r/Invincible • u/CryptographerLost825 • Nov 26 '23
ANIMATION DISCOURSE S2 DISCUSSION
So it seems like since the last episode dropped, there’s been a lot of discourse around the animation for Season 2 overall. I’m going to try to give my most level-headed thoughts on this. As a passionate fan of the comic, after seeing how they adapted the fight on Thraxa, in my opinion the fight lacked and underdelivered on the sheer visceral gore and ferocity in the comic. This is one of the first few times I think that the show paled in comparison to the comic in terms of the scale, spectacle and amount of detail that was put into the comic. The issue is less about the blood and gore being shown in the episode, it’s more about the level of detail of the gore, battle damage and destruction. I think there’s nothing wrong in constructively levying criticism to a property I’ve immensely loved and only want to see thrive and constantly improve. In season 1 a lot of the focal moments like Guardians massacre, Machine head fight, Omni Man/Invincible showdown and by extension the Atom Eve special episode were massively improved and the elevated in grandiosity, scope and brutality, which is what I was expecting for the Thraxa fight but unfortunately its came off a bit weaker for me than the source material. Now overall I do think that S2 has stepped up the animation in terms of the character models, lighting and lack of CG models in the background, but it hasn’t made the animation really count where it matters most like in S1.
I think a lot of the fans that have concerns about how certain moments will be adapted in terms of the animation are valid. The comics only get crazier in blood, gore and spectacle from the Thraxa arc and if this animation we got for Thraxa is emblematic of how future moments will get translated, I think it’s alright to be mildly concerned. Now is it possible that they repurposed most of the budget towards the second half and namely the finale, where we’ll see the animation shine and pop off, sure. Until then I can only judge off of what we have so far. What do you guys think?
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Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
I agree tbh
Latest episode featured a brawl between 4 viltrumites going all out and yet Omni-Man just flying through the Flaxan planet in Season 1 felt much more powerful
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u/VandulfTheRed Rex Splode Nov 26 '23
To be fair, the Flaxan Omni-cide scene is, imo, one of the best animated scenes I've ever seen. Hard to reach that bar consistently
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Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
I'll assume you haven't watched much animation if you think that is top tier :pIt's not even about the technical aspect, it's about being creative about it. These guys can travel throughout planets within seconds, one punch of them can send the other flying and level several city blocks and yet their fight didn't convey that at all
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u/Viserionthegold The Viltrumites Nov 26 '23
I think the animation in the season 1 fights were somehow… better? I can’t put my finger on what’s missing exactly in season 2, and it doesn’t look bad but the big fights in season 1 were much more well done imo
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u/AmericanVenom1901 General Kregg Nov 26 '23
The impact of punches was a lot stronger than in s2. In s2 they lack the much needed oomph.
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u/W1D0WM4K3R Nov 27 '23
That scene when Cecil hits Omni-man with the Hammer. Mmmm.
Now it's flying guys punching each other pretty hard.
Still enjoying the series, though!
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u/Seemseasy Nov 27 '23
Although that scene also includes the laughable stiff crows falling
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u/Jive_turkie Nov 27 '23
I think its because Omni-man vs regular superheroes is meant to make him seem OP because he is, Mark isn't on par with Nolan so his fights are lesser on earth then its Viltrimite vs Viltrimite so the punches are less devestating
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u/Superman557 Nov 27 '23
I would also say speed to. Take the Invincible vs Omni-Man fight from season 1 and now we have 4 of them fighting at the same time yet it feels slow and the blows lack impact (not counting that one nasty back shot Nolan took at the end. I felt that one.)
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u/p_yth Nov 26 '23
For some reason the fight between the immortal and omniman/invincible in the s2 opener was really good though
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u/SoCool- Amber Bennett Nov 27 '23
Yeah, i was a bit shocked with the plot of the episode, but rewatching the 4th one, the fight with the immortal seemed much better, the biggest problem i have is the amount of time they spend not hitting each other when there is a clear opening could have been fixed dramatically
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u/Burnbrook Nov 26 '23
Frames. There is the intermittent use of motion comic-style animation that grants a slideshow-like effect that was a break from standard format.
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u/Ensaru4 Allen the Alien Nov 27 '23
The show uses a lot of tweening, so stuff feels stiff. I just wanna preface and say tweening is not a bad thing, but it also needs proper configuring just like any other tool.
This season also uses less screen shake and very little to nonexistent impact effects than the previous season. If your animation is limited, adding screen shake would help in selling impact.
I also think the Allen scene could've been a bit more convincing. Allen is being punched in space but isn't affected by the lack of friction and not reacting to those impacts as one would in Space. I know the series might just have its own space logic but I did wish they treated space differently.
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u/platinum_jimjam Nov 27 '23
I'm not excited to watch extremely quiet and muffled space fights, we have several left lol.
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u/KingLehmon_III Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
The end when General Kregg is ominously warning Mark that if earth resists he will kill millions only to turn around and “float” to the ship a couple hundred feet away at like 3.5mph lol
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u/Fishery_Price Nov 27 '23
To be fair they’re all powerful almost immortals. They can move slow and be patient
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u/Magical_wizard_ Nov 26 '23
I’m no expert on animation but an extremely detailed background like the left image is not only extremely difficult to animate, but also would take away from the fights happening in the foreground by crowding the frame
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Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
That background also appears only in that one panel, the fight itself takes place on mostly rocky terrain, they could've at least shown something similar for this one frame to truly portray what was at stake. Overall it felt pretty lackluster in comparison to what came before
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u/Alexo_Alexa Nov 26 '23
This background isn't there when the fight happens, It appears before the fights as to convey how brutal the viltrumites were with the Thraxans. If it was adapted for the show It'd be there for a minute at most (wouldn't even need to animate it if used properly) and would've done SO much more for this particular scene.
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u/Icy-Dragonfruit-7169 Nov 26 '23
Anime pulls that crap off on the daily
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u/AscendantAxo Nov 27 '23
Can you guess at to why lol
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u/-Boobs_ Nov 27 '23
Not all studios though, Bones, Kyotoani, Siencesaru etc all treat their employees really well and produce amazing content
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u/2-2Distracted Nov 27 '23
Ask studio MAPPA how that's going for them currently lol
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u/JohnnyAK907 Nov 26 '23
If you've read the comic, a scene like that is literally "Tuesday." The chase scene between Lucan, Mark and Andressa should have been just as epic.
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u/WeirdBryceGuy Nov 26 '23
Lmao watch any anime. Even from this year old. An average episode of JJK>all of Invincible
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u/IrishRox J. K. Simmons Nov 26 '23
Avg animator treatment on Invincible >>>> JJK. That's why.
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u/blaquarius Debbie Grayson Nov 27 '23
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u/deadfeesh Nov 27 '23
yeah but they actually gave the time to the invincible animators we waited 2 and a half years. problem with mappa is that they dont get that time so they work 14 hour days.
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u/blaquarius Debbie Grayson Nov 27 '23
…but mappa also has a bunch of experienced animators on staff while maven is a relatively new studio. i’m not saying invincible’s animation is good, but mappa is a ridiculous standard to expect. most studios don’t have the roster of animators that mappa does, and wouldn’t accomplish the same level in 2.5 years without some seasoned veterans.
that being said, i do think amazon should consider hiring studio mir - they would do justice on the fight scenes.
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u/Even-Fun8917 Nov 27 '23 edited Dec 03 '23
Japan try not to exploit the excellence of mankind through prescriptive cultural norms challenge (impossible)
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u/BestBoogerBugger Nov 27 '23
JJK is not a standart for animation in anime.
Majority of anime have very stiff, cardboardy animation.
Even fucking Dragon Ball couldn't get great animation and artwork, outside of Z and the movies.
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u/Nikolite Nov 26 '23
Aw come on that has to be pure hyperbole. Artistically with the music and ambience it was great sure, but the best? Not even close. I 'm not an anime guy but watch this 5 minutes from Attack on Titan and tell me this doesn't blow out the water anything Invincible has put out.
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u/seriouslyuncouth_ Nov 26 '23
I wish we could stop using the word "mid" when we mean "bad"
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Nov 26 '23
Yeah. Both that and the inverse (calling something that is mediocre or ok “garbage”) really makes it hard to take some evaluations seriously. The number of times I see “PS2-level graphics” on discussions is hilariously high.
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u/seriouslyuncouth_ Nov 27 '23
Its funny because most of the time someone says PS2 graphics I look at what they're talking about and it fits right at home on the PS3
Like that's still fucking bad guys. Multi million dollar movies with a heavy focus on CGI shouldn't have PS3 models. Stop over exaggerating
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u/Da_reason_Macron_won Nov 26 '23
I mean, yeah. The animation is just not that good. What makes it weird is that Invincible seems to be quite a pop culture phenomenon so you would expect the budget to be there if people asked for it.
People will shit on it comparing it with anime, but even if you compare it with other US action show with much less of a cultural impact (see: Young Justice or the Powerhouse Animation stuff) it still doesn't look that good. It's not bad animation, but it's not up to the quality you would expect for Amazon's flagship animated series.
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u/MetalliicMango Nov 26 '23
You'd think that, but remember that worldwide phenomena like Walking Dead and Breaking Bad suffered from budget cuts. Companies will cut as many corners as they can unfortunately.
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u/JohnnyAK907 Nov 26 '23
I think Amy Sherman Palladino said it best, "there's orcs to pay!"
Amazon picked the wrong GD pony too many times in the last couple of years. Seems like the strike gave them time to step back and reassess, but damage is already done for a lot of good series.
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u/uniguy2I Nov 26 '23
Considering Jeff Besos personally financed The Expanse because it’s his favourite series, I have no doubt it’s in good hands.
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u/SaintFoehammer Nov 26 '23
Plus, The Expanse is the exception to Amazon's Rule. It's obvious Bezos loves the IP, and yeah there's some weird choices in there, but it's not as egregious as Rings of Power for example.
Plus the series chose probably the best place for a hiatus inbetween seasons, without giving book spoilers.
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u/Garchompula The Lizard League Nov 27 '23
I'm pretty sure Jeff Bezos could singlehandedly fund Invincible season 3 off loose pocket change lmao
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u/Magical_wizard_ Nov 26 '23
Walking dead also had some abysmal cgi in parts
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u/tyc20101 Nov 26 '23
The axe slipping into the ground perfectly was so noticeably out of place
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Nov 26 '23
But didnt a lot of fans check out of the walking dead after some seasons?
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u/MetalliicMango Nov 26 '23
That was more of a writing thing, happened around seasons 5 or 6. But the budget cuts happened as early as season 2.
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u/Current-Pianist1991 Nov 26 '23
Its because if something reaches a peak popularity, how do you milk more money from it? You start cutting corners elsewhere.
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u/schebobo180 Nov 26 '23
Tbvh I would not be surprised if most of the budget went to the cast.
I mean, the cast is phenomenal, but yeah the animation is incredibly average, and at times poor.
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u/ARandomGuyThe3 Nov 26 '23
But the cast is also PHENOMENAL you have to admit. Some of the best VAing out there
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u/KWash0222 Nov 27 '23
The cast is great but there are definitely times when you can tell they are not seasoned voice actors.
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u/Whiskey_623 Nov 26 '23
It's the lack of shading/art style I think. Idk why but it reminds me of that 2017 Spider-Man show that lacked any shading
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u/Fresh_Cauliflower176 Nov 26 '23
Yeah, the lack of shading is definitely noticeable. I was hoping season 2 and onwards would look like the season 2 diner teaser where there was much more shading and generally more fluid animation. I get that that was a 2 minute teaser but I thought with the 2+ year wait and the popularity the show gained from season 1, that we would get higher quality animation. That doesn’t seem to be the case, at least so far. Hopefully it improves soon.
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u/zuesthedoggo Nov 27 '23
The teaser wasn't really meant to be emblematic of the artstyle in the show, it was just a trailer made by derpixon and not the main team working on invincible
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u/JimmyAndKim Nov 26 '23
The biggest problem is by far the movement. It never looks convincing
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u/Not_a_real_asian777 Nov 26 '23
There's a lot of scenes in Invincible where it kinda just looks like the characters are being slid into place rather than actually drawn in motion. The scene where Donald is watching that security video of Omni-Man, Omni-Man just sort of slides forward like a 2005 flash animation. It honestly kind of reminds me of the really low budget Boruto episodes.
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u/Eem2wavy34 Nov 27 '23
This reminded me of the scene of omni man flying into outer space https://youtu.be/Y7Pv9_qLJFI?si=6GV3jM3kCriq2oZf
The exact same frame throughout, looked so lazy it deadass took me out of the emotional context of the moment
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u/Temporal_Enigma Nov 26 '23
What's worse is waiting 2 years because it "takes a long time to animate," but this is what we get.
Also, delaying Part 2 of season 2
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u/FernFromDetroit Nov 26 '23
Wait, they’re splitting up this season into two parts and delaying it? Ugh, I hate when they do that.
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u/socialistbcrumb Nov 26 '23
It does sort of come off quite bland/flat sometimes, there’s a lack of convincing lighting. I think the fluidity of the animation is actually pretty decent (at least in spurts, like Mark fighting off the Viltrumite woman) even if it’s not Cowboy Bebop.
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u/GTCapone Nov 27 '23
I get the impression that with a limited animation budget they've chosen to sacrifice quality in some scenes to improve it in others.
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u/TheMcSpanky Nov 26 '23
You do have to remember that more popularity also usually comes with more executive and shareholders' eyes on it too.
And while I don't personally know how theirs are, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Amazon wanted to cut corners somewhere.
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u/Sharebear42019 Nov 26 '23
Budget is only apart of it. Most anime have similar budgets but animators like ufotable vs some random company is night and day. It comes down to talent and time frame of making it
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u/GatoradeNipples Nov 26 '23
Most anime have similar budgets but animators like ufotable vs some random company is night and day.
I think this is kind of the kicker a lot of people are missing. Invincible isn't being animated by some legendary studio that's been around for years. It's being animated by Wind Sun Sky, a very new studio who basically hadn't done a "real" project before Invincible and mostly are active doing contract animation for mobile games.
It's kind of a similar situation to Castlevania putting Powerhouse on the map. No matter how much money you throw at the studio, no matter how long you give them, things are gonna start out kind of rough. And then, as the studio's toolchain becomes more mature and the studio develops an internal knowledge-base and brings on more and better talent, things start getting better. Castlevania's early janky s1 animation ends up becoming that fucking sick as hell Trevor vs. Death fight from s4, for example.
We're seeing Invincible follow the same arc in production quality, and it's doing it relatively fast. Season 2 isn't Fate: Heaven's Feel or Edgerunners, but it's not taking nearly as many janky shortcuts as s1 did (we've only seen a couple of very quick shots where flying is represented as one frame getting tweened around the background, whereas that was everywhere in s1), and the big Viltrumite fight scene in s2e4 had some genuinely insanely good storyboarding work and animation that punches a lot closer to that weight than I expected. It's gone from being a show that honestly looks outright shabby, and is being carried entirely by its writing and VA, to a show that I can at least trust to give me a decent fight scene when necessary; if they keep trending up, we'll be having different conversations about s3/4/5 than we are about 2.
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u/Bulky_Tour6966 Rex Splode Nov 26 '23
With the money given it should’ve been but they wasted it on the voices instead
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u/Educational_Fox_1048 Cecil Stedman Nov 26 '23
They are right unfortunately, even tho i hate talking about this topic
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u/ggggyyy211 Nov 26 '23
For me the animation style/quality is holding the show back from being good to great🤷♂️
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u/ProfffDog Nov 27 '23
I actually have a very different nitpick i dont see coming up, but for me it’s the sound-matching to the animation. For a lot of the more action-transitory scenes the lines and momentum is 1-2-3; for instance Mark and Nolan talking is done as usual, high standards. Angstrom is no-dead-space
But a lot of the more simple scenes, like High School especially, there’s a weird pause between lines and there’s not a lot of animation happening on screen…so it’s like we’re observing Mark and Amber talk like Oblivion characters, where each soundclip needs to complete before we can move on. I thought Debbie and the GG’s widower had Sexual Tension until i realized, “nope, just awkward dead air in the scene…”
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u/MARATXXX Nov 27 '23
The pauses are a stylistic affectation of the comic. They are supposed to reflect the characters internal reflection.
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u/ProfffDog Nov 27 '23
Then ANIMATE IT. Like if Kirkman included a separate panel showing the character considering it, then animate a character thinking like 🥺 or 😳 or 🤔. What we got is
Mark: “I love you Amber, but my obligations are now literally going to another galaxy now. 😐”
Amber: “Boy, I really like Mark but he’s gone a lot. Dating a superhero is hard. 😐”
Eve: “Yeah I really hate my life and want to jump his bones, but Like The Stones say.. 😐”
In about 1 season, every journey is going to be PTSD inflicting on characters, and their inner-conflict panels are represented by “😐”
One example, bc I redid S1 with S2 us when Amber says she’s done with it, and Mark runs away to HIS CRUSH like a dumb teenager, she just goes 🤨, showing he just took the fucking L and doesn’t understand people, let alone women.
So in a couple seasons, way down the line, we will get: “Maybe we loved each other helping to escape, but I don’t recognize you. 😐” “Yeah, maybe 500 years of freedom, who you knew is long gone 😐”
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u/boogers19 Burger Mart Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
Why? What's wrong with this topic?
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u/Educational_Fox_1048 Cecil Stedman Nov 27 '23
It's just because everyone talks about it already
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u/Alarming-Ad1100 Nov 27 '23
It’s better than acting like it’s no big deal when it could and should be so much more
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u/Bran_the_Builder Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
As someone who works professionally as an animator, I have absolutely no problem with the conversations around the animation this season and think they should be happening. I've seen a lot of people try to shut it down with stuff like "DO YOU WANT THE ANIMATORS TO BE WORKED TO DEATH?!?!" which feels disingenuous because obviously that's not what people are saying...
The animation is just plain low quality, and everyone can tell. The fact that it's obvious to people who would otherwise never give a shit about animation quality (seriously, I've never seen a conversation happen at this scale before) should be a wake up call to them. Maybe it's just because we live in a post-Spiderverse world, but they seriously underestimated how important the quality of the animation was. They're blowing the entire budget for the show on the absurdly stacked celebrity voice cast, and the animation team is being mostly forgotten. And that's absolutely inexcusable when the show is being produced by Amazon of all companies. We all know how much money they have. They could literally afford to hire a team of 5,000 animators to animate the show in a month, hire all the celebrity voice actors they want, and probably not even put a dent in their daily revenue...
At the end of the day, there's really no good excuse for how bad the show looks sometimes, and I hope the negative reactions to the animation this season makes them reconsider the way the budget gets used for future seasons.
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u/LewdProphet The Mauler Twins Nov 26 '23
After the first episode of season 2 aired, I remember someone bringing up the animation and the entire board jumped on them. It seems the discourse is becoming a little less one-sided now that we have multiple episodes to gauge.
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u/boogers19 Burger Mart Nov 27 '23
No "entire" board has jumped on me yet.
But I got a nice collection of downvotes this month for bringing this up.
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u/BigBoi1159511 Nov 26 '23
As someone who watches a lot of anime, season 1 of invincible was pretty mid animation wise and season 2 is just worse, compare it to animes like one punch man, attack on titan, cyber punk edgerunners, violet evergarden or even rick and morty Invincible just looks cheap.
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u/JillSandwich117 Nov 26 '23
Comparing the episode 4 fight to the last couple of episodes of Jujitsu Kaisen is night and day, and that's with Mappa falling apart under crunch.
But thinking about Western animated action, I can't really think of much that comes close to the bar that some of the better animated anime hits. Maybe Clone Wars with its insane budget.
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u/Reddragon351 Nov 27 '23
Castlevania and other stuff made by Powerhouse, they have an Anime aesthetic but they are a western studio, I'd also throw in stuff like Rise of the TMNT and certain scenes from TOH were pretty damn well done
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u/jepifish Nov 26 '23
Arcane but Fortiche took years and a union animated studio based in France. So they have money, time, and good working conditions.
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u/AdequatelyMadLad Nov 27 '23
Arcane was made on a totally unrealistic budget for any other series. It's pointless to bring it up.
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u/Neversoft4long Nov 27 '23
Clone Wars season 7 siege of Mandalore legit was the greatest western animation I have ever seen. The Ahsoka vs Maul fight is rewatched once every few months just because how good it looks
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u/awsomedutchman Nov 26 '23
I've seen the working environment for japanese animators. They work (almost) 24/7. Last bit of AOT was appearantly finished hours before release. Not that weird it looks good if the animators are being exploited to the max. Not excusing the quality this season of invincible.
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u/BigBoi1159511 Nov 27 '23
The AOT situation is solely on MAPPA studios' absolute dogshit management lately. They are known for taking on more projects than they can handle and are currently crumbling. Most of the other animation houses are relatively doing better when it comes to employee treatment. Look at one punch man, that had a normal development cycle and is one of the best animated animes to date.
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u/Several_Repeat_5447 Nov 27 '23
Most animation studios aren’t as bad as MAPPA, but they’re still very hectic and I would argue most anime projects are worked in very tight deadlines.
It’s actually getting a lot more common that anime episodes are finished last minute.
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Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
THANK YOU. A lot of times when I see people wishing for video games to come out faster or for animation to be better there will be an entire parade of people going "DON'T YOU CARE ABOUT THE ANIMATORS? WELL, I, PERSONALLY WILL WAIT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE IF IT MEANS WE GET A GOOD PRODUCT."
Like... guys... a video game that has taken 7 years to release doesn't need more time to cook, it needs either better management or more resources. (Same potentially goes for Invincible.) No one wants animators or developers to be abused, they just want the project to succeed.
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u/viper459 Nov 27 '23
the problem is that everyone points at stuidios who do exploit their animators to the bone as the example of how to "do it right"
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u/Mtwat Nov 27 '23
"I've seen a lot of people try to shut it down with stuff like "DO YOU WANT THE ANIMATORS TO BE WORKED TO DEATH?!?!" which feels disingenuous"
I hate this so much, it's called a false dichotomy and dickheads in the comments absolutely love them.
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u/akdelez Nov 27 '23
I've seen a lot of people try to shut it down with stuff like "DO YOU WANT THE ANIMATORS TO BE WORKED TO DEATH?!?!"
then delay the product if it's not ready
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u/boogers19 Burger Mart Nov 27 '23
seriously, I've never seen a conversation happen at this scale before
They may be exasperating the problem with the lack of content too.
Give us friggin episodes to talk about, and I bet we'd all rather discuss the content of those episodes instead of the quality of its looks.
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Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
I see some people in this thread comparing this to anime so I feel like I should remind everyone how The Seven Deadly Sins' animation went downhill. That fight was about as important and hyped up as the Viltrumite fight was. Or how about Record of Ragnarok and its Zeus fight? I'm just saying, not everyone's MAPPA or Ufotable.
When it comes to western superhero animated shows, here's a group fight from last year's season 4 of Young Justice . The environmental destruction isn't really what you'd expect to see from a fight with Superman but at least there's lore reasons for that and there wasn't that much in the Viltrumite fight either.
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u/Eem2wavy34 Nov 27 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
Why use that young justice scene when there are many better snimated scenes than this in previous season? ? Why not use spectacular spiderman? Justice league unlimited? Or “the Batman” cartoon? Ie shows that have outstanding animation?
Dude this is just an excuse for mediocrity.
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Nov 26 '23
I think they were right by framing it as "below the bar" I love invincible and this show deserves and needs better animation.
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u/boogers19 Burger Mart Nov 27 '23
I'd hate to be Walker or Ottley right now.
If imitation is the highest form of flattery, those guys must be feeling pretty damn insulted.
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u/asscop99 Nov 26 '23
You can mask the poor animation quality by just having more blood and ripped clothes. For whatever reason they choose sub par animation and little to no blood this season
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u/Warrior-pigeon- Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
Honestly yeah as much as I wanted to enjoy it I got bored in the middle of the fight at some point. And it’s not even just an animation thing because you can hide shoddy animation with good action directing but even that felt lackluster.
I was willing to excuse some rough patches in S1 because of the terrible schedule but at this point is there any reason why they can’t hire freelancers to help out on these episodes?
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u/Tw3lve1212 Nov 26 '23
People talk about the season 1 animation being great like the Mars episode didn't happen lmfao.
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u/bwood246 The Lizard League Nov 26 '23
The fucking birds and horrible CGI crowds of people running out of sync with everything else as well
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u/FaithlessnessLess673 Nov 26 '23
Ye I really do not get how people are praising season one’s animation, it had even worse animation than season two imo.
Where season one shined was in it’s direction of the animation with a prime example of that being Omni-Man destroying the Flaxan dimension. That scene does not have particularly good or even decent animation but it was covered up by the use of black and red lighting alongside good shot choices.
Season two, for whatever reason, just isn’t as well directed as season one was and it’s hurting the quality of the show.
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u/pippa420 Rex Splode Nov 26 '23
I can’t seem to find the specific tweet of it but i remember after s1 had aired but long before s2 dropped there was a thread going around where someone who worked on Invincible s1 talked about how they were severely mismanaged and often had to crunch to get things done on time. Now, I can’t seem to find the tweet so I’m not sure if they were sent a cease and desist or if they were just lying (although I doubt that’s true because this was long after the hype for s1 died down) but if true this might have something to do with the “lackluster” animation.
Either way the Animation Guild is possibly going on strike this summer and production workers on Invincible had voted to unionize with the guild
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u/JimothyJollyphant Nov 26 '23
Either way the Animation Guild is possibly going on strike this summer and production workers on Invincible had voted to unionize with the guild
Ruh roh!
All power to them, honestly
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u/lghtdev Nov 26 '23
Yeah the animation is not great, but it should be good at least in big moments, the viltrumites invasion is that moment, the fights should have better animation, but most of the time it felt cheap and rushed, and that's concerning. We know the show have a high budget, but it isn't translating in better animation, it seems most of it goes to the VAs.
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u/Scottacus91 Nov 26 '23
Amazon could throw some money at the show but instead we got mid animation.
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u/DangerousCyclone Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
There are lots of mistakes, but S1 being better? What? Remember the scene where Mark is tumbling through that street and it’s literally just two frames looped over and over? Or all the use of 3D Models from the Flaxan soldiers and to some of the civilians in that aforementioned scene?
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u/Superguy230 Battle Beast Nov 26 '23
Yeah I watched the scene where Nolan fights the soldiers and it looked so much worse than I remember lol
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u/CushmanWave-E Battle Beast Nov 26 '23
The scene where Mark gets punched into chicago is super well animated, its visceral as hell and still shocks me, I think its noticeable the sound design also feels lacking compared to S2
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u/DangerousCyclone Nov 26 '23
It’s a powerful scene, but it’s not well animated. When Mark is tumbling through the street, it’s just two frames looped over and over, there are a lot of frames missing from him tumbling the whole way. When we see the innocent bystanders many are 3D models and not drawn. You can even see that their mouths don’t move as they scream in panic at the initial crash.
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u/InfinityMan6413 Nov 27 '23
Yeah imo this show up to 204 has been carried purely by the insanely good writing and direction. The animation itself has always been lacking imo but hopefully that’s something that’ll improve with the seasons like Clone Wars did
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u/Handlesmcgee Nov 26 '23
At this point it’s gonna be tradition. All the same stuff was said last season. The budget is definitely bigger though way less statics in the background the story this season is telling is massive there’s a good reason they are breaking up this season it will be amazing in the places it needs to be and acceptable in the places it can like all projects that actually have to come out
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u/HyperViper997 Nov 26 '23
The big Viltrumite fight is the biggest dissapointment of the series so far. In the books, that is the first real fight Mark is ever in. The first time we see Omni Man not fuck around. I was mad as hell to see Mark and his opponent literally STANDING and boxing not flying and smashing the daylights out of eachother.
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u/Reitter3 Nov 26 '23
Its subpar compared to almost any other animation i watched the last 3 years tbh its simply not good
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Nov 26 '23
I think part of the issue is that it’s very basic right? Like it doesn’t stand out in any significant way. It doesn’t have any unique style to it. Just very by the numbers.
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u/Scottish__Elena Nov 26 '23
yeah, the animation is painfully average, specially if we consider that is the second most popular show in amazon prime, even trash like rick and morty is better in the tecnical level.
To be clear, the animation is ok as is, i am not asking jujutsu kaisen level of production value, but this is supposed to be THE super heroe show about interplanet politics and the complex consecuences of fascism, not a generic kids show you watch when you are bored.
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u/MetalliicMango Nov 26 '23
Rick and Morty does have genuinely impressive and creative fights and action.
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u/Hitchfucker Nov 26 '23
Rick and Morty has bad human character designs but the visuals and backgrounds can be genuinely very impressive at times and it’s become pretty fluid animation wise. Invincible’s art is just meh. It’s not distractingly bad, and it certainly doesn’t need to be a visual marvel like Arcane or Edgerunners, but it doesn’t have anything to stand out in it’s art or anything that plays with or enhances the genre. Nor does it really do anything with specific episodes to add flavor to its baseline animation like what Rick and Morty or BoJack Horseman does. It’s not awful and it certainly doesn’t ruin the experience of the show, but it’s below average which is weird for such a high profile show (no discredit to the animators I’m sure they weren’t given the best working conditions).
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u/MACHO_MUCHACHO2005 The Mauler Twins Nov 26 '23
I wouldn't call the character designs in rick and morty bad since they are not going for realism. They are doing very stylized designs, and they nail them the way they want.
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u/McMacHack Nov 26 '23
Rick and Morty was originally going to have much better character designs but during the pitch meetings Dan decided that he liked the crappy rough sketches better and decided to double down on the simplified design. Which blossomed into a whole art style that is being reused (Solar Opposites) and intimated (Star Trek Lower Decks). Sometimes less is more, but you have to start low then work your way up. You can't have cinema level trailers then PBS level animation in the show.
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u/stokedchris Nov 26 '23
I agree with you but Rick and Morty is not trash, at least the first two seasons weren’t
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u/Infinity2437 Nov 26 '23
Honestly seasons 5 and 6 had a few good episodes and season 7 has been getting pretty good
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u/1kg_of_feathers Nov 26 '23
Seasons 1-2 are great, 3 was decent, and I completely forgot I watched season 4
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u/A_cat_killed_me Nov 27 '23
It’s funny you bring up JJK, as MAPPA (the animation company behind it) is known for forcing extreme time constraints on their animators. Like if you watch the most recent episodes, they big fight scenes are just a bunch of stills, with the camera panning from top to bottom. It is extremely painful to watch. Like it’s as if invincible had half the time bad
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u/Scottish__Elena Nov 27 '23
I know, that is why i am NOT asking for that, its just that this is supposed to be amazon's second most popular show, it should have higher production value.
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u/Rex_Bolt Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
Yeah after the long break I've been more aware of the animation, trying to figure out why the new season would take so long. I know there are a lot of terrible stories about crunch on animation, so I hate to nit pick.
But.....
There was a lot of corner cutting in animation. I hope the conditions get better if that's an issue, but I it's hard to make excuses for Amazon. I know there's a lot more to it than we know
Been re-watching some Rick and Morty and can't help but compare the 2 and R/M never felt short on animation depth the way Invisible S2 has
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u/Batmanfan1966 Nov 26 '23
I read someone describe invincible’s art style as “the generic style you’d see in a fake comic in a movie” and that perfectly sums it up
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u/MirageMeld Nov 27 '23
In season 1, when animation deteriorated in quality, it usually signified that an absolutely phenomenal fight scene was around the corner. They were clearly finessing the budget they had to make the key story moments pop and it worked great for them.
In contrast, season 2 has been pretty lacklustre. The fight scenes haven’t been as impactful or well-paced and the animation quality is just consistently mid. It’s pretty shocking considering the popularity (and presumably the higher budget) of the show.
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u/AC-Geronimo Nov 26 '23
I also don't really understand the long break with splitting the season in half, maybe I'm just ignorant and it's because the writer strike etc but it feels kinda weird to have pretty bland animation and still have such a delay. Animation takes a lot of time obviously and no doubt so did this , but the visual quality to me just doesn't feel like it's on par with such a loved show that's as big as it Is and with what, 2 years of time before this season?
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u/spinny09 Pentagon - Parking in Rear Nov 26 '23
I hope they adapt the style from the s2 teaser with Allen and mark at burger mart. That looked amazing and I feel like it would elevate the show so much. But the animation overall feels rushed and pretty unimpressive overall. The art style is good, though. I really like seeing the characters interpretations in the different art style.
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u/Zegram_Ghart Nov 27 '23
I’ve found this season of Invincible embarrassingly poorly animated.
But I think part of it is literally the next day I started watching “Blue eyed samurai” on Netflix, which is literally the most absurdly and beautifully animated show I’ve ever seen, so I think that was causing an unfair amount of bias.
I’ll spin back around and watch S2 in a few months, but right now it’s sorta killed my desire to watch it.
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u/DrPeroxide Nov 26 '23
I am hoping that the quality drop is in large part due to the same reason the season was delayed so badly: COVID. Assuming this is just an artefact from that, future episodes should be better.
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u/schebobo180 Nov 26 '23
I don't know, how much did COVID really impact things?
I think we need to be careful in constantly using it as an excuse.
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u/Infinity2437 Nov 26 '23
Invincible came out during covid, meaning S1 production was before/during and S2 was during/towards the end
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u/Silver-Challenge-633 Nov 26 '23
Seems like Ppl use that excuse for anything nowadays
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u/Viserionthegold The Viltrumites Nov 26 '23
Absolutely because it’s highly unlikely that would affect Season 2 in any way. Season 1, sure, even though that also came out after Covid… but Season 2? It’s time to let go of using that as an excuse
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 Nov 26 '23
I mean, season 1 came out after Covid, there is no way season 2 that’s over 2 and a half years later is impacted THAT much
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u/grobblegook Nov 26 '23
tbf the production for s1 started before covid, while the entire production for this season happened during it
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u/YourBigRosie Nov 26 '23
Came out after? It was barely the start of 2021 my guy. Covid was still very much a thing then
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u/Graynard Nov 26 '23
If not COVID, then I hope it's because they're going the route of some anime (looking at you DBS) where they very obviously saved the lion's share of the animation budget for closer to the end of the season
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Nov 27 '23
Fight on Thraxa failed to deliver previously established standards in s1 and Atom Eve special
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u/Fresh_Cauliflower176 Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
Kinda sorta related to this but I’ve seen some people both here and on YouTube say that the animation doesn’t matter and that people are just finding things to complain about. This is just wrong. This is an animated series, which is a visual medium, so the show looking visually appealing is important. People criticizing a show for its poor animation quality, especially for a show of this size and in in important moments like the Thraxa fight, isn’t them “finding things to complain about.”
Episode 4 specifically is the mid-season finale that Kirkman hyped up as something that will blow everyone’s mind and surpass the season 1 finale, so people’s expectations are raised higher from that. When you watch the episode itself tho, the animation looks cheap and mediocre, so it’s only natural for people to be extra disappointed.
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u/just_a_funguy Nov 28 '23
It is actually wild how people think the animation in an animated show doesn't matter and should be an afterthought. Really shows the state of animation in the west
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u/PaulNewmansAbs Nov 26 '23
The first season did a great job adapting visual elements from the comic and often improving on them- however, the style of those early issues was admittedly a lot simpler. As the comic went on, Ottley and the rest of the art team became more skilled, and the action sequences got more and more detailed and vividly rendered (and, of course, more gorey). The show has a hell of a task in trying to approximate that in animation, and it's only gonna get harder. So, to start with, that's something to keep in mind.
With that being said, yeah, the actual quality of the animation has left something to be desired this season- but my issue is more with the direction than anything. My biggest complaint with the Thraxa fight is that it just wasn't very interestingly choreographed. I could care less about gore or CG models or animation shortcuts as long as there are dynamic visual ideas being presented; but when compared to the major fights in S1, and especially the Atom Eve special, it just didn't reach those same heights- either in terms of fluidity or creativity. And considering that it was meant to be a pretty major moment for the season, it doesn't inspire much confidence in the future. Especially with the talk of aiming for shorter turn-around between seasons.
People have suggested it's an issue of budget or that Covid took a toll on production, and maybe that's true- and like you said OP, maybe the second half is where a lot of that money and time went. Idk. I definitely hope so
I'm choosing to be cautiously optimistic, but I gotta be honest, my expectations have been very tempered by episode 4.
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u/sting2_lve2 Oliver Grayson Nov 26 '23
I thought the animation had slightly improved this season, but I'm not so sure anymore. One thing that happens all the time is the click-and-drag flying. It happens every episode. If you want to make a character fly, then animate them flying. Don't just drag a still across the screen like a desktop folder. This is a flagship program for the world's largest company. It shouldn't be taking fan edit shortcuts
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u/kingevanhd Nov 26 '23
Did they get new people to animate season 2? Looks like shit and mark looks completely different, tired of people using that lame ass excuse of “what do you expect he’s stressed and his dad beat the shit out of him”
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u/onionlovershrek Dec 10 '23
I guess his dad made his eyes change shape every time the camera switches angles though, huh? I mean it really is distracting to watch the show and I’m trying to read his facial expressions and get into his headspace… and then his eyes just grow on his head when the camera pans slightly downwards.
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u/Grim_100 Nov 26 '23
To be honest, I feel that the animation is overall not very good and I can constantly feel it throughout season 2. I can't seem to put my hand on what exactly is causing this but I have a feeling the animation is much choppier and less detailed, character's movements are stiff and it just feels weird.
The first post is right tho, some scenes such as the black hole scene are done beautifully like wtf? That is wallpaper material
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u/JLifts780 Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
The fights are literally stills going across the screen or a PowerPoint
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u/Goosetoots Nov 27 '23
It’s weird how legend of vox machina is animated better despite having a similar style and less of an audience
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u/abeautifuldayoutside Nov 26 '23
Why do people seem so surprised that a single teaser has better animation than the show itself, that’s standard practice, like how intros tend to have better animation as well
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u/_Levitated_Shield_ Agent Spider Nov 26 '23
Plus it was confirmed like a day or two later that the teaser's animation was not the season's animation, so no clue what those people are on about.
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u/Arkham_Z Nov 26 '23
I don’t even like how the teaser animation looks, what am I missing here
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u/Baba_Booye Nov 27 '23
The animation is mid, there is no denying it. It's not bad but it's nothing to write home about. Y'know you'd expect higher quality animation from a show with Amazon money but at the same time you're not when you see how stacked this show is with it's A-B tier celebrities.
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u/realif3 Nov 26 '23
I don't watch invincible for the animation so it doesn't bother me that much.
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u/Fresh_Cauliflower176 Nov 26 '23
I mean, this is still an animated show, which is a visual medium, so the show actually looking good is pretty important.
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u/JLifts780 Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
I don’t either but it’s still disappointing to see a noticeable drop in animation quality
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u/Edenian_Prince Darkwing II Nov 26 '23
Yeah, the last episode underdelivered. I understand is a small studio, but It seems like sometimes they invest more in some scenes that perhaps don't really need it. For example, Omniman wandering in space looks great, and then the fight looks very underwhelming in comparison. In fact, E3 Allen fight was way better animated than E4 and I would say it tells a more relevant narrative than E3 fight.
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u/Garchompula The Lizard League Nov 27 '23
I do get how people are saying "Oh of course the animation is better! It's a four minute teaser!" but at the same time the teaser literally said along the lines it was taking so long because of that animation. They made sure to not say it but it was very implied that's what the show would look like. I remember a lot of people being excited for that exact reason.
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u/Slowmobius_Time Nov 27 '23
It was absolutely underwhelming (in a word that's the best way to describe it, not bad just really kinda underwhelming)
After the season finale last season (that episode in particular was in animation standards head and shoulders above the rest of the season which it being the finale makes sense they put the most work into it) maybe expectations were too high?
Season 2 episode 4 definitely seems like it was never meant to be a mid season finale, it has little weight and finality to it, until krieg tells mark he's replacing his dad as their Viltrumite representative
I've loved every episode and scene of the show until this one (the Thraxan fight) and I remember the panels from the comic so well, that splash one is one of the most famous invincible panels (even within the comic, they reference specifically that panel again later on) and this wasn't it
Absolutely love Marks fbombs tho, Steven Yeun is even better this season than last time
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u/Hemans123 Nov 27 '23
They should really get someone like a Joaquin Dos Santos for the animation. He’d have a field day with the animation and make it look slick. Invincible needs more Sakuga.
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u/wahoohooy Nov 27 '23
They should put that budget on animator team instead of keep hiring popular celebrity for voice actors lol
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u/Medium-Science9526 Comic Fan Nov 26 '23
I'm in agreement that the overall average quality it's better but like you said not just in animation but general choreography of the scenes too on Thraxa with what content they cut wasn't nearly as impactful as the big moments in s01. Feeling less grandiose and especially with the Tyhraxa episodes on the emissions instead forgoing more subplots on Earth when Debbie was just enough imo.
Considering Kirkman said s02ep08 would now out s04 I assume that episode will have the spectacle but still sad to not really see it here in the mid season finale.
As for concerns from a comic reader about future adaptions of the series. My main concern is how the lack of nuance is getting imo more crept in on in the show. The glaring omission being Omni-Man s01 but from Mark being mainly blamed with Amber, to Debbie's breakdown not having the blame onto Mark, to Mark's reaction to Nolan, to Cecil letting slip he calling the shots for Mark etc. gives me some concern some later moments will be made more black and white/more blatant instead of being more up for discussion.
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u/treetopkingdom The Elephant Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 26 '23
I actually am also concerned about how they’ll adapt certain moments,
Debbie blaming mark would have been interesting, (would lead to a lot of hate for her character though).
Having her try to be so strong for him, only to break down and at her lowest to avoid any blame for herself or the man she’s missing. decide to her blame her child for her woes. And Mark has to take it, he has had both parents blame him for the atrocities that day.
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u/RagingSince09 Spider-Man Nov 26 '23 edited Nov 27 '23
Oh how I wished they kept that part in. Just seeing how far she fallen to actually blame her child for driving out her husband would make Mark and Debbie's relationship 10x more interesting. It would make her eventual climb back up to normalcy be more satisfying too.
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u/hurtlingtooblivion The Mauler Twins Nov 26 '23
Same to be honest.
Obviously I've seen better, I've seen worse. It does a good enough job, I'd never even have given it a second thought if it weren't for Reddit.
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u/TechnicallyNerd Nov 26 '23
The problem is a lack of budget imo. Given the gap between season 1 and season 2, I refuse to believe a shortage of time is the issue, and I doubt story boarding is the problem given the source material. And the studio behind the animation, Maven Image Platform has done great work before in other media (as an example: The Chinatown alley fight in Batman The Long Halloween Part One looks better than 90% of the fights in Invincible). They've also done great work in Invincible as well, but it's inconsistent and almost jarring when the animation goes from mediocre to "wow, that looks awesome" then back to mediocre. The "hammer" scene from season 1 is a great example of this. That explosion effect is spectacular, one of the coolest explosions I've ever seen in an animated series. But it's immediately followed by some of the most laughably bad animation in the series, as we see the sky rain copy-pasted bird.png. This isn't a skill issue on the animators part, this is a "I need this done as cheaply as possible" on Amazon's part. Because Amazon, and western media companies as a whole, have very little respect for adult targeted animation outside of comedies.
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u/crowbar182 Nov 27 '23
While I do think the actual animation quality is average, I do think it’s much better than season 1 and that there’s a lot of ways in which the show compensates for it. I think the actual character designs as well as the general art style are really good (I especially like The way they’ve tweaked Mark’s face), the cinematography in a lot of scenes is really good, and the sound design helps sell a lot of the larger fight scenes. I give the show alot of slack as well for being a 45 minutes per episode, as that’s pretty long for animated tv show. It’s also hard to live up to the comics art, as Ryan Ottley is probably one of the best artists currently working in western comics.
That all said, I don’t want it to come across as though the arguments against Invincibles animation are invalid/poor faith. I think they hold alot of weight for sure, as the animation quality could definitely stand to improve. But I don’t think it’s bad, just average, and something that’s likely more due to the budget they’re allotted rather than the animators.
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u/Cyberxton Nov 27 '23
There’s honestly zero excuse for the dip in animation quality. So much time was taken between this season and the first and there should absolutely be a bigger budget this time around because of the buzz that S1 generated. Alot of the lackluster animation moments from S1 were excusable in that invincible was very much a project that Amazon didn’t know would be successful or not and so was never going to have as much financial backing behind it as it could have, but even with that it managed to deliver on all of the important scenes and moments. For S2 to be a step down is just a slap in the face honestly.
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u/DisabledFatChik Nov 27 '23
I loved the episode but there definitely should’ve been more battle damage and world damage in the outside
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u/JoeAnthony Nov 27 '23
You can notice there are a lack of frames in the animation by the stuttery physics, Y’all really need to watch visuals of a well animated anime and realise that the standards of this show are extremely low animation-wise
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u/SecondRealitySims Nov 27 '23
I love the show, but…yeah. The animation isn’t great for something of Invincible’s size, popularity, and backing. It’s acceptable during much of the talking and regular stuff, but major events like the Thraxa fight deserve far better.
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u/LongjumpMidnight Comic Fan Nov 27 '23
I'm surprised people are saying the quality has dropped. Season 1's animation wasn't really better, not that either season has bothered me.
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u/IDrinkWetWater "Dude, I saw it on Reddit" Nov 27 '23
In my opinion season 2 is really really good so far, and as someone who usually doesn't care that much, the animation is downright ATROCIOUS at times.
The car falling off the bridge in Eve's fight with whatshisface was so noticably horrible it made me pause the episode for a second to acknowledge it. It's so tragic too because it's very obvious it's a budget issue, more specifically of "where do we put the budget" issue, the fight on Thraxa as well as Omni-Man's existential crisis were both animated beautifully, not exactly Studio MAPPA level, but they looked great and were a visual treat
I really don't think this is a fault of the animators, they clearly did their best with what they were given and it's disingenuous to blame the workers for the corner cutting of the studio. Invincible is a great show and I love what it's doing, I'm also really enjoying season 2 so far. I just hope that these discussions so many people are having becomes a wake up call for Amazon, and Invincible gets the respect as an animated show and the budget that it deserves
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u/dhaidkdnd Nov 27 '23
So it’s just gonna be this post and the “why do we have to wait for the other episodes” post for the next month popping up randomly in r/popular? Okay.
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u/solrac137 Nov 27 '23
Sometimes feels good and then is average or even meh, Omniman depression scene, the fight between Invinsible and Omniman fight vs Immortal and the rebels, and invincible vs Lucan feel very good too, but the invincible and Omniman vs Thula and the other guy feel like it could ve been a lot better.
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u/OceanPaladin Nov 27 '23
The fights feel lacking, i’ve been telling my friend i’ve been watching with that the animators really need to watch the DBZ Cell Games
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u/LostOne514 Nov 27 '23
I love the show and I am enjoying season 2 (Never read the comics) but some of the animation is for sure jarringly bad. A bit too often we see a png just being dragged across the screen or very choppy animation that is missing some frames.
Thankfully the voice acting & writing really helps elevate the show. Watching Mark's Mom just go through it this season has been tough on the heart.
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u/Decaps86 Nov 26 '23
It seems like people are forgetting that animation and comic artistry are different. You can fit a tonne of detail in one panel but making it flow in animation is completely different. It's almost impossible to compare. The animation in season 1 isn't that great as people remember. I consider the slight change in art style a lateral move.
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u/ecxetra Battle Beast Nov 26 '23
Some shots are legit just pngs being dragged across the screen tho.