r/GenZ 6d ago

Do you think Andrew Yang would have done better in the fumbled first presidential debate this year, if they had swapped Andrew Yang in to replace Biden? Political

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u/0WatcherintheWater0 2002 6d ago

How does wealth have anything to do with this? What are you even talking about.

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u/Deathpill911 6d ago

Exactly, you don't have a clue as to what I'm talking about. You're looking left and right but not up and down. These elderly folks are millionaires. They're in a completely level in the hierarchy, one you and your family and everyone you know, will never be part of. That is why they're your only option.

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u/0WatcherintheWater0 2002 6d ago

It’s funny you think that. Most elderly people with any kind of high paying job (such as US Senator, or being a successful author) are multi-millionaires

If anything you were saying were true, why didn’t Bloomberg, someone infinitely more wealthy than Biden, win the 2020 primary?

You are the one that’s clueless here. Wealth has absolutely nothing to do with anything here.

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u/Future_Genius 6d ago

Sorry that deathpill is a child in explaining this, but they’re right that capitalism is at fault. Not necessarily that the candidates themselves are rich, but that corporations reinforce the status quo via political lobbying for reactionary politicians (in this case, both Trump and Biden).

The Democratic and Republican parties are different on social policies but not on how the economy should be organized. Both are neoliberal, in that it relies on capitalism (private ownership of the means of production, i.e. factories, businesses, and public services) as its framework. They’re simply different flavors of the same things.

Let me know if that makes sense or if you want me to explain it differently.

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u/0WatcherintheWater0 2002 3d ago

The Democratic and Republican parties are different in social policies but not on how the economy should be organized. Both are neoliberal

This is totally wrong and a vast oversimplification. If you paid attention to the policies they both support, neither can accurately be described as “neoliberal”,

The Republican party for example is actually extremely illiberal, in it’s support for a candidate that wants to suppress freedom of speech, minority rights, heavily restrict foreign trade through harsh tariff policy, among other things.

That is wildly different from the Democratic party that wants, among other things, higher taxes, more corporate regulation, assistance for student debt, etc. they still mostly adhere to liberalism fundamentally (private property rights), but even if many of those policies are more populist.

Your analysis totally lacks any nuance, nuance which is extremely important. Calling all politicians “reactionary” is not insightful.

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u/Future_Genius 3d ago edited 3d ago

1) neoliberalism is an economic philosophy relating to the reemergence of free-market capitalism, not a political or social one on human rights and freedoms.

2) not all politicians are reactionary, but currently the ones leading are. I’m not lacking nuance, you’re just lacking knowledge.

Like I said, on the organization of the economy, both Democrats and Republicans are on the same page. Both don’t want workplace democracy and want privatization of government functions.

The only reason why the Democrats don’t drift into full on illiberalism (social and political freedoms) is because they’re more of an umbrella party now than ever and have to attract both centrists and leftists to its cause. That worked in 2020 when they made their promises, it won’t in 2024 because they broke those promises.