Keir Starmer says he doesn’t want schools teaching young people about transgender identities

[u/PinkNews]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/06/25/keir-starmer-trans-education-general-election-2024/

[u/CitrusRabborts]

But it's the same when considering if you're gay or not. Some people experiment and decide it's not for them. We shouldn't be bothered if teenagers socially transition and then decide it's not for them

[u/ItsFuckingScience → u/CitrusRabborts]

Socially transitioning is not equivalent to kissing a boy and deciding it’s not actually for you

Getting yourself, your peers, teachers to address and support you as a new person and identity, persevering against potential pushback from parents, family or anyone suggesting it could “be a phase” etc is not easily psychologically reversible

[u/Broccoli--Enthusiast → u/ItsFuckingScience]

But who cares if people want to socially transition ? Why is it a big deal? They aren't becoming a new person, they are using a name they are more comfortable with, maybe wearing different clothes. They are still the same person. Just being more public about how they feel.

I work with a trans person, one day Stacey became Hunter, she became he

It did not affect me one but, other than a few slips everyone had it down within a few weeks.

It literally doesn't harm or affect you in the slightest. Just let people be happy for fuck sake.

[u/DontUseThisUsername → u/Broccoli--Enthusiast]

I agree people living how they want isn't an issue. There are real people that want to be dogs, chairs and cars. It's all equally fine if they want to address themselves as such, and I'm sure they can find supportive people to live like that, but that fringe topic shouldn't be addressed in school (outside of a psychology class) as something kids should consider.

What should be taught is to be respectful. Not being forced to see a person as a dog, but not bullying or harassing because of difference or mental illness.

[u/Amekyras → u/DontUseThisUsername]

Who? Who wants to be a dog, a chair, or a car, and is doing so insistently, persistently, and consistently (the standards we apply to gender dysphoria)?

[u/DontUseThisUsername → u/Amekyras]

Does it matter who? It's acceptable and comparable for the same reasons. Wanting to be a dog for a day or wanting to be a dog for life doesn't change that you're not a dog. It's just diagnosed as a more serious mental condition if they permanently see themselves that way.

[u/Amekyras → u/DontUseThisUsername]

You can understand how this is completely different, right?

[u/DontUseThisUsername → u/Amekyras]

It would be a bit different if trans just meant people wanted to be treated and conform to the societal standards of the opposite sex. Wear a dress, act girly etc. Those are social inventions. That's not the case though. Gender and sex are conflated. Man and Male are conflated. Sex on ID's can be changed, not just gender. People get implants and sexual organs changed. People are always pointing out biological blurred lines. Links to male or female brains being trapped in the opposite gendered body etc.

This isn't just an attempt to redefine the link between the terms "Man"/"Woman" and Sex (Male/Female). It's trying to redefine someone's sex as they choose, even if it's under the guise of social constructs. Hence why changing biological species is perfectly similar.

On a side note "redefining someone's sex as they choose" is actually perfectly fine and I can see a future where this is possible. It's just not possible now.

[u/Amekyras → u/DontUseThisUsername]

I mean, it all depends on how you define things like sex. One of the theories I find convincing is the idea that our brains have a neural map of our bodies (this is why phantom limb syndrome occurs for example), and that for trans people the neural map is simply just not quite right.