r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Mar 28 '24

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E07 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 7 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

As Mark attempts to salvage his personal life, a new villain arrives, presenting Invincible with his greatest challenge yet. Donald grapples with his past.

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u/JukeBox42069 Angstrom Levy Mar 28 '24

Speaking of her voice.. did anyone else expect her to sound more raspy?

Thats how I imagined her voice when reading the comics

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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Mar 28 '24

Her voice in the animated version would have made me side with the Viltrum empire.

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u/peon47 Comic Fan Mar 28 '24

That's Booty Spivot for you.

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u/NorthNeptune Mar 28 '24

Better than iris anyday

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u/peon47 Comic Fan Mar 28 '24

Character-wise, maybe. But let's not pretend Candice Patton isn't a smokeshow too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/FlashTV/comments/2jlln4/candice_patton_aka_iris_west_dressing_up_as/

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u/forever87 Samantha Eve Wilkins Mar 28 '24

i'll never forget when r/flashtv was convinced booty was secretly zoom

https://youtu.be/rqSosWnOwd0

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u/DMking Mar 28 '24

Ah i miss S1-2 of The Flash. It was so good

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u/pardyball Mar 29 '24

I would have risked it all for Patty.

Sorry, Iris.

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u/Tao_McCawley Mar 29 '24

That's a meme that brings me back

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u/GreatWhiteBuffal0 Mar 30 '24

Wow Booty Spviot that really takes me back

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u/marwynn Mar 29 '24

You mean Zoom?

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u/NerdLawyer55 Mar 31 '24

We’re just lucky this character of hers didn’t try to bone her friends son

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u/urgentmatters Mar 30 '24

Also Wraith from Apex Legends

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u/Sockenolm Mar 28 '24

Her arguments would have made me side with the Viltrum empire. Repair our climate? End world hunger? Yes please. Make yourselves right at home and feel free to use any of our sociopathic billionaires and their corrupt political muppets as punching bags or chew toys whenever you feel a little murdery. That's just a welcome bonus. If you could maybe stream it live on TV, that'd be awesome.

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u/igncom1 Mar 28 '24

Yeah we just have to become vassals to an empire that considers us little better then pets or cattle!

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u/Joeybfast Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Have you see what corporations are fighting to dump in our waterways. We are treated worst than that now.

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u/KorianHUN Mar 28 '24

That is a common sentiment for revolutionaries who are the most gullible martyrs of all.
If you trade one shitty situation for another you end up just as bad or worse. People thought the Czar was bad, they got Stalin mass killing them, starting with his best revolutionaries.

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u/slphil Mar 28 '24

Viltrumites care so little about humans that it makes no difference to them whether they make us comfortable or kill us all. It's not comparable to anything in Earth history.

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u/Sockenolm Mar 28 '24

I agree with you in principle, but in this purely hypothetical and sadly fictional case where an alien species has the technology to fix all our problems from climate change over global inequality to cures for cancer, Alzheimer etc. I don't think past communist-in-name-only revolutions are a fair comparison.

We are currently headed for extinction, we'll take a large part of the biosphere with us, and there doesn't appear to be any realistic way of escaping the clutches of the fossil fuel industries at the global level and averting this disaster. Make that "mitigating". The "averting" ship has long sailed anyway seeing how many self-sustaining feedback loops we've already set in motion. Meaning in our reality, Invincible's and humanity's choice would be between extinction and survival. It really is that simple once the arctic is not only melting but on fire. A very different situation from the choice between a bloody revolution that only installs a different totalitarian leader versus slow change via democratic elections. We can't afford to act slow anymore with regard to climate change.

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u/thesagenibba Mar 29 '24

you really tried it, and failed. the czar was terrible, by the way

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u/Unwept_Skate_8829 Mar 29 '24

and so was stalin lol

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u/slphil Mar 30 '24

The czar pretended to be European nobility and it cost millions of lives. Stalin industrialized the nation and it cost millions of lives. Like, yeah, they both suck, but they're not the same.

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u/PantyhoseBananaMouth Apr 03 '24

the tzar was worse.

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u/Unwept_Skate_8829 Apr 03 '24

number of people sent to gulags during the entirey of the russian empire: 0

number of people sent to gulags during Stalins reign: 14 million

the numbers don't lie

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u/Significant_Hornet Mar 29 '24

The universe we saw where Mark and his dad take over Earth had billions dead

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u/igncom1 Mar 28 '24

Whelp guess we could just give up all human agency!

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u/TeaAndCrumpets4life Mar 29 '24

No we absolutely are not, this is lazy populist drivel to a dangerous degree

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u/WrethZ Mar 29 '24

Things being bad doesn't automatically make the alternative better.

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u/Sockenolm Mar 28 '24

Would this drastically change the life of the average working class person? I mean, aside from minor things like universal access to cures for virtually every disease incl. cancer. And even if there are downsides, what should we first worlders be willing to give up in exchange for global equality (among humans) and the end of poverty and disease? Not to mention a solution for climate change that would otherwise kill our grandchildren and potentially wipe out our entire species along with 80% of the biosphere.

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u/Ejecto_Seato Mar 29 '24

Yeah I’m guessing it’s not exactly as presented, because a) what do the viltrumites get out of this and is being the figurehead really all they want, and b) if they are so benevolent why the need for so much threats and violence?

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u/Mookies_Bett Cecil Stedman Apr 01 '24

I mean, is that really much of a downgrade from our current society though? Ultimately she makes some compelling points.

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u/Curious_Umpire9247 Mar 30 '24

there is like 50 of them total there are average girls average that number as a body count. also most of them would appreciate a control freak, emotionally unavailable vulturmite partner!

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u/vadergeek Mar 29 '24

Personally, given the way Omni-Man massacred people, what happened to the Thraxans, and the alternate timeline where Mark goes along with his father I have no confidence in Viltrumite governance (also, they almost wiped themselves out for no good reason).

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u/monde-pluto Mar 31 '24

exactly. there is no way they care about human lives when omni-man killed all those people just to teach mark a lesson

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u/Cicebro_ Mar 29 '24

It sounds good, but then you realize it’s the same arguments historical empires used to justify invading and “civilizing” conquered peoples. The Viltrum Empire would do what any other empire does, which is extract resources and wealth at the expense of the natives. The viltrumites cull the weak on their OWN planet. It’s all bs.

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u/Sockenolm Mar 29 '24

Which historical empire promised an end to world hunger, disease and climate catastrophes? Even if they had, it would have been a lie. Whereas the Viltrumites really do have the technology and knowledge to make this happen.

And it's not like our historical empires ever really ended. We're still exploiting the hell out of the Third World. As long as our coffee beans are cheap we don't care much about the terrible conditions that our governments continue to force on impoverished countries rather than sharing the global wealth equally. Meaning this idea that our autonomy is preferable to a poverty-free world under alien rule is extremely First World-centric. For most of humanity it would be a blessing.

Last but not least, we also need to take the the alternative into account. Even if peacefully surrendering to Viltrumite rule were a terrible choice, being forcefully conquered by a Viltrumite invasion force that devastates our infrastructure and kills millions seems worse by several light-years. The outcome would presumably be the same, only with far more death and destruction in one case. When faced with 2 bad choices, one of which is less bad than the other, it would be neither reasonable nor ethical to choose the worse option at the expense of the lives of others.

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u/Cicebro_ Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Obviously they never promised those exact things, but it’s white mans burden type of deal. Just think of those old late 1800s arguments imperial powers would use to justify colonizing “less advanced” societies. We can’t take the viltrumites at their word. They are a genocidal empire lol

I don’t agree with surrendering immediately because at this point in time we don’t know much about the viltrumites. Why don’t they send an army? There’s a reason they only send one or two agents to planets at a time. Also, with Mark, Nolan, and Allen we know we have some trump cards. It would be a bad idea to fold too early.

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u/thesagenibba Mar 29 '24

the implications being that the viltrumites obviously don't care about any of that. it's just an attempt at appealing to and manipulating mark. we can't just omit the viltrumite cultural eugenics, culling of the 'weak' thing they have going on.

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u/biomannnn007 Mar 29 '24

“Give me liberty or give me death” - Thomas Paine

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u/Sockenolm Mar 29 '24

I sometimes imagine it's the Third World saying that. Liberty and economic equality instead of being kept destitute on purpose, with high birth rates imposed by our Western anti-birth control religions, so the developed world can have cheap coffee picked and blood diamonds mined by kids.

Or maybe it's the working class in un-developing countries like the US. Vastly better off than Third World denizens and eager to contribute to climate change catastrophes that devastate the Third World far more than the First, but still far from free. Forced to slave away in order to further enrich the billionaire class, often without basic healthcare access and settled with crippling medical debt, almost powerless to affect meaningful political change. It would be nice indeed if we could give all these people liberty.

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u/YT-1300f Mar 30 '24

How does joining the fascist Viltrum empire solve the “earth is governed being a collapsing narcissistic death cult” issue we’ve got, though? Rather than kick the can down the road a few centuries of suffering later?

People are making selfish “I reserve the right to ruin my own life” arguments and frankly foolish comparisons to the Bolshevik revolution which I think is what’s setting you off here, I think a more apt analogy is Reagan getting boomers to sell off their rights for security, and then we lost both.

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u/tinchek May 18 '24

I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords.

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u/Vegetable_Tear3941 Mark and Eve Mar 28 '24

yeah not sure i am sold on the voice. it was good voice acting but I always thought she had a very deep mature voice

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u/Huihejfofew Mar 28 '24

Why

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u/MyARhold30Shots Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

I never read the comics and even I felt a bit underwhelmed by her voice. It isn't the worst but based on her design it just feels like her voice should be bit more deep and threatening. She sounds too "normal."

Even if it isn't deep it could still sound more intimidating like how Grey DeLisle's Azula voice sounds villainous without being deep. Speaking of that I feel like Grey DeLisle would be great if she was casted as Anissa (like her Thula voice in this show).

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u/mknsky Mar 29 '24

I love how normal it was. Made me think “should Mark fight her tho?” for a second. She sounds like she can be reasoned with, something I wouldn’t have felt if she came in sounding deep and threatening.

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u/Jolly_Mycologist69 Apr 01 '24

i mean grey already plays like 15 characters in this show how many more do you want?? lmao

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u/Poniibeatnik Atom Eve Mar 28 '24

I did imagine her voice deeper in the comics but I like the show voice. I like how calm and somewhat soft it is.

It makes her scarier in a good way.

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u/Misunderstood_Z Mar 28 '24

Yea I imagined her voice raspier and deeper

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u/Death_brick Mar 28 '24

Her voice actor is wraith in apex legends so they could definitely do that as well

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u/Narrow_Progress5908 Mar 28 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

For some reason I always felt like her voice would be similar to Asajj ventress 

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u/MyARhold30Shots Mar 29 '24

Asajj ventress 

I didn't know who that was, but looked up a clip of her and that's a much better voice

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u/RhymesWithMouthful Mar 28 '24

Nothing against Grey, but I was casting, I woulda called Jennifer Hale.

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u/forever87 Samantha Eve Wilkins Mar 28 '24

Grey voiced thula and Shantel voices Anissa

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u/MyARhold30Shots Mar 29 '24

I definitely was thinking that Grey would've been a much better choice for Anissa, especially after hearing her Thula voice

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u/Objective-Complex-31 Mar 29 '24

If by raspy you mean old yep. When I read the comics I kinda use marge voice for her