it felt like a value deal. They didnt give up much anyways, but this is some good work from the pels
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u/ZoroChopper10 Raptors 2d ago
Yeah a lot of deals that was signed before tv deal are insane steals
Go look at Coby white contract whoās arguably same level or better player than Quickley
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u/cubs_2023 Bulls 2d ago
Well a big part of that is Coby got worse every year from year 2 to year 4. The leap last year was kind of out of nowhere
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u/ZoroChopper10 Raptors 2d ago
Feels like bulls should take advantage of having Coby and ayo on amazing contracts but there gonna tank the years away and then have to really pay them
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u/coacoanutbenjamn Celtics 2d ago
Pels cap situation is bad but this is step 1 to fixing it
The next two steps are trading Ingram and CJ
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u/tbloom117 Nets 2d ago
Zion, DJM, Trey, Herb and whatever you can get for those two is definitely an interesting team with enough shooting and defense to support Zion
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u/PhatYeeter 76ers 2d ago
They really need to find a shooter center, even if hes coming off the bench. I dont know whos available tho.
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u/ReapYerSoul Bulls 2d ago
They can take Vuc...
You didn't say he had to be a good shooting center!
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u/RidiculousNickk 2d ago
Bobby Portis?
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u/timmytamsAU Spurs 2d ago
Don't disagree with them needing a shooter center but they already have a shooting C with Valanciunas. If they need a shooting C that can also not get played off the floor against small lineups, it'd cost them a lot of their assets (which tbf they have a fair bit)
Running through the list in my head, players that fit the mold, could be available and would raise their ceiling to contenders (Thomas Bryant level dudes aren't that imo)... maybe: KAT, Bam (shoots well enough and is a great passer), Wendell Carter Junior (?) and Myles Turner.
Personally, I think if they can't get a good deal for those guys, I think they should take a swing for some worse players (Bamba???) who could maybe break out and hold their assets. Worst case, they go with what they did last season at the 5 spot and just choose which C to play based on matchup.
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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans 2d ago
but they already have a shooting C with Valanciunas.
No we donāt :(
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u/timmytamsAU Spurs 2d ago
I was so wrong HAHAHAH - I ended up looking it up and he took 1.5 3PA (1.3 being catch and shoot) for a SCORCHING 31.2%!!!
I think I just have PTSD from one game against the Spurs where he lit them up from deep.
EDIT: Get him out of there
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u/FootballWithTheFoot Pelicans 2d ago
Lolol yeah heās had a few of those games here n there, but that def wasnāt his game.
Also, heās pretty much already out of here.
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u/mhch720 Rockets 2d ago
Jalen Smith, Wagner, Theis, Kornet, Bryant
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u/brickvanexel Celtics 2d ago
I adore Kornet but a shooting center he is not
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u/mhch720 Rockets 2d ago
Sorry I was looking at his stats from 5 yrs ago lol
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u/brickvanexel Celtics 2d ago
Ya lol I guess he shot a three here and there earlier on in his career but he doesnāt anymore. Brings elite vibes though
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u/now_hear_me_out [BOS] Paul Pierce 2d ago
He was actually a capable shooter when he played for the knicks he had five 3ās in a game before. The Celtics have zero need for his shooting though so he earned his minutes by contesting 3 point shooters from under the basket
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u/stonecutter7 1d ago
If hawkins develops into a movement shooter with decent guard defense thats an interesting small ball lineup
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u/Vallerie_09 Warriors 2d ago
Should've never inked in on that CJ extension
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u/jgman22 Pelicans 2d ago
Their books are very clean look at their future contracts thereās barely anything on the books after this coming season
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u/Good_NewsEveryone Pelicans 1d ago
CJ is good and his contract is reasonable. This sub continues to have a ridiculous perspective on CJ
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u/lilbrudder13 Pistons 2d ago
I wouldn't mind CJ on the pistons as long as we don't have to give much beyond cap space and mediocre assets.
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u/coacoanutbenjamn Celtics 2d ago
Nate Duncan mentioned that the Pistons should try to flip CJ for Beef Stew. Maybe if they tossed in a first and some seconds?
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u/jgman22 Pelicans 2d ago
This is incorrect their books are clean as fuck look at the contracts after this coming season
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u/coacoanutbenjamn Celtics 2d ago
Yes, only because you havenāt given Trey Murphy his extension yet. Also, BI comes off the books next season, but letting him walk for free isnāt a good decision. Youāll either need to extend or trade him
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u/jgman22 Pelicans 2d ago
Yea extending Murphy will be a good thing and they are actively looking to trade Ingram and said they wonāt max him so
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u/coacoanutbenjamn Celtics 2d ago
He seems like heās demanding a max or close to it, so itās a tough situation. Trading him can get rid of his cap figure, but NO will likely have to take back money to make the trade.
Extending Murphy will be a great move, but itās probably going to bring NO to $155 million next season, and thatās before bringing back salary for trading BI and filling out the roster
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u/alpacamegafan Pelicans 2d ago
You realize that we need to pay money for whoever we trade for Ingram, right? Unless you think weāre getting expiring contracts for him.
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u/ExMachina_Disco_Club Kings 2d ago
Need expansion asap so we can boot some of these MFers to the East. West is too OP
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u/Ld511 Bulls 2d ago
I love how basically everyone has 0 belief in the east so everyones best hope to improve the east is sending a west team there
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u/thisguy012 Bulls 1d ago edited 1d ago
N.O Minny and Memphis location have always been in question one or two of those MFS needs to get moved over ASAP
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u/Wembanyanma Spurs 1d ago edited 1d ago
It has to be Minnesota. Makes too much sense regionally with the rest of the central division.
At least Memphis and New Orleans are reasonably close to the Texas teams.
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u/AnotherStatsGuy Pelicans 1d ago
Minnesota is going East. They're closer to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Cleveland than any of the other West teams.
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u/LordSoze36 Kings 1d ago
After watching Boston skull fuck the league last season. The knicks looked as good as anyone last season too and they have a great coach.
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u/Dylan7346 Knicks 1d ago
The Knicks are as good as any other team in the nba now, I truly believe that. Granted, I would like Hartenstein to re-sign and thatās not looking great
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u/mastacheef87 Celtics 1d ago
the East is pretty good at the top if everyone is healthy. weāll have to see where the dust settles after all moves are made but Iād be surprised if I didnāt have the Knicks, Sixers, and Bucks (bit iffy on this one) in my top 10 teams going into next year
I also think the Magic and Pacers are gonna be better than people think next season
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u/Troll_Enthusiast Wizards 2d ago
Only 1 team would go to the East lol
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u/soyboysnowflake Nuggets 2d ago
Yeah but west would at least have 2 bottom feeder expansion teams for a while
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u/mucho-gusto [CLE] Baron Davis 1d ago
The West being good since the 90s is a self-perpetuating cycle. Good teams in the West miss the playoffs and get lottery picks while bad teams in the East make the playoffs and miss out on the lottery. The effect is in aggregate over time. Division winners should get in but after that all playoff teams should be by record from either conference
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u/Millionaire007 [DAL] Dirk Nowitzki 2d ago
Pels seem to always be a threat... on paper. Every fucking season, high expectations, then boom. It all falls apart somewhere. Idk how to feel about them
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u/POWBOOMBANG [NOP] Jrue Holiday 2d ago
I think you just summed it up really well.Ā
A ton of potential that never seems to cash in.Ā
The highs are really fun though. Especially for a fan base that hasn't had a lot of them.
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u/LinuxDootTP [POR] C.J. McCollum 2d ago
east really isnt too shabby rn either. boston is a juggernaut, and depending on how the off season shapes out for the knicks, they might be looking hefty too. pacers were inexperienced but have great fight, and the 6rs and bucks arent anything to sneeze at. plus you have the cavs and the magic, who admittedly i forgot about, but i dont see how either team gets worse.
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u/hanacker Japan 1d ago
East has some very good teams, but every West team except Portland and maybe San Antonio would be at least a play-in contender there.
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u/LinuxDootTP [POR] C.J. McCollum 1d ago
well yes, cuz the east play in teams that got booted are garbo by comparison. im not saying the east is deeper than the west, just that the west is not as op as most would probably think, and i think the playoffs really showed that. there were some definite battles in the east this post season.
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u/c10bbersaurus Grizzlies 2d ago
It would only be one team booted, if 2 teams are added to the West. 15+2-1=16, 1/2 of 32.
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u/Phenom_Mv3 2d ago
Where does Ingram stand in all of this
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u/GlueGuy00 2d ago
Mitchell needs help in CLE
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u/InAingeWeTrust Celtics 2d ago
Big thing is MeJ isnāt their primary point guard anymore.
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u/MAMBAMENTALITY8-24 Thunder 2d ago
Im surprised he's been allowed to be in that role for so long when its clear that even whej it comes to play in games, he's not that guy
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u/Rumpdebump Pelicans 2d ago
We never really were able to find someone even close to as good. What big name pg's have been on the market the last 2-3 years?
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u/noodlekhan Trail Blazers 2d ago
I'm still of the opinion that Portland should've traded Dame instead of CJ. CJ would've got the tank done faster and probably come out of it better equipped to be in that role. CJ would still get to a new team eventually, and I think that general opinion on both guys would be higher.
I have to admit that I've always been pretty high on McCollum tho, so take it all with a grain of salt. Thanks for reading
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u/whyisalltherumgone_ 2d ago
CJ getting $32 a year for reference l. Feel like he is probably gone now? Also it's CJ McGollum
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u/Shepher27 Timberwolves 2d ago
I feel like Dyson Daniels could be better than Murray in the next three years
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u/POWBOOMBANG [NOP] Jrue Holiday 2d ago
He definitely could be.Ā
He is good. He just has to develop a lot on the offensive end.
He was just never going to get the reps needed on the Pels
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u/soundfade 2d ago
As an Aussie I hope so, but on an individual level I donāt see it. As someone who contributes to winning I can for sure see it. I see him as that high level Swiss Army knife player.
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u/gtgfastsanic Pelicans 2d ago
Heāll need a sports psychologist to do it. He has no aggressiveness on the offensive end. His only moves are spin floater or wide open 3 (which heās not that great at anyway). Heās tall and can dunk when given a free lane but he avoids contact and only looks to pass when driving which isnāt always bad but he needs to be scorer too as a guard in this league. itās funny how we drafted him to be lonzos replacement and has the same issues as lonzo did. Iām sad to see him go and heās been one of the best young on ball perimeter defenders in the league. I wish our development was better and Willie didnāt have an allergy to playing young guys so they can gain confidence
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u/OverwhelmingLackOf 1d ago
For sure could be. I love him. However, thatās not our timeline rn which is very unfortunate. Weāve got to be competitive ASAP if we have ANY hope of keeping Zion, which is really the goal at this point.
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u/lukedimitri07 1d ago
Iād love to believe in that, but the man has zero offensive game. Heās closer to ending up a thybulle type than dj
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u/7373838jdjd 2d ago
So what happens to Ingram now? Does he get sent to the cavs for Allen?
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u/Straight-Mess-9752 2d ago
If that trade is possible NO could be a real contender.
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u/HenrikCrown Pelicans 2d ago
God, that would be such a steal. Griff would go right back into being a front office god for that.Ā
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u/alpacamegafan Pelicans 2d ago
The offense still looks horrid with 3 non shooters. I guess Murray can distribute better than Ingram, but whatās going to change down the clutch? Paint will continue to be overloaded as hell.
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u/kcoe24 Timberwolves 2d ago
3 non shooters in the starting lineup im not sure how they are contenders with that trade.Ā
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u/Straight-Mess-9752 2d ago
Define āshooter ā
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u/Waddlow 2d ago
A basketball player who is good at shooting.
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u/jbrunsonfan 2d ago
35% from deep is the minimum. Though I would also say they need to be able to hit it from above the break or have at least 5 attempts a game
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u/mucho-gusto [CLE] Baron Davis 1d ago
We wouldn't want Ingram plus the salaries don't line up. We want Murphy and a bunch of picks
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u/msizzle344 Heat 2d ago
Thereās no shot, they probably move up to the 5th best team in the conference and thatās not even a given
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u/borkbubble Rockets 2d ago
Thereās literally two good defenders in that lineup lol
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u/KyrieWetUpCurry_ Lakers 2d ago
One of the best contracts in the league.
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u/Cockrocker 2d ago
For real, at that price he's a steal IF he can accept his role as 3/4th banana.
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u/mfischer1 Hawks 2d ago
Hawks fan here in peace. DJ is a decent player, but heāll never get out of his own way. Craves to be the dude, but makes boneheaded decisions all the time.
Heāll put up numbers and give you some highlights, but heāll also have your shoulders sore from throwing up your arms. Heās a terrible defender that only wants the sexy steals, but doesnāt put in the blue collar work.
Wish the best and hope he finds it, but Iām going to bet this trade ages well for the Hawks.
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u/itsahmemario Knicks 1d ago
I mean they had CJ "heat check when I've been bricking all game" McCollum at point last season. Murray might be the closest thing to a proper starting PG for the Pelicans since Jrue Holiday
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u/Dreamlifehunting Pelicans 1d ago
Dyson is awesome, but I also think he might not have become his best self here anyway, stuck behind a lot of other players in rotation. I look forward to seeing him grow in Atlanta.
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u/jbrunsonfan 2d ago
You can say what you want about his limitations as a player but you canāt deny Murray has a great contract. A top 15 pg for less than 20% of the cap. If heās your 3rd best player and meshes well with the other 4 starters then youāre cooking
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u/Tsunami-Papi_ Suns 2d ago
fuck this shit man thereās like 12 teams in the west that can make the playoffs ā ļø
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u/lost_in_trepidation Mavericks 2d ago
I can't believe Atlanta gave up so little for Dejounte with that contract.
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u/mfischer1 Hawks 2d ago
This is going to age well for Atlanta.
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u/bullseye717 Pelicans 1d ago
I'm unsure about Dyson's development but I think trading that Lakers pick is gonna bite the Pels. Next year's draft is loaded and I'd rather ante up more for Trae Young if he was availableĀ
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u/notagii 2d ago
Can the kings move to the east
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u/cubs_2023 Bulls 2d ago
Weāll switch with you. Need to ensure our braindead FO canāt delude themselves into going for a play in run
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u/Alayla_Risen 1d ago
You mean move BACK to the east bring them back to Cincinnati I'd be happy with that
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u/KonigSteve Pelicans 2d ago
The only thing I don't like about this is that I really wanted us to push for Garland instead
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u/Due-Studio-65 Lakers 2d ago
What the shit?Ā They asked for reaves, dlo, rui, two picks, and the iron-on in season tournament badge for murray.Ā And they trade him for Nance?
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u/pistolpaolo Rockets 2d ago
Lol imagine stealing from another redditor for fake points lol
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u/gdgatlin2 2d ago
If the east is going to continue being pretty shit, the way the playoffs and the league in general is set up needs to change.
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u/fenway80 Celtics 2d ago
Two interesting personalities paired together now, let's see how this pans out
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u/PM_ME_UR_RESPECT Mavericks 1d ago
Bro can we just move out of the western conference? Iām scared.
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u/itsahmemario Knicks 1d ago edited 21h ago
Damn. Is Utah the only west team that might tank? Seems like the entire conference wants to fight
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u/No-Equipment-20 Lakers 2d ago
West is actual hell next year