r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Mar 28 '24

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E07 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 7 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

As Mark attempts to salvage his personal life, a new villain arrives, presenting Invincible with his greatest challenge yet. Donald grapples with his past.

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u/JukeBox42069 Angstrom Levy Mar 28 '24

Speaking of her voice.. did anyone else expect her to sound more raspy?

Thats how I imagined her voice when reading the comics

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u/Future-Muscle-2214 Mar 28 '24

Her voice in the animated version would have made me side with the Viltrum empire.

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u/Sockenolm Mar 28 '24

Her arguments would have made me side with the Viltrum empire. Repair our climate? End world hunger? Yes please. Make yourselves right at home and feel free to use any of our sociopathic billionaires and their corrupt political muppets as punching bags or chew toys whenever you feel a little murdery. That's just a welcome bonus. If you could maybe stream it live on TV, that'd be awesome.

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u/Cicebro_ Mar 29 '24

It sounds good, but then you realize it’s the same arguments historical empires used to justify invading and “civilizing” conquered peoples. The Viltrum Empire would do what any other empire does, which is extract resources and wealth at the expense of the natives. The viltrumites cull the weak on their OWN planet. It’s all bs.

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u/Sockenolm Mar 29 '24

Which historical empire promised an end to world hunger, disease and climate catastrophes? Even if they had, it would have been a lie. Whereas the Viltrumites really do have the technology and knowledge to make this happen.

And it's not like our historical empires ever really ended. We're still exploiting the hell out of the Third World. As long as our coffee beans are cheap we don't care much about the terrible conditions that our governments continue to force on impoverished countries rather than sharing the global wealth equally. Meaning this idea that our autonomy is preferable to a poverty-free world under alien rule is extremely First World-centric. For most of humanity it would be a blessing.

Last but not least, we also need to take the the alternative into account. Even if peacefully surrendering to Viltrumite rule were a terrible choice, being forcefully conquered by a Viltrumite invasion force that devastates our infrastructure and kills millions seems worse by several light-years. The outcome would presumably be the same, only with far more death and destruction in one case. When faced with 2 bad choices, one of which is less bad than the other, it would be neither reasonable nor ethical to choose the worse option at the expense of the lives of others.

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u/Cicebro_ Mar 29 '24 edited Mar 29 '24

Obviously they never promised those exact things, but it’s white mans burden type of deal. Just think of those old late 1800s arguments imperial powers would use to justify colonizing “less advanced” societies. We can’t take the viltrumites at their word. They are a genocidal empire lol

I don’t agree with surrendering immediately because at this point in time we don’t know much about the viltrumites. Why don’t they send an army? There’s a reason they only send one or two agents to planets at a time. Also, with Mark, Nolan, and Allen we know we have some trump cards. It would be a bad idea to fold too early.