Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination!

[u/mwthecool]

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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[u/MindStatic64]

She was totally fine in season one, take out one bad line and she's a perfectly fine character. Even with the line she's sorta okay, you can kind of handwave it, she's pretty justified in being pissed off for the most part.

[u/[deleted] → u/MindStatic64]

It's been a while since I've watched s1. Can someone remind me of why Amber was so hated? What line are people referring to?

[u/MindStatic64 → u/[deleted]]

She was mad at Mark for "leaving" her and running away when they were attacked as they were touring the college, when in reality Mark just changed into his Invincible costume. Amber later reveals she knew Mark was Invincible the whole time, which makes no sense considering how she reacted. There are more reasons people don't like her (mostly really bad ones) but that's the main reason she gets hate.

[u/Nobody5464 → u/MindStatic64]

That reason is also dumb because literally anyone with intelligence would figure out she wasn’t actually mad about him leaving and was in fact mad he was lying but instead they just assume she’s and idiot.

[u/Mindless_Bad_1591 → u/Nobody5464]

She insisted he was a coward for abandoning his friends when she knew he was a superhero. That isn't about the lying she was being delusional. Just shit writing. I chalk it up to miscommunication between writers and directors between both episodes.

[u/Nobody5464 → u/Mindless_Bad_1591]

Dude are you really this dumb. She was trying to force him to admit it to her. She was yelling at him like that so he’d admit to the truth to try and save his image. The fact he still doesn’t tell her even when she went that far is what convinces her they should break up. 

[u/Mindless_Bad_1591 → u/Nobody5464]

Dude are you really this dumb

Lol, ad hominem much. Also, you know that like 99% of the fanbase is on my side of this topic, so maybe you are the one being delusional. Open with something better next time.

She was yelling at him like that so he’d admit to the truth to try and save his image.

In front of everybody??? To make him look like a loser when she could have done this in private??? He can't just tell every fucking person on campus. He literally says he was going for help. He saved whatever image he had as best he could without revealing his identity to the entire campus.

The fact he still doesn’t tell her even when she went that far is what convinces her they should break up. 

This just makes her a shitty person. If she knew Mark was a superhero, and you just want trust and communication, initiate the confrontation instead of being immature about it. You should know that he is already mentally struggling to juggle the balance of a superhero life and normal life.

Mark was a shitty boyfriend, I am not denying that. But at this point, if she actually did know of his identity, and she wasn't lying because she was just mad, then her reaction makes zero fucking sense. She is basically mentally tormenting the guy for not giving up his superhero identity after a couple months of dating while full-knowing the position the guy is in. Confront him about the matter maturely, don't just blast the guy in front of everyone for being a coward and abandoning her and your friends. That one line just made her character narcissistic and selfish. There was not enough dialogue between the two in season 1 to make her a sympathetic character during their "break up".

[u/Nobody5464 → u/Mindless_Bad_1591]

I’m not saying she was behaving totally healthily but it was a dumb teenage relationship mistake people make all the time. Instead of just telling him she knew she wanted him to tell her to prove he trusted her and when he kept not telling her it made her angrier and angrier

[u/Mindless_Bad_1591 → u/Nobody5464]

Instead of just telling him she knew she wanted him to tell her to prove he trusted her and when he kept not telling her it made her angrier and angrier

I get this. I understand this motivation. However, like I said in my other reply, there just wasn't enough dialogue given to give us a clear perspective of where she was coming from. These deductions are made on assumptions, where they should have fleshed out her feelings more in season 1 to give us more of an understanding. The product we received gives us very contradictory perspectives and feelings of the character, leaving the audience to fill in the gaps when this is one of those times you should not be doing that.

Also your point of it being a dumb high school drama relationship is valid, but that doesn't make it any less frustrating to watch.

[u/Nobody5464 → u/Mindless_Bad_1591]

I mean it literally takes one step of emotional consideration to reach this fact. As long as you stop to think for even 1 second you should come to this conclusion. Having characters always say everything their feeling doesn’t work you have to make it natural. Amber is incredibly pissed in their breakup scene she’s not gonna randomly say “oh by the way I was yelling at you to convince you to tell me the truth” in the middle of their breakup fight. You should be able to figure that out they shouldn’t need to hand hold you through every emotional beat.