Keir Starmer says he doesn’t want schools teaching young people about transgender identities

[u/PinkNews]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/06/25/keir-starmer-trans-education-general-election-2024/

[u/potpan0]

Gender non-conforming people don't behave solely within the bounds of typical gender roles, but this says nothing about the gender binary.

The existence of gender non-conforming people says a hell of a lot about the 'gender binary', I don't get what you mean. Traditionalists insist that, before the 1900s, everyone was either 'man' or 'woman' and that this was determined entirely by biology. But a knowledge of history demonstrates that across the world there have been plenty of people, often very much accepted by their broader social systems, who challenged that, either by sitting on a position which was not 'man' or 'woman' or transitioning between them.

but I still think any counter culture that opposes it shouldn't obfuscate what gender is.

How do you think gender is being 'obfuscated'?

[u/j0kerclash → u/potpan0]

It's being obfuscated by dismissing gender identity and the factors that determine it for an individual as biologically innate like sexuality rather than a system of belief influenced by cultural norms.

Like you mentioned, other societal norms include additional genders, but it's not like the two systems are made up of dramatically distinct groups in regards to biology, both are human groups, it's a different way of labelling gender with different cultural norms being the main factor.

[u/potpan0 → u/j0kerclash]

It's being obfuscated by dismissing gender identity and the factors that determine it for an individual as biologically innate like sexuality rather than a system of belief influenced by cultural norms.

Sorry, I'm struggling to parse this sentence. It seems to me that you're suggesting:

1) Gender is biologically determined

2) Sexuality is biologically determined

Both of which are, quite frankly, nonsense. The mere existence of gay people pretty clearly demonstrates the second point is nonsense, and the long-term historical examples of gender non-conforming people demonstrates the first point is nonsense too.

[u/j0kerclash → u/potpan0]

I'm saying gender is not biologically determined and that sexuality is influenced heavily by biology.

The existence of gay people doesn't contradict that point, I'm just pointing to a biological component relating to the triggers of sexuality for any person, gay, or straight.