Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E07 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

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Episode 7 - I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE

As Mark attempts to salvage his personal life, a new villain arrives, presenting Invincible with his greatest challenge yet. Donald grapples with his past.

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[u/JukeBox42069]

Speaking of her voice.. did anyone else expect her to sound more raspy?

Thats how I imagined her voice when reading the comics

[u/Future-Muscle-2214 → u/JukeBox42069]

Her voice in the animated version would have made me side with the Viltrum empire.

[u/Sockenolm → u/Future-Muscle-2214]

Her arguments would have made me side with the Viltrum empire. Repair our climate? End world hunger? Yes please. Make yourselves right at home and feel free to use any of our sociopathic billionaires and their corrupt political muppets as punching bags or chew toys whenever you feel a little murdery. That's just a welcome bonus. If you could maybe stream it live on TV, that'd be awesome.

[u/igncom1 → u/Sockenolm]

Yeah we just have to become vassals to an empire that considers us little better then pets or cattle!

[u/Joeybfast → u/igncom1]

Have you see what corporations are fighting to dump in our waterways. We are treated worst than that now.

[u/KorianHUN → u/Joeybfast]

That is a common sentiment for revolutionaries who are the most gullible martyrs of all.
If you trade one shitty situation for another you end up just as bad or worse. People thought the Czar was bad, they got Stalin mass killing them, starting with his best revolutionaries.

[u/slphil → u/KorianHUN]

Viltrumites care so little about humans that it makes no difference to them whether they make us comfortable or kill us all. It's not comparable to anything in Earth history.

[u/Sockenolm → u/KorianHUN]

I agree with you in principle, but in this purely hypothetical and sadly fictional case where an alien species has the technology to fix all our problems from climate change over global inequality to cures for cancer, Alzheimer etc. I don't think past communist-in-name-only revolutions are a fair comparison.

We are currently headed for extinction, we'll take a large part of the biosphere with us, and there doesn't appear to be any realistic way of escaping the clutches of the fossil fuel industries at the global level and averting this disaster. Make that "mitigating". The "averting" ship has long sailed anyway seeing how many self-sustaining feedback loops we've already set in motion. Meaning in our reality, Invincible's and humanity's choice would be between extinction and survival. It really is that simple once the arctic is not only melting but on fire. A very different situation from the choice between a bloody revolution that only installs a different totalitarian leader versus slow change via democratic elections. We can't afford to act slow anymore with regard to climate change.

[u/thesagenibba → u/KorianHUN]

you really tried it, and failed. the czar was terrible, by the way

[u/Unwept_Skate_8829 → u/thesagenibba]

and so was stalin lol

[u/slphil → u/Unwept_Skate_8829]

The czar pretended to be European nobility and it cost millions of lives. Stalin industrialized the nation and it cost millions of lives. Like, yeah, they both suck, but they're not the same.

[u/PantyhoseBananaMouth → u/Unwept_Skate_8829]

the tzar was worse.

[u/Unwept_Skate_8829 → u/PantyhoseBananaMouth]

number of people sent to gulags during the entirey of the russian empire: 0

number of people sent to gulags during Stalins reign: 14 million

the numbers don't lie

[u/PantyhoseBananaMouth → u/Unwept_Skate_8829]

Lol. Thats because the tzar just murdered them and imprisoned people in places that were'nt called the gulag. Soviets were bad, not arguing that. But despite the horrific humans rights abuses at least they were able to improve the standard of living for a lot of people. Can't say the same about the tzar.

Numbers might not lie but people do.

[u/Significant_Hornet → u/Joeybfast]

The universe we saw where Mark and his dad take over Earth had billions dead

[u/igncom1 → u/Joeybfast]

Whelp guess we could just give up all human agency!

[u/TeaAndCrumpets4life → u/Joeybfast]

No we absolutely are not, this is lazy populist drivel to a dangerous degree

[u/WrethZ → u/Joeybfast]

Things being bad doesn't automatically make the alternative better.

[u/Sockenolm → u/igncom1]

Would this drastically change the life of the average working class person? I mean, aside from minor things like universal access to cures for virtually every disease incl. cancer. And even if there are downsides, what should we first worlders be willing to give up in exchange for global equality (among humans) and the end of poverty and disease? Not to mention a solution for climate change that would otherwise kill our grandchildren and potentially wipe out our entire species along with 80% of the biosphere.

[u/Ejecto_Seato → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I’m guessing it’s not exactly as presented, because a) what do the viltrumites get out of this and is being the figurehead really all they want, and b) if they are so benevolent why the need for so much threats and violence?

[u/Mookies_Bett → u/igncom1]

I mean, is that really much of a downgrade from our current society though? Ultimately she makes some compelling points.

[u/Curious_Umpire9247 → u/igncom1]

there is like 50 of them total there are average girls average that number as a body count. also most of them would appreciate a control freak, emotionally unavailable vulturmite partner!