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Invincible [COMIC SPOILER Discussion] - S02E06 - It's Not That Simple COMIC SPOILERS

Episode 6 - It's Not That Simple

After two challenging missions, The Guardians of the Globe struggle to work as a team. Meanwhile, Mark tries to balance his hero duties, personal relationships, and his future as a college student.

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u/The_ThirdOfMay_1973 Comic Fan Mar 21 '24

She's alive?!?

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u/IcariusFallen Mar 21 '24

Well.. I suppose I should have expected that, since they already changed the character from being a dude in the comics, and how much people were simping.

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u/4xy42 Mar 21 '24

Yeah, i guess it makes sense but I still wish they hadn't, kinda ruins the stakes of last episode when it was supposed to be a bloodbath and there's no real deaths.

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u/Senior-Ad-136 Mar 21 '24

They could still permanently kill Kate. I really like this Rae was severely underutilized still I want her to have at least one cool moment before she dies for real. And immortals development was much much better and turned from a character I disliked to liked within one episode.

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u/Recreational_martian Mar 21 '24

Kate will live, they havent deviated from the comics that much

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u/ShoninHero Mar 21 '24

If Kate has a 1 on her chest she's alive, the 1 signifies that she is the first copy, real Kate has a 0 on her chest. Unless they majorly deviated from that, I'm pretty sure she's fine. Meaning no one died to the Lizard League

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u/rodw Mar 21 '24

There was definitely no 0 in the lizard league fight. I had assumed 1-based indexing and made a note that they killed the #1 Kate.

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u/Unrealparagon Mar 22 '24

Have we ever seen a 0 on Dupli-Kate in show?

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u/TSM- Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24

Not yet. Th​is is the com​ic sp​oil​ers p​ost​. It may not be revealed until later, perh​aps nex​t se​ason, after her brother breaks out of jail.

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u/DoktorLuciferWong Mar 22 '24

Or if they decided to make this the first major deviation from the comic books, you know, maybe to catch readers off guard

That seems pretty low chance though

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u/BillyHayze Mar 24 '24

Once she “died” I immediately was like, “oh yeah, I remember her storyline in the comics, so I’m not really all that broken up about it,” and I’m sure most comic readers had them same feeling. If she just never shows back up throughout the remainder of the series, everyone would just think, “huh, I guess they really did kill her off in season 2.” The deviation would kill the impact of her death since they didn’t throw in anything to make someone familiar with the source material think otherwise.

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u/FireZord25 Mar 22 '24

I need to recheck, but have we seen it in her brother's as well or not?

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u/False_Adhesiveness40 Mar 21 '24

Dude, that would suck if they didn't do that plot line and instead just killed her off. Rae was the only one who should have died, and she should have.

She had her cool moment killing Salmander

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u/Senior-Ad-136 Mar 21 '24

Kate's death is much more important for the plot while Rae's would be empty shock value. In this very episode we see it affect immortal and rex and it could extend to eve and her brother.

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u/KatBoySlim Mar 21 '24

it’s not empty shock value.

the b-team was all that was left to fight what was assumed to be a jokey opponent, and one died in a horrific but completely plausible way given her powerset. this keeps the stakes real for the entire team moving forward.

now I’m wondering how many are actually going to die when robot turns.

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u/Blueguy16 Invincidrip Mar 22 '24

Not to mention who is he even gonna kill? They can’t use like, 90% of the other heroes. We aren’t even getting Tech jacket, one of the more important players, in the show

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u/KatBoySlim Mar 22 '24

maybe they’re saving her death for that.

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u/kiwicrusher Mar 28 '24

That's a good point. The show has a lot fewer heroes to burn through in big events like Invinvible War and robot's turn; keeping someone like Rae around for one of those would make sense

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u/TowerOfPowerWow Mar 22 '24

I bet they put in a stand in thats pretty much the same but enough to dodge legal stuff.

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u/Guy_Fleegmann Mar 22 '24

We can't get Tech Jacket at all in Invincible? Is that like a licensing thing or? I was hoping he'd show up, then we'd get a spin off!

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u/cc17776 Apr 07 '24

Omg no way, is this confirmed?

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u/suss2it Mar 22 '24

If Kate is actually dead this will still apply. And Robot can kill Bulletproof and the rest of those cameo heroes like Two-Punch Man 😅

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u/False_Adhesiveness40 Mar 21 '24

Yes, but Rae's death should have been the first major new Gaurdian death. That scene was tense, batshit insane, and it felt final. It added weight and stakes that this episode just took back.

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u/TSM- Mar 22 '24 edited Mar 22 '24

She ​may come b​ack only to meet h​er end later, and th​is is a way of keep​ing co​mic re​aders on their toe​s. The sh​ow has to throw in so​me wil​dcards. As much as I love the c​om​ic, and how it staye​d true to for​m, the show is not really suspe​nseful for the big​gest fans without feeling like som​ething differe​nt could happe​n.

And they really should build that feeling up, for the invincihe​ads. Follow​ing the or​iginal too muc​h mea​ns it is too predic​​table. If it just keeps doing that, then I a​lready kn​ow what hap​pens next an​yway, and it lack​s suspe​nse.

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u/False_Adhesiveness40 Mar 22 '24

Have you ever watched an anime show that stays almost 100% true to the Manga. Some people love that. I'm one of those. So I can't say I agree but that's ok.

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u/Rvsoldier Mar 22 '24

Almost everyone does. Deviation can be cool but it kills more anime than it helps. Go look at Tokyo Ghoul.

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u/suss2it Mar 22 '24

The overall story and spirit of the comic is still intact, changing minor things like this doesn’t really mean that much aside from proving comic first readers actually don’t know everything.

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u/Rvsoldier Mar 22 '24

I didn't complain about Invincible. The show's adaptation has been stellar and this isn't a big deal. There's a reason I said anime specifically lol.

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u/suss2it Mar 22 '24

You’re right, I was just piggybacking off your comment to voice my opinion on this.

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u/TSM- Mar 22 '24

I want the best of both worlds, deviating from the comic and keeping us guessing, while ultimately still staying true to the comic. Rae surviving is a good "so... I wonder if she dies later?" type of question, and I like that.

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u/lewd_necron Mar 24 '24

eh if it stayed 100% true, just read the original. Mediums are different, and its okay for those mediums to change things to better represent the material. Like I wouldnt expect a stage play to be exactly like a book. It would be a shitty play.

Coming from a guy that watches a lot of anime, anime-only scenes used to be garbage, but recently (like past decade) anime only scenes honestly have been pretty good and often add some nice additional context to shows.

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u/False_Adhesiveness40 Mar 24 '24

Yeah, hard disagree. Some people want to see their favorite comics/books/stories come to life. Most people think television is the better medium. It's just too expensive for more creaters until they have already succeeded.

I don't think I'd want anything to stay 100% identical because every show has flaws and things I dislike, but major story beats should stay the same. Unless it's something I personally don't like, of course.

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u/lewd_necron Mar 24 '24

So you don't want it 100% identical.

Your contradicting yourself in your next comment.

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u/False_Adhesiveness40 Mar 24 '24

I'm not contradicting myself at all.

I'm just saying everyone is going to have something they don't like even in their favorite shows or entertainment. It's more an exception than a rule.

As a whole, I prefer no change over a little here and there, depending on how much I like the original story. Of course, I wouldn't mind if they changed my least favorite scene in an entire book or comic. Who would?

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u/Godzilla6722 Mar 22 '24

agree, it feels like the early TWD seasons where every time a TV character would escape his/her comic fate, it was only to get another iconic end later (sometimes original, but mostly big upcoming moments from the comics where victims where changed).
Arguably the trend went a bit predictable after a while, but it used to keep comic readers on their toes

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u/Shrederjame Mar 21 '24

I think as others are hinting at they need her alive because they need more superheros to eventually deal with the fight against the army of invincible since were not getting other image heros showing up in the show. Like as it is the guardians would get bodied without more members.

Now, I dont think they are changing the fact that they are going to use her death instead of Rex but it is now something for us comic book readers to pounder at.

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u/incredibleamadeuscho Robot Mar 21 '24

Still too much Kate stuff, including her brother Multi-Paul

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u/TowerOfPowerWow Mar 22 '24

Yeah still dont like immortal hes just a tool. Invincible said it best when he called him out to take the device "dont let your ego get in the way" story of immortals life.

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u/suss2it Mar 22 '24

I don’t him as a person but I like him as a character. He always lets his ego and anger get the best of him. This show is real good at showing that superheroes can still be flawed people.

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u/Poniibeatnik Atom Eve Mar 21 '24

I guess I wouldn't mind if they swapped out Ray's death for Kate's in the show.

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u/Lordborgman Mar 21 '24

Stupid change if so, how Kate lives is sooo much cooler and well thought of for her power set.

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u/Poniibeatnik Atom Eve Mar 21 '24

Kate might still live. I'm mixed on Rae living though. On the one hand I love show Rae, on the other hand it does hurt the impact a bit.

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u/Lordborgman Mar 21 '24

Rae living just adds that "ok whose scenes do we steal and give to Rae so she has something to do" which is shit in every show/movie that does that.

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u/SnarkyBacterium Mar 21 '24

Tbh they could use her in place of some of the other Image characters they don't have the rights to use, like swapping her for Brit or the like for some future stories.

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u/Poniibeatnik Atom Eve Mar 21 '24

Probably this.

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u/JustBiz_Null Pentagon - Parking in Rear Mar 22 '24

Her ass isn't leading the Guardians nor lasting more than 10 seconds against Set lol

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u/ShoninHero Mar 21 '24

I mean, there's several characters in the comics the show can't use anymore for legal reasons, so she could probably be slotted somewhere in there to fill the gaps in the roster. They can't use Tech Jacket, Kid Thor, or Brit.

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u/dildodicks Invincidrip Apr 07 '24

well they literally have to steal scenes from brit and tech jacket since they can't use them so ye

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u/GNSasakiHaise Mar 21 '24

Since they can't do certain Invincible-adjacent characters, I'd imagine that she takes the place of some of the heroes Rudy eventually murders later on down the line.

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u/Uniqueguy264 Mar 21 '24

Worked for Daryl early walking dead

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u/MRgibbson23 Mar 21 '24

I don’t think I would mind that all that much. She only comes back when her brother does, and then she marries Immortal and sits in the sidelines for the rest of the comic book…

They could still do his brother’s story (I remember his name was Paul but not his codename, was it MultiPaul?) and Immortal could just get toghether with someone else.

I doubt so tho, I’m 99% sure she’s coming back, I jusr hope and also I’m pretty sure it’s handled better than in the comic books, I always thought it was pretty shitty of her she stays hidden then comes back only when his brother causes trouble. And she never says why! She just says she had to… Why not go back to the man you love, Kate?

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u/Nangz Mar 21 '24

Wait did I miss something? Kate is alive?

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u/GrimResistance Mar 22 '24

This is the comic spoiler thread

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u/Nangz Mar 22 '24

I understand that. Was making sure I didn't miss something in the episode and the entire assumption was based on her being alive later.

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u/suss2it Mar 22 '24

I feel like Rae did get her one cool moment when she Ant-Man Thanosed that one guy.