Ori and the Will of the Wisps should have been nominated in 2020 imo, though I guess you could call that "not exclusive" since it got a switch release.
Ori wotw was nominated for multiple awards even, but the last of us part 2 robbed all the awards. Other Xbox games nominated where psychonauts 2 forza Horizon 5 and flights simulator from what i remember. Ori is also on switch and psychonauts is also on playstation but basically all Xbox games are also on PC and therefore Xbox has no exclusives anymore so all Xbox first party games should be taken as Xbox exclusives but in a different way.
Basically it's one of the first games to actually expect some level of media literacy from its audience. Games, and thus Gamers, mostly lack nuance when it comes to their stories, and do not challenge one's morals and preconceptions. TLOU2 isn't afraid to do those things, so Gamers got mad.
It’s a whole thing. It’s not a game that goes without criticism with its themes and pacing, but it’s also in a huge cloud of hate in sexism.
It’s hard to even discuss it’s actual faults online because then you’re hit with people getting mad at the most immature things.
I don’t want to spoil the story, and a lot of it would include big spoilers, but if you still want to know you can’t find some decent summaries online about it. Sorry for not explaining myself I’m just exhausted from the whole thing too
The core concept of TLoU 2 is "revenge bad" the problem here is that the main story starts with a group of people exacting revenge, and you're supposed to feel bad for countering with a revenge of your own
The bigger problem, is that the game's theme is "killing is bad" but in order to be an action game you need enemies and those enemies tend to be... other people, people who you cannot skip past, as in you need to murder them in cold blood to proceed, only to barf when you're about to kill one of the main villains
The ending of last of us is "eye for an eye leaves the world blind". Ellie tried exacting revenge, and for what? She lost her wife, her finger, and her ability to play guitar. She still wasn't satisfied, and the object of her revenge she set free. She had nothing but bodycount
That’s the whole point. She chose vengeance and it let her nowhere but bad places. Chose vengeance again, and lost her wife, her guitar finger etc. yeah she had already Abby go at that point. But all of our actions have unforeseen consequences. That’s the whole point of the story.
I honestly don’t think it confused anyone. I think people just want specific things to happen in the media they buy and when they don’t get it they need to make it seem like the product wasn’t as good as it actually was cuz they didn’t get to do what they wanted to do. I get it. Sometimes that happens to me too.
The game made you feel bad for killing people. You're allowed to live in the end only to chase the character who ended the cycle.
The epilogue felt completely unnecessary and hammered home that a) we've killed way too many people and b) revenge isn't worth it because in the end, you lost what little you had.
I don't see the dissonance, the game never celebrated murdering people.
Yeah I don’t think people understood the message that blind hatred and vengeance don’t 1. Bring the person back. 2. Doesn’t fill the void. 3. Most likely will cost you more than you lost in the beginning
At a basic level, a large group of people disliked how badly written the story was, how nonsensical some of the characters were in the story and world, how poorly crafted elements of the game were compared to the first game, and how absurd many of the themes were. They were all labeled sexists, racists, misogynists, trolls, Gamers, and any other negative label you can think of for having their own opinions.
In reality, very few of the people who disliked the game cared about homosexual, trans, or feminist themes in the game to any degree whatsoever.
I haven't been back there in a long time so maybe it has actually turned that way, but i saw those accusations two years ago when it was just a scapegoat to escape from legitimate criticism/opinions of the game.
I do agree people used the whole “you’re this and that” thing to shut down criticism of the game…. But don’t sit here and pretend that they weren’t also a loud minority as well.
I remember people going 15 minute rants on YouTube talking shit about how it wasn’t possible for a woman to look like Abby…. Like really! Go outside! There were people were absolutely people being like “ITS TRYING TOO HARD TO BE WOKE” cuz there was a trans character in the story.
It’s cool if you didn’t like the game and I’m sorry you got grouped up with bigots, but that’s unfortunate thing when bigots start getting waaaay too loud.
I didn't care about Abby's build personally but I do understand that complaint. Hardly anyone on the planet looks like Abby build wise, and almost none of them are women.
Aside from that, actual bigots should just be ignored no matter what group they claim to be a part of. They are white noise. Dismissing legitimate criticism of something because of what loud minorities do and say has led to big problems in the world and it does no good for anyone.
Dude what? Have you seen the Rock? Dave Batista, John Cena?
Okay how about women?
Chyna, Rhea Ripley, like bro. You can legit google “muscular women” and there’s women who make Abby look like a joke. Hell my ex GF used to life weights and she had wide ass shoulders too.
The only legroom I’ll give the criticism is her forearms looked too proportional to her arms but that’s an animators fuck up in my mind. And it’s only really noticeable in the first area when you play as her cuz the lighting shows off her muscle tone unflatteringly
Next, look up what those muscular women have to do in order to have that musculature (not even going to get into what the men have to do... look at The Rock in 2000 vs 2022). Living in post-apocalyptic America barely scraping by isn't part of their regimen.
I have a friend who is built that like, am willing to edit her photos making her anonymous if you’d like. I would say she is vastly stronger and more toned than Abby too.
She was always built like that, works out regularly, eats whatever she wants but keeps it CICO.
In the game - assuming you haven’t played - Abby is shown living in a society with a gym available.
You’re pretty daft in thinking Abby’s build is far fetched. I could easily name over 10 of my friends alone who are bigger than Abby, most of them are casual gym goers and aren’t beef heads.
Also the Rock analogy didn’t help you at all. He’s bigger than her in the year 2000 and currently.
Uh you didn’t play the game huh? Abby lived in a thriving military style base. Food didn’t seem like an issue at all. They make it a point to pass the gym.
On top of that steroids are a thing. And you can actually make your own if you have medical facilities.
I feel like you’re being very “this is unrealistic” in a game where the world is ended by a floral bacteria zombie virus, where a 50 year old man can be a one man army. A 100 pound girl can also be a one man army…. But the buff girl who lives on a military base can’t be the one man army…. And LOOK like it.
You realize people go to Jail and come out pretty ripped sometimes too? They’re not getting anything healthy in those places. Working out daily does fucking wonders… for the human body. I know most gamers don’t understand that.
They were all labeled sexists, racists, misogynists, trolls, Gamers, and any other negative label you can think of for having their own opinions
Troll fits a lot of complaints about the game. When you cheer on Joel's actions in the first game and then get made when somone does the same F ing thing you got to be trolling.
I have seen a lot of people justifying Joel's actions. It always seems to be when Joel kills a bunch of people it is fine. When Joel's act of killing people has consequences they throw a shit fit.
I guess I haven't dug into that deep enough to see it. I took away that Joel basically thought he deserved to die. And I was fine with Joel dying in the second game (even right away), but I just really don't care for the way it was written to any degree.
I mean, I guess that's true from the perspective that we inherently "cheer" the actions of the protagonist of the game we're playing. But I thought TLOU did a just fine job of saying Joel wasn't a hero and was just doing the best he could in the world he was in. The message of the second game isn't bad, but it certainly wasn't well written.
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u/StarbuckTheDeer Nov 15 '22
Ori and the Will of the Wisps should have been nominated in 2020 imo, though I guess you could call that "not exclusive" since it got a switch release.