r/Invincible • u/mwthecool Omni-Mod • Nov 17 '23

Invincible [Episode Discussion] - S02E03 - This Missive, This Machination! EPISODE DISCUSSION

Episode 3 - This Missive, This Machination!

Mark starts his college career, Debbie struggles with personal trauma, and Allen the Alien returns home to find a new threat facing the Coalition of Planets.

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u/8dev8 Cecil Stedman Nov 17 '23

On the one hand I get Cecil’s issue

On the otherhand.

Mark ignoring orders to save lives really should reassure you.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '23

Honestly, Cecil really bothered me in this episode. I know he's been manipulating Mark all season (and even before), but telling Mark that he's like his father for choosing to go save billions of lives is especially scummy.

Cecil is really smart, but constantly gaslighting a teenager is not a good idea to turn them into a well-adjusted adult. I think at some point Mark is going to realize that Cecil only cares about control.

That's why Cecil's such a great character. He's somewhere between good and evil.

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u/LMkingly Nov 17 '23

To be honest i don't think Cecile was wrong to distrust and not want mark to leave the galaxy on a drop of a hat because a random alien that came out of nowhere who somehow heard about him and specifically came to seek him out asked for help. And we see it ended up being bullshit anyway. Cecile is wrong to keep rubbing omni-man in mark's face anytime they have a disagreement but he wasn't wrong about this.

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u/Wolf6120 Cecil Stedman Nov 20 '23

I feel like Mark and Cecil are, ironically, both grappling with their guilt over what happened with Omni-Man by over-compensating.

Mark feels guilty about all the people that died as collateral damage in the fight, so he's desperately throwing himself at every opportunity to save lives, to the point of getting a little too eager/reckless and falling into a trap. Cecil on the other hand feels guilty that he didn't catch on to Nolan's lies sooner, and so now he's being overly paranoid and cautious about everything and everyone, and unfairly trying to strong-arm Mark into being just a weapon that Cecil can point and shoot without question, because he doesn't want to make the mistake of trusting the wrong person again.