r/politics • u/bustersnuggs5011 Pueblo • 4d ago

Biden’s Family Tells Him to Keep Fighting as They Huddle at Camp David Soft Paywall

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/30/us/politics/biden-debate-anxious-democrats.html
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u/barowsr 4d ago

Ding ding ding.

90% of the electorate is already set. About half are voting for Trump, period. Half are voting against Trump, period. It doesn’t matter if it’s Biden, Whitimer, Harris, Mickey fucking Mouse.

It’s that 10% that’s trying to decide who they will vote for, or if they’ll stay home. And news flash, we need 6-7% of those 10% to vote Dem. The question is will that 6-7% be more motivated to choose Biden, or Whitmer? Or Newsome? Or any other of the other 5-6 big name Dems?

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u/saypsychpod 4d ago

I agree except for Harris who polls extremely poorly

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u/mrpeabody208 Texas 4d ago

And I'm not sure Mickey Mouse is a Democrat.

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u/MechanicalTurkish Minnesota 4d ago

If you are a Scottish lord then I am Mickey Mouse!!

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u/Spiff76 3d ago

“How Dare He!” dramatic pause, fourth wall break, punch sound effect

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u/TheCwazyWabbit 4d ago

I watched him on South Park, he's gotta be a fascist.

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u/barowsr 4d ago

Even she was within same % gap as Trump in last data for progress poll. But nonetheless, of the eight-ish possible alternatives, she’s probably the weakest

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u/SkyriderRJM 4d ago

It is very possible Harris polls a lot better with Biden as her alternative.

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u/hintofinsanity 3d ago

She currently polls better than Biden

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u/NeonArlecchino California 3d ago

I am not a fan of hers, but I think she could do it if she paired with a progressive VP. Jamaal Bowman is looking for a job and selecting him would send a message about standing for progress and against foreign election interference.

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u/GoBackToLurk1ng 3d ago

Get rid of Kamala and get the successor in as VP. Obama what you up to these days?

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u/Whostartedit 4d ago

I am independent but thinking of registering dem so i can join this phone bank where you call democrats in battleground states

https://democrats.org/call/

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u/barowsr 4d ago

I really like to hear this

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u/Deaner3D 4d ago

This reality always makes me admit I truly don't understand independents. Or, rather, I don't understand the mindset voting R then D then R again. I'm like "pick your fucking issues then pick that candidate, geeze!"

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u/rivsnation 4d ago

Locally I get not being tied to a party, but after Trump I don’t understand an independent who hasn’t made up their mind already. Unless they’re using the title to stop people from ostracizing them about their politics.

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u/Popular_Table8654 2d ago

I’ll put the corruption, ethical, hypocritical issues that exist in both parties aside. On the issues, for me it’s because both parties stances/talking points on issues is extremely narrow and usually intellectually dishonest if not outright dishonest.
For example, on immigration: there are like 8 different kinds of immigration(lottery, political asylum, work, illegals at the border, etc). Yet, the debate from both parties basically centers on the southern border is definitely not nuanced. Per the DNC, if you object to an open border you are a privileged racist asshole. Per Trump, not even German Au pairs are gonna be allowed in.

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u/Deaner3D 2d ago

Some issues are invented by one side as a wedge. I think the border security qualifies as that. Granted, it's a concern, but the hyperventilating about it on the right is what's driven the narrative. You can tell it's a wedge issue because when they had an offer from Dems to work on it they collapsed bipartisan legislation because it was seen as helping them more politically if left unfixed.

Examining other classical issues though there are stark differences.

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u/Popular_Table8654 2d ago

Biden completely ignored the border for three years. And it’s not like the Republicans were quiet about the issue. They made an issue about pretty much on day 1. I don’t like the Republicans failing to do their job this year but it kinda offends me when the DNC tries to take the high ground now, and say “see, we tried”. They didn’t do shit until they realized normal people might actually hold it against Biden in the election.

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u/hous26 4d ago

Its about turnout. Dang near everyone has a preference one way or the other on the next president, but Biden's debate performance will cost him turnout because it created a lot of doubts. He can't afford to lose votes in swing states and hes not going to get some folks out to the polling stations or their mailboxes that he otherwise would have gotten.

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u/sir_mrej Washington 4d ago

They'll be more motivated to vote Biden than anyone else on that list

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u/EnvironmentUseful229 4d ago

Other than Biden, as the Democratic minority leader, Hakeem Jeffries is closest to being the standard bearer of the Democratic party. I think the country would be well served if Biden nominated Jeffries to take his place.

While we're at it, I'd love to see Katie Porter as the VP.