r/Invincible • u/Chemical_Bill_8533 Darkwing II • May 02 '24
Why Was This One Breath From Nolan Cold? DISCUSSION
Maybe it was just to show he’s out of breath or that possibly Darkblooe was nearby, just seems a bit odd or I’m an idiot
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u/virtualboy_jpeg Invincible May 02 '24
I like to imagine it was insanely hot after he just gave his body the ultimate workout
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u/Resident_Hair3065 Where's Mark, William? May 02 '24
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u/Flashy_Ground_4780 May 03 '24
That or he's alien
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u/AntiVenom0804 May 02 '24
Probably because of how hot his body was
When my dog is overheated I can see his breath sometimes
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u/AndChewBubblegum May 02 '24
We can see breath that is warmer than the environment because warm air can hold more dissolved water vapor than cool air can. When warm air cools, it releases excess water vapor, which is visible.
Omniman could have been so much warmer than the environment due to his superhuman exercise that his breath was more saturated with water than the environmental air, which was presumably room temperature.
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u/youngmanJ May 02 '24
lots of “logical” explanations here but i’m convinced it’s just a stylistic choice to emphasize that omni-man exerted a lot of energy. other animated tv shows in invincible’s style do this all the time.
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u/Spoomplesplz May 02 '24
Yeah. Considering up until this point, omni-man has been the perfect hero. So seeing him a really take damage from a few super powered humans is an actual godly feat. Considering he's been doing this for hundreds of years and has more combat experience than all of them combined, even the immortal.
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u/PigeonMan45 May 02 '24
Is Nolan actually more experienced than Immortal? Like I get he's hundreds if not a couple thousand years old, but Immortal was a cave man when he became Immortal. He could easily be tens of thousands of years old.
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u/GamingMad101 May 02 '24
Immortal has only really fought humans, where Nolan has been conquering for the viltrumites though
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u/PigeonMan45 May 02 '24
Humans and super villains. And he is weaker than Omniman. Most beings are weaker than omniman. I'd say when it came to technical prowess, Immortal may have been forced to become more competent as a necessity, where as Omniman, like most Viltrumites, could largely depend on his raw power alone being enough to overcome most adversaries. Like, what is worth more experience: Omniman annihilating the Flaxan empire effortlessly, or Immortal fighting the Lizard League with the Guardians?
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u/michaelvanmars Omni-Man May 03 '24
Nah im sure they fight each other to train, look how omnimam fights, he is clearly a skilled fighter
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u/seelcudoom May 03 '24
immortal probably has more experience in terms of years, but nolans experience is as an elite of the heavy weights
doesent matter how much you practice swimming if you never left the kiddy pool
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u/PigeonMan45 May 03 '24
I think people don't give Immortal enough credit. Sure he doesn't scale with Nolan, but on a purely technical level I'd bet he'd be a better fighter, as a consequence of being weaker.
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u/bunchedupwalrus May 03 '24
Nolan fought his way to one of the top positions of the Viltrum Empire, likely destroying entire civilizations at a time. He trapped Space Racer, survived the Rognarrs (mostly by luck tbf), etc. These were considered species wide threats to Viltrum. He’s likely fought and defeated many other Viltrumites who have spent thousands of years honing their technical skills as well
I mean I love the Immortal but nah. He’s primarily only ever fought humans and super humans. There’s nowhere for him to learn the level of technical skills that Nolan has
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u/cashformoldd Battle Beast May 02 '24
Nolan has MUCH more experience fighting people that are near his level. He survived the great purge of Viltrum and is revered as one of their strongest warriors.
Immortal fought common villains and regular bad guys for most of his existence.
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u/RundownPear May 02 '24
I think he likely let them get a few hits on him to match his cover story
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u/Spoomplesplz May 02 '24
Possible yeah. Though it definitely seems like he underestimated them.
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u/Greenest_Chicken May 02 '24
Not really underestimated I think he knew it wasn't gonna be easy that's why he suprised them.
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u/ManagerExtra5827 May 02 '24
Nah he didn't underestimate them in the slightest. He starts by trying to surprise attack the Immortal by taking off his head because he knew the immortal would be the biggest threat. The only reason that fight lasted as long as it did was because red rush stopped Nolan from one shotting the immortal
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u/Kryptosis May 02 '24
So he underestimated Red Rush is what you just said
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u/ManagerExtra5827 May 02 '24
I mean maybe he underestimated his speed but I feel like it's a stretch to say he underestimated the guardians when it's literally just red rush
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u/Kryptosis May 02 '24
I’d argue he’s a key part of the team and underestimating one part of the team means underestimating the whole.
It was lucky for Omni man that RR also underestimated him and got caught.
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u/vuntron May 03 '24
To be fair there's a difference between underestimating a foe and a real fight. He likely still would have won had he underestimated them, but if he had done so they likely would have been able to get a message out.
Nolan didn't need to kill the Guardians - he wanted his plan to play out at his pace, on his terms. If he underestimated anything, it was his own family.
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u/Grouchy_Appearance_1 Debbie Grayson May 02 '24
The only reason that fight lasted as long as it did was because red rush stopped Nolan from one shotting the immortal
No it was because red rush was saving multiple people, the heroes start getting picked off starting with him, even if he hadn't saved Immortal, if Red Rush had just stuck to defending and keeping people out of the danger zone, Nolan would've died
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u/sharksnrec Burger Mart Trash Bag May 03 '24
Disagree. He knew he’d take some damage going up against a team that includes Immortal and War Woman or whatever her name was. He also knew that if he survived the fight (which he knew he would), regardless of how much damage he took, he’d make a full recovery as any Viltrumite would. Plus as we’ve already established the damage he took helped buy him time with his cover story.
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u/StarMaster475 May 02 '24
Idk, it very much seemed like he was trying to kill them all as fast as possible.
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u/crgtza May 03 '24
Came here to say the same…it’s just an anime/cartoon thing. When you’re tired or when you’re sighing or when expressing with breath your breath will be visible, it’s that simple.
In this case Omni-man was all those things, he did extent himself, but he’s also showing he’s done
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u/Tramagust May 02 '24
I think Darkblood was supposed to play a larger role and they just scrapped that plot.
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u/PhantomRoyce May 02 '24
Oh my god. Can you imagine if he actually WAS there and like Cecil now he just has to prove it
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u/DrippyWaffler ENTER CUSTOM TEXT HERE May 03 '24
Did Cecil think omniman did it that early on?
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u/HumanOverseer I’m mentally unstable and Omni-Man is hot May 03 '24
yea he was onto him from the literal moment they found him. They just needed proof and to not cause any suspicion with Nolan
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u/OverlanderEisenhorn May 03 '24
Not even proof. They knew he did it. They needed to know WHY he did it.
Was he being mind controlled? Was he evil? Was there a good reason.
They knew there was nothing they could do to Nolan. They were hopping a good reason would present itself cause they knew if it didn't, they were fucked.
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u/Diligent_Worry_6214 May 03 '24
Yeah, but he just didn’t want to believe it. When they first met, Cecil considered he was going to be a problem but trusted his gut
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u/_zurenarrh May 02 '24
Was that just speculation on your part or something from the showrunners or comics to back it up?
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u/Wellifitisntjoe Battle Beast May 02 '24
maybe damien darkblood was there
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u/EZ_Breezy1997 Burger Mart Trash Bag May 02 '24
Could be, but I don't see Damien going through all the trouble of investigating for the whole season if he was aware of the whole thing.
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u/PressEtoMount May 02 '24
Cecil did say Damien doesn’t want to go back to hell for as long as he doesn’t have to
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u/EZ_Breezy1997 Burger Mart Trash Bag May 02 '24
Good point. I guess a demon investigator isn't exactly always in pursuit of justice, as long as it can serve to benefit him.
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u/success_large288 May 02 '24
Could have been gathering evidence to proove what he saw, he was oddly confident that Omni-man killed the guardians
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u/Grouchy_Appearance_1 Debbie Grayson May 02 '24
Not only that, bro said no one else was there, if Nolan's story was to be believed it could've been a new player that didn't leave any trace, but Damien was CERTAIN no one else was at the scene
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u/AggressiveIyAvg May 04 '24
I always assumed this was demon magic
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u/Grouchy_Appearance_1 Debbie Grayson May 04 '24
Could've been, he never said how he knew, so possibly
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u/BadMeetsEvil147 May 02 '24 edited May 02 '24
You still need proof if you’re going to accuse one of the most beloved heroes in the world of being a murdering psycho
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u/FoShzzleMsFrizzle May 02 '24
I always assumed that was it and he was investigating whether or not Nolan had a purpose for killing the guardians
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u/Giotto6X May 02 '24
the dead bodies got cold and caused the room to cool down
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u/goodbuggs The Viltrumites May 02 '24
Yeah. That's gotta be it.
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u/norm_summerton May 02 '24
Dead bodies lose body heat. Since they were all superheroes, they all got super cold super quick. Science
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u/goodbuggs The Viltrumites May 02 '24
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u/jAzZy-bArRy May 03 '24
i can hear the 'TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES' faintly just by looking at this image.
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u/BlueDragonReal May 02 '24
I never actually realized how close the guardians were to killing him, I always thought of them as way weaker than Omni man since they don't release show their full potential much before getting murdered but they almost killed a man that by all definition on earth is pretty much unstoppable and indestructible
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u/bigppredditguy May 02 '24
He was holding back a ton so he could make it look like he was fighting with them
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u/symbiedgehog Oliver Grayson May 03 '24
Is there anything to back that up? Because Nolan was clearly struggling that whole fight
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u/Kyledabestchoomba77 May 03 '24
The feats we see him do after that fight pretty much back up the fact that he held back. He dogwalked Mark, who is by all means more powerful than all the guardians put together, he beat a behemoth class Kaiju, he killed (almost) 3 Viltrumites himself (Mark was useless as fuck in that fight) he leveled a whole alien race by himself with little to no effort….need I go on?
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u/downvotetheboy May 03 '24
i feel like the og guardians are more powerful than mark
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u/Visceralbear May 03 '24
Rookie Mark 1000%, Mark not holding back rn is a pretty even fight honestly
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u/Pavlovs_Human May 03 '24
Bro omniman already has two kids you don’t have to have his third baby, stop thirsting.
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u/Kyledabestchoomba77 May 03 '24
Useless comment, which leads me to assume you share the same trait. Nothing of value to add I assume?
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u/Fidget02 May 03 '24
“YOUR REDDIT COMMENT IS LESSER” dude all comments are useless
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u/Ag5545 May 03 '24
If he was holding back, he wouldn’t have felt the need to sneak attack the (probably)strongest member and leader. He cut the power, so if Nolan just curb stomps everyone and bails like he wasn’t even there, he’d have been better off. He wasn’t a member of the guardians and wouldn’t have gotten the call the rest did. Him never being there is 100% plausible and leaves way less chance of him being found out.
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u/Artix31 The Guy From Fortnite May 02 '24
Damien Darkblood came too late, and Nolan found the excuse to drop
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u/spartanxwaffel May 02 '24
Probably just to show his exertion. As much as people want to deny it, omni man definitely struggled against the guardians.
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u/Jazzlike-Wafer803 The Mauler Twins May 03 '24
I don’t know who denies that tbh lol he won but it definitely wasn’t easy
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u/Kyledabestchoomba77 May 03 '24
On purpose. Otherwise the show is definitely horrible at power scaling, which I fear is the truth
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u/AcidAspida Rex Splode May 03 '24 edited May 04 '24
What are you talking about?
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u/Kyledabestchoomba77 May 03 '24
One minute Omniman can level an entire planet alone, next minute he almost gets his ass handed to him by a pathetic knock off Justice League….
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u/DreamingVirgo May 03 '24
I read it as they buffed the guardians in the show rather than nerfing nolan
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u/AcidAspida Rex Splode May 03 '24
Use common sense
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u/Kyledabestchoomba77 May 03 '24
Useless answer
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u/AcidAspida Rex Splode May 03 '24
You're looking at it through the lense of a powerscalers, the problem is that power scaling is nonsense. Use common sense and you'll figure it out
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u/Epicslayer46 May 04 '24
“YOUR REDDIT COMMENT IS LESSER” dude all comments are useless
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u/AcidAspida Rex Splode May 04 '24
I'm sorry what?
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u/Epicslayer46 May 04 '24
Idk someone said that to him up above and I thought it was funny to copy paste it
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u/Pixel22104 May 02 '24
Probably because he was at a base in the Himalayas?
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u/Chemical_Bill_8533 Darkwing II May 02 '24
We don’t see anyone else cold in that base for an entire 2 seasons
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u/Starlight-Sniper May 02 '24
The power was cut just before the attack, that would include the heating.
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u/KinkyPaddling May 02 '24
Their base is buried deep in a mountain. Stone takes a lot of time to heat up and to cool down. I don’t think that the base would get that cold that quickly.
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u/gr33ngiant May 02 '24
It’s because the demon showed up at the end and the air got cold.
Hence why every time the demon showed up around anyone they had that cold breath.
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u/mythrowaway282020 May 02 '24
Aside from stylistic choice, wasn’t it said that Nolan cut the power and the backup? It’d make sense that the temperature would drop by the end of his fight with The Guardians.
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u/SuperStellarSwing War Woman May 02 '24
Every time I'm reminded of this scene I remember how much I respect the OG guardians for doing so well against Nolan. They actually gave him a run for his money which is mind boggling
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u/noctemct May 03 '24
Nolan was holding back. He needed it to look like he was also a victim.
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u/Ag5545 May 03 '24
If he was holding back, he wouldn’t have felt the need to sneak attack the (probably)strongest member and leader. He cut the power, so if Nolan just curb stomps everyone and bails like he wasn’t even there, he’d have been better off.
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u/Ok-Attention-3471 May 02 '24
I believe it’s a high low pressure difference inside of his body. It’s more than likely air is super pressurized from his over all strength and I assume during anaerobic activities (fighting) it’s even more pressurized. When he exhaled it was introduced to low pressure (open air) and boom vapor!
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u/FoxJ100 May 03 '24
Omni-Man actually has Danny Phantom's Ghost Sense. There were suddenly seven ghosts in the room that we couldn't see.
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u/Artistic_Finish7980 Vincible May 02 '24
It was a stylistic choice, it has nothing to do with anything happening around him.
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u/Rog9377 May 02 '24
I forget, did he speak even a single word or visibly gasp or lose his breath during the fight at all? What if that was the breath he drew in in the arctic or whatever the split second before he went to kill the GGs and this was him finally breathing it out?
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u/Seppafer May 03 '24
I say it’s psychological. He just completed a major task and took a deep breath to take in the fact he’s done it and recenter himself to move on to the next thing
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u/winkeltwinkle May 02 '24
Either his breath was super overheated because he was exhausted or dark blood was watching
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u/Superb_Recover_6116 May 03 '24
I gotta give it to them. They gave him an asswhooping. Had they had like 2 more members as strong as the red rush or the immortal they would have won... if this wasnt a show with a plot they had to follow that is.
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u/PurplePurpura May 02 '24
It was a stylistic choice oh my god you guys are running out of things to talk about
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u/Chemical_Bill_8533 Darkwing II May 02 '24
Why are you beefing?
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u/OnyxC4424 May 02 '24
He was moving so fast that his body increased in temperature same with the guardians making the whole room heat up. So that final breath is him calming down after everything and showing that he's finally alone in the room and won. I mean that's my guess at least
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u/BONKMETHEUS Conquest May 02 '24
I always noticed this but never really thought about it, so thank you for bringing this up. I’m going to assume Darkblood was there somewhere.
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u/Frozen_Regret May 02 '24
Or...the room was cold because Damian darkblood was there watching invisibly.
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u/Hexnohope The Immortal May 02 '24
It was so hot from his enhanced metabolism that he exhaled steam
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u/BillyloonisisHOT Rex Splode May 03 '24
Probably from over exhaustion from fighting the guardians of the globe. Yet it's also intriguing to think Darkblood could've been at the scene and Nolan didn't seem to notice, yet also confusing as Darkblood wouldn't have all the notes n clues, that he'd KNOW it was Nolan if he was nearby.
Still, it's just Nolan being exhausted and it's stylized with him being out of breathe to show that more
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u/NOFace82 May 03 '24
It’s a breath of coldness it’s a breath of relief since it was a very difficult task. I mean he killed 8 super heroes and he took a lot of damage.
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May 03 '24
you see my first thought was darkblood but its probably because of ho w worked up and how Hot his body is from fighting
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u/tmx27 May 03 '24
Since viltrimites have the ability to go without breathing in space for 2 weeks, he probably took a deep breath right before he entered the GoTG, which was in a snowy mountain.
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u/realityZ234 May 03 '24
Def a sylistic choice, it's the hot air expelling through his mouth just to show how tired and out of breath he was. His fight between the Guardians still took quite a bit of effort and energy, like an insane full body workout. Just look at him bro that shit was NOT super easy.
Also, side topic, I love the TV shows simplified art style a lot, its so sleek and clean, with just enough detail for the more visceral scenes. I honestly prefer it to the comics they first debuted in, Nolan especially being one of my favorite designs. *granted I will note that I am biased for this because I found Invincible through the tv series, like most others have*
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u/LSDGB Green Ghost May 03 '24
You wouldn’t see cold breath would you? Ok I guess if your breath would be insanely cold compared to your surroundings but usually when people’s breath is visible it’s because it’s hotter than the outside or am I mistaken?
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u/AdLatter1807 May 03 '24
Honestly I thought it was cause that demon guy was actually there watching
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u/Dani__P May 03 '24
Just yesterday i finished reading the whole series, what a story, really enjoyed it
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u/SKiddomaniac Red Rush May 03 '24
Either how hot his body would be if you are going for a proper reason. But the other explanation is that they animated that breath to show that omni-man is overworked. (could be both)
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u/HumanOverseer I’m mentally unstable and Omni-Man is hot May 03 '24
His chest got cooked via fisting
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u/DreamingVirgo May 03 '24
When your breath is visible it’s bc your breath is hotter than the surrounding air, not colder.
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u/MutedChance7513 May 06 '24
I think it’s cause he was holding is breath while fighting gives them more power to charger at opponent
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u/DeroTurtle May 02 '24
I mean when I step out of the garage after a workout in the winter I literally steam, and I think I bench a lot less than Nolan
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u/Zack_WithaK May 03 '24
I haven't read the comics so I don't know if they reveal this but my guess would be Damien Darkblood seeing what happened? People died so maybe hell opened up and he got a peek? That's all I can think of because anytime Darkblood's around, the room gets colder.
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u/Historical_Shirt_239 May 03 '24
That should NOT be possible that it was cold. Only Kryptonians breathe is cold.
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u/Haunt33r May 03 '24
I would like to believe that it's due to the mental toll, killing his friends wasn't easy for him
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u/Appellion Show Fan May 03 '24
Okay, I’m in a bit of a bind here. The thread doesn’t allow spoilers but you are clearly referring to something that has not occurred in the show and isn’t visible in the pic above. Can you at least provide the arc and issue where this occurs?
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