r/worldnews • u/Advanced_Drink_8536 • May 25 '24

Russia Bombs Ukraine Superstore With Hundreds Inside Russia/Ukraine

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-bombs-ukraine-superstore-with-hundreds-inside-in-kharkiv
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u/Nanaki_TV May 26 '24

They all believe Zekensky is a nazi jew pedo because that's the alt POV. That it's pure Kremlin propaganda is irrelevant.

I agreed with you up until this point being part of said circles. There is no longer a good option and the fighting has to stop. That's what most of us think. Personally, I don't know enough to have an opinion. Our 'top men' in government seem to think supporting Israel and Ukraine are really really important. So there's gotta be something I'm not read in on that makes it be like that.

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u/redrabbit1977 May 26 '24

Israel is the only reliable ally the US has in the ME. They also have a very powerful lobby in the US.

Ukraine is strategically important. If Russia rolled over Ukraine, they'd set their eyes on the Baltics states, Poland etc. They want to expand their "sphere of influence" towards the old boundaries of the USSR. That's in no-ones best interests except the Moscow elite.

You allow them this expansion, you simply make the security threat worse, and make the problem even bigger. Appeasement is never a good option.

The Soviets spent many years as proxie against the US in Korea, in Vietnam, in Afghanistan. The US spent not just money, but lives in these wars. Then there was the cold war. Ukraine is simply another front in what has been a 70-year conflict, but this time the ROI for the west doesn't involve blood, it involves money only.

We're definately approaching a point where a ceasefire settlement could be a good option. But only because Russia has been given a bloody nose. To allow the Kremlin a free pass to annex neighbouring countries would have been an absolute disaster for global security.

Remember also that China is watching and preparing their own expansion. Appeasement (and Russian success) would embolden them massively. Again, degrading global security at scale.

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u/Nanaki_TV May 26 '24

I thought about the UAE and SA but then I saw you said reliable and then yea I suppose. But what do you say about those that bring up the boat they sunk of ours? I don't have stock in this. Again, I trust our experts in the field more than randoms online telling me Israel bad.

I think there's a lot more going on regarding Ukraine than what we are told but I also think Putin's expansion is out of line. Once again I have to defer to the people in charge and hope they are actually doing their jobs. What else can I do as a layman? Even IF I could come to the "right" conclusion it is not like my support of nonsupport would change any outcome.

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u/DaggerQ_Wave 25d ago

Definitely a bizarre incident, but it was a long time ago in a completely different political climate and no one can agree whether it was intentional or not. There’s evidence going both ways. even at the time, and given the circumstances (the heat and confusion of a large battle) though, it was wildly uncharacteristic.