r/politics • u/chatoka1 • 4d ago

Undecided Voters Say They Now Support Joe Biden After Debate

https://www.newsweek.com/latino-voters-donald-trump-joe-biden-debate-election-1918795
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u/Mataelio 4d ago

It gave me a level of anxiety I have not experienced for several years

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u/SilverSister22 4d ago

I couldn’t watch it because it gave me so much anxiety (and I HATE his voice). And it’s not really anxiety for me, I’m past childbearing years.

It’s for my daughters, my granddaughters, my nieces, etc. I’m scared for all of y’all.

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u/Choice-Tiger3047 4d ago

It’s not just those females who may become pregnant in the future who have a LOT to fear from another trump term. He will go full-on autocratic, finish destroying the environment, the economy and our social safety nets and institute Project 2025. Every thinking American should be scared.

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u/Askol 4d ago

Well, interesting enough, the horrible Chevron decision made today will make it so Trump has far less unchecked power - the conservative courts will ultimately be likely to rule in his favor, but those interested in retaining democracy might be able to delay the worst of his goals 4 years. Not saying I want to find out, and the decision is a very bad one in the long run, but it could be temporarily beneficial should trump end up winning (vomit).

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u/120ouncesofpudding 3d ago

Female what?

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u/james_strange 3d ago

Female broads

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u/kkwinwin 3d ago

This all sound insane yet I completely agree with you…but do tell more on Project 2025. It’s the first I’m hearing about this…

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u/Redrockwolf1969 3d ago

Research Project 2025. It’s terrifying stuff.

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u/Altruistic_Box4462 3d ago

Trumps already had a term. You'll be okay buddy.

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u/120ouncesofpudding 3d ago

No, we won't.

Even Europe knows what's in store for the rest of the world if he gets another term.

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u/Altruistic_Box4462 3d ago

Just like 2016 right? Everyone all left to canada and never came back to the USA, and the whole country collapsed. xD

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u/WhipMeHarder 3d ago

Look where we are at today. Look where we were at 4 years ago. Look at where we were at 8 years ago.

Tell me there’s no degradation of where we’re at. Jfc. Stop playing this stupid “gotcha” game and focus on actual improvements to society

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u/Altruistic_Box4462 2d ago

I'm just tired of people acting like the entire county will fall apart of trump wins. It happened in 2016, and everything was fine. It's pointless fear mongering.

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u/WhipMeHarder 2d ago

And at that point in time there wasn’t conflict in Ukraine and the waters surrounding China.

Different times are important.

And as for funding I 100% think chip and renewable infrastructure is more important than fossil fuel infrastructure.

Remember we’re currently fighting a proxy war right now. In the midst of large technology changes.

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u/FairPudding40 4d ago

As a woman who also can't get pregnant, it impacts us too -- our doctors will stop practicing medicine, which means we won't be able to get cancer tests/treatments, etc, etc.

Like, yes, abortion is healthcare and women of childbearing age are in the most immediate danger and it's important to vote to keep them safe (thank you!). And if you have women in your life who think it doesn't matter to them (and thus won't vote) because they aren't able to get pregnant, make sure to remind them that it impacts absolutely everyone (because no one has a right to medical privacy anymore) and it impacts everyone who has/had a uterus (because welp, those parts can all get cancer and you can get endometrial cancer even after having a uterus removed).

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u/ReverendDizzle 4d ago

To add to what you're saying, it'll be more than just the pool of doctors drying up.

There is a lot of medical research related to fertility/hormone treatments/etc. that will be on the block and researchers and companies alike will shy away from touching.

Four years of the GOP burning the place down plus whatever comes after that as they cement power, is going to be an absolute travesty for women of all ages.

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u/Standard-Analyst4935 3d ago

This even affects the healthcare of women who are beyond childbearing age. Suppose I, a postmenopausal woman of 54, gets RA (rheumatoid arthritis)? One of the most.efficacious drugs to.treat is methotrexate, which is an abortifacient. Already, women.of childbearing age are being denied this lifesaving.drug because of the effect it could have on the hypothetical fetus. But I could easily see that they.would extend it upwards so that NO WOMAN would ever have access to the drug and every woman would have to face the painful and crippling effects of RA unmitigated. As it is, even in a blue state, I can't go into an ER without being given a pregnancy test I'm not allowed to opt out of despite the fact that my last period was in 2014. I've been postmenopausal for ten years and I could easily see that were a nationwide abortion ban to take place, I could be denied lifesaving treatment for any number of conditions (RA, cancer, etc.) because of the fact that at.some point in time, I was capable of getting pregnant even though those days are decades in the past. What will happen is that ALL women will be denied essential healthcare.

This isn't even about saving babies anymore; they just want to see women die.

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u/IniMiney 3d ago

Exactly, it’s no coincidence that the abortion bans preceded banning transgender care. They won’t stop until they have full control over everyone’s health/bodies.

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u/weirdsideofreddit1 3d ago

Okay that’s utter horse shit.

We have laws in place for medical privacy. It’s called HIPPA.

They really got yall scared of a nonexistent boogey man and it’s just getting worse and worse because yall saw Biden completely bomb on the debate and Trump is likely to win.

Come back to reality.

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u/suckarepellent 3d ago

Nah it's for real. They're down like 20% OBGYNs in Idaho since the abortion ban. Would you want to face the choice of 2 to 5 for doing your job or letting someone die in your care?

Source:AP News

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u/weirdsideofreddit1 3d ago

While that’s unfortunate that does not mean everybody has lost medical privacy rights.

When Roe v Wade was overturned it didn’t end medical privacy.

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u/suckarepellent 3d ago

There's proposals to explicitly have states track pregnant women and monitor their status.So while HIPAA exists for now, I wouldn't act like it's untouchable

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u/weirdsideofreddit1 3d ago

Healthcare facilities and the government have always been able to do this. Even under Roe v Wade. This isn’t new and it doesn’t violate HIPPA.

The good thing is citizens can vote for more protections. It doesn’t have to be up to the federal government, nor should it.

As a matter of fact, for the most part the states have control over their own health departments. If you see something you don’t like, then vote. Or move to a state that you’d rather live in.

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u/BasicStocke 3d ago

Have you not seen what is going on in the red states? They have been using period tracker app data to try and claim people got abortions. That is HIPPA information and the government doesn't give a shit

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u/weirdsideofreddit1 3d ago

I was not aware of this.

Are apps beholden to HIPPA? I’m guessing probably not since it’s related to health insurance.

If that’s really happening then there needs to be a bipartisan effort to expand HIPPA protections to those types of apps and protect any health information. Or at the least make new legislation to hold those types of apps accountable.

That’s something that could be passed at the state level then make its way to the federal level.

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u/AdOutside8726 3d ago

I have seen doctors, nurses and staff repeatedly violate HIPPA laws. I can sit in any doctor's office waiting or examining room and hear HIPPA being violated constantly. You're the one who needs a reality check. And Trump lied his ass off while CNN allowed it. And I don't know what boogeyman you're referring to?

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u/weirdsideofreddit1 3d ago edited 3d ago

There’s huge difference between medical staff being incompetent vs no longer have rights to medical privacy.

The person I replied to clearly conflated the overturning of Roe v Wade equating to a loss of medical privacy rights, which is just ridiculous and not at all the case.

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u/MoreRopePlease America 4d ago edited 4d ago

Abortion isn't just a woman's issue. Men, especially decent men (i.e. men who don't abandon someone just because they got pregnant), suffer from unwanted pregnancies. Everyone should be concerned about this stuff.

I'm not saying "what about the menz", I'm saying this should be treated as a mainstream issue. Abortion rights are human rights. Abortion restrictions impacts us all.

I worry about both my kids (in their 20s). One is considering sterilization over this issue (I advised her not to panic, and reminded her about IUDs, etc. But I would absolutely support her choice if she wanted surgery.)

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u/CaptainReynoldshere1 4d ago

Husbands and boyfriends are also affected when something goes wrong in a pregnancy. Imagine having to consider the loss of your wife/girlfriend because she NEEDS an abortion but can’t easily get one. They either have to go to a different state (in some cases) or (like in Texas) wait until she’s on the brink of death before a doctor is allowed to act.

People who claim to be pro-life don’t think about parents who WANTED a baby and then sit on the floor crying with each other because something went wrong. These people had nurseries decorated, names picked out, and in their minds imagined a whole new life. Hopes and dreams are shattered.

Abortion IS healthcare and it is necessary to have access to all.

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u/sccribble 3d ago

After Trump is elected it will probably become illegal for white women to get sterilized. For Republicans white women are only valued as breeders.

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u/Askol 4d ago

And for just continuing to be able to elect our governmentv via a fair and democratic process.

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u/anythingicando12 4d ago

Rfk voice is horrid too

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u/izovice 4d ago

I didn't watch nor have I seen any clips yet.  All it does is piss me off.  I've already decided who I'm voting for so I took a nice walk instead.

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u/jakie41 3d ago

I am hoping that the young people turn out in droves and vote for their own best interests, which is not the Trump regime. I am 83 and don't have that far to go in this life, so if he is elected, it won't affect me that much. But I, too, fear for my granddaughters and even my grandsons, but not so much for them, as for the granddaughters. But if they don't turn out and vote for their future safety, then it will be on their own heads if the house of Democracy falls. I will watch with great interest the coming months to see if the young people really care about their future.

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u/sportsroc15 3d ago

That’s why I didn’t watch it. I knew it would only make me mad. Reading some comments on here is enough

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u/FreeIndeed87 3d ago

What are you scared for exactly? Serious question.

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u/Yum_MrStallone 3d ago

Me too. DJT is a menace to the entire world. The future for our children and g'children.

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

It’s for my daughters, my granddaughters, my nieces, etc. I’m scared for all of y’all.

oh please, the absolute insane melodrama is ridicolous

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u/cutelittlequokka 3d ago

How is it either insane or melodramatic to think about the relatives directly impacted by laws?

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

its melodramatic when you live in the richest most privleiged damn country in the world but act like 'youre terrified'

the rest of us are just rolling our eyes at this

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u/cutelittlequokka 3d ago

Seeing your family losing rights over their own bodies is terrifying, and has zero to do with money.

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

what about the mans right not to have to pay child support if he doesnt want the child born?

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

it doesnt matter to me, if you cant get it in one state you can easily go and get it in another

you live in the most privleiged country in the damn world and yall act like youre oppressed while basically everyone else in the world deals with 10x worse outcomes.

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u/cutelittlequokka 3d ago

Ha! Yeah. Now oppression isn't oppression because it's happening in a place that previously didn't have it. What a load of gaslighting bullshit.

News flash: Oppression begins with limitations that turn into bigger limitations while people like you tell us it isn't happening because everything is fine, because it isn't as bad as it could possibly be yet.

It's pretty damn bad for the people who aren't able to leave their states.

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

you seem to know a lot about that

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u/Valuable_Bluebird_31 4d ago

You should not have had children.

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u/KellyJoyRuntBunny Washington 3d ago

What?

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u/chekovsgun- 4d ago

2016 PTSD

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u/fuzz_boy 4d ago

I woke up the day after the election and checked the results, I swore that I was having a nightmare. And I'm Canadian.

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u/mtheory007 4d ago

I flew to Denver on that 2016 election day. Hilary was winning pretty comfortably when we took off. Trump was in the lead when we landed. I am still not totally convinced that our plane didnt fly through some kind of wormhole into this hellscape reality.

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u/LunaticLucio 4d ago

"Now arriving in Hell."

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u/mtheory007 4d ago

Good point. Maybe the plane crashed and I am in some kind of Lost pergatory thing or something.

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u/AskingSatan 4d ago edited 3d ago

"We have to go back!"

Coincidentally I’m in the middle of a rewatch of Lost. I’m in season six. Still such a fantastic series.

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u/_imanalligator_ 3d ago

Me too! I'm trying to take it slow so I'm only in season 3, but it's really hitting me this time around how much clearly WAS planned in advance. All the "they're just making it up as they go!" complaints were pretty unfair. People really don't give it enough credit for how good it was.

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u/AskingSatan 3d ago

No one ever talks about the show these days and its legacy is still largely present in these arc-based shows. It'd be interesting to see how different it would be if it were done today. It's, like, RIGHT before the streaming boom.

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u/Silver-Pomelo-9324 3d ago

I love Lost, and have watched it 3 or 4 times, but the ending is nearly as unsatisfactory as the ending of Game of Thrones. It left way too many plotlines unfinished.

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u/Count_Nocturne 4d ago

What if hell does exist and we just happen to be living in it right now?

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

That is easily the top candidate for what is happening. Did we all miss the rapture or something?

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u/Ladylinn5 4d ago

My theory is that we were launched into a different timeline when Bowie died.

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u/_imanalligator_ 3d ago

Yep, that was the beginning of our long slide into hell 😞

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u/doomgrin I voted 3d ago

Can you figure out what you need to do to escape purgatory bc we’re stuck here too

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

I mean, I am working on it, but progess is slow at best. I will never stop trying to save us all, but I must admit, I am super lazy, so it may take a while.

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u/MelpomeneAndCalliope Louisiana 4d ago

Maybe the real world ended in 2012 and the Maya were right. Whatever we’re stuck in now is some kind of malfunctioning simulation or something.

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

This is the most solid theory.

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u/TheSavouryRain 4d ago

You gotta run the reverse route exactly the same if we have any hope of restoring the timeline.

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

Need to get a plane that can fly backwarads.

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u/rraak Virginia 4d ago

It's possible. The world's really gone to shit in this timeline.

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u/ShadowAMS 3d ago

Maybe the Biblical Rapture happened and this is all of us living in hell.

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

I dont think its supposed to be hell, but wack ass whatever is left over.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Hillary. lol. Oh god did we dodge a bullet.

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

Look, I DO NOT like her, but Trump is a fucking facist. He has been a crimial piece of shit his whole life. I remember him since back in the 80's. Hilary sucks, but her goal has never been to be a dictator.

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

thank god Hillary didnt win

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u/mtheory007 3d ago

How could she possibly have been worse than Donald Trump's response to covid? Look I don't like her at all but he is an absolute psychopath and a rapist who does not care about anyone in the world except for himself and will bring the ruin on all of us if it has anything to do with saving his own ass.

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u/ClutchReverie 4d ago

It was a real moment of reckoning especially for people who were not fond of Hillary and decided to sit this one out because "my vote doesn't matter" or "Trump won't win anyway" or "I dislike Hillary and I'm not going to vote for her just to show the Dems I objected to their choice" (despite the foreseeable consequences there in a democracy)

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u/Ditch1969 4d ago

Im Canadian too. I had the same dream

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u/brickne3 Wisconsin 4d ago

I was in Prague. I stayed up all night to watch the returns, called my dad, and then went and had a soul-cleansing beer spa because it seemed like the only sane thing to do.

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u/fuzz_boy 4d ago

Nice, I am upset I missed the beer bath when I was there, but it just gives me a really good reason to return.

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u/Proper_Career_6771 3d ago

I didn't even feel like drinking. As the night went on, I got sober and depressed at the same time, and just went to bed sad.

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u/ValoisSign 4d ago

I was in Berlin and woke up in the middle of the night. "Oh it's election night in the US, let's see if the results are in" Saw Trump doing his speech Fell back asleep. Would have been VERY hard to figure out if I dreamt it that morning were it not for the internet.

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u/gokhaninler 3d ago

Nightmare? It was an amazing day

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u/octopusboots 4d ago

I threw up. I never stress-puke, but my body didn't know what else to do.

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u/chekovsgun- 3d ago

I've had anxiety all day and rarely get it and I didn't sleep well last night. I can't believe everyone turned on Biden that quickly, after ONE bad debate, and would be Okay with Trump being elected. It is depressing what this country has become since the rise of Trump.

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u/Rizzpooch I voted 3d ago

and 2017, and 2018, 2019, 2020

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u/ShadowAMS 3d ago

I watched the results in real time and my heart sank. It was almost the level of a bad breakup. I was truly devastated. I had classes in college on political theory and political science... I was majoring in journalism going for a minor in political science. Life happened and I had to drop out and never had the chance to start back. Point is, I was so afraid for the country after that election. My fear has not subsided since then.

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u/chekovsgun- 3d ago

At least with a bad break, I can grieve that in a few months or so, move on and block them out of my house and space. We were stuck 4 gd years with a psycho we couldn't break up with who steels your stuff and sells it to pay off his bad debt.

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u/vrmneto 3d ago

Great.

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u/JimTheSaint 4d ago edited 3d ago

He has literally given the whole world anxiety. It probably can be measured. Because his whole strategy is to sow chaos - and he does it well 

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u/ILikeToPoop42069 4d ago

And lower taxes for billionaires. Those poor billionaires.

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u/SaulsAll 4d ago edited 4d ago

It probably can be measured.

It very much can, and he was bragging about the meaurement. That whole "I got other NATO countries to pay" bit? They started throwing money into defense because the nation that really wanted to be world police suddenly went insane and said they wouldnt protect anyone anymore and wanted to be the suck-ass of Putin.

It's like bragging I got my kid to start driving because I took my hands off the wheel on the highway and they had to lunge for it to stop us dying.

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u/Various_Geologist_99 3d ago

whole and I think the world is more fearful of having a weak President like Biden for another 4 years. We'll probably end up with war in China and a larger war in the Middle East.

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u/JimTheSaint 3d ago

Actually I meant his "asshole strategy" /s No the world 100% see Trump as the weaker president. It is obvious that Putin has something on him - he has not said bad word about Russia ever - no matter how much Russia fucks with everyone. Trump just keep bowing down to him.  Also keeping the peace in the world is not just the job of the US - it needs all of NATO but Trump does not want to play with everyone else - so it Trump gets elected - China will 100% try something maybe not with Taiwan but one of their other neighbors - becaue they know Trump don't care and they know he makes NATO splintered. 

And if he gives anything to Russia in Ukraine which everyone knows he wants to do - Russia will see that as a major victory and in 3 years they will find another reason to attack a neighbor because that is the thinking of autocratic leaders. 

The world sees biden as the strong one because he wants to fight to protect democracy - Trump only wants to fight to protect what he cares about in any given moment - and that is not a lot. 

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u/PerformanceHot9497 4d ago

I thought I was the only one!

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u/Barnyard723 4d ago

Yo, Same! I was straight up worried my dad was watching and giving himself an actual heart attack.

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u/Quinniper 4d ago

Same. Was shaking. I can’t handle another 4 years of Trump

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u/OldButHappy 4d ago

Right? Closest to a panic attack that I've been in 30 years.

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u/gaarai Oklahoma 4d ago

More than four years of daily coverage of his ramblings as media pundits did everything they could to spin his word salad into some kind of cogent, meaningful, sane statement. Day after day after day. It was exhausting.

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u/OftenConfused1001 4d ago

I'm trans in Texas. My boomer in laws (who absolutely aren't voting for Trump, or any Republican at this point) wanted to watch the debate.

I'm on the far end of the room trying to not hear it and I ended up having to just go outside. It was so distressing my 25 year old kid noticed and came out to check on me.

I cannot handle that fucker.

I'm only in this shit hole state for family and because moving would absolutely wreck us. But if he wins I won't have a chance.

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u/CortOfEld 4d ago

I had to turn it off I was getting so infuriated and my anxiety was going nuts because of him.

Vote blue

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u/sampala 4d ago

Funny enough, Biden being trash last night is igniting the democrats to go show up to vote

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u/MaleficentOstrich693 4d ago

I’m so exhausted today it feels like I had a panic attack yesterday.

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u/elZaphod 4d ago

I made it 45 minutes in, took a Xanax and curled up in bed.

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u/boundbylife Indiana 4d ago

Its PTSD.

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u/Quintessince 4d ago

I thought the first debate in 2020 was gonna go closer to this to be honest. NGL I smoked up for it expecting an anxiety attack (started getting them in 2020 as it turned out weed stops an attacking dead in its tracks).

I was pleasantly surprised then. As bad as that was Biden actually projected he wasn't a feeble old man. This time around all my fears came true. I'd probably be freaking the hell out if I wasn't so damn exhausted from constant years long existential dread. And shit keeps getting worse...

No more covid but now we got Russia, Iran, China and North Korea saber rattling nuclear retaliation for... whatever they feel like that month. Somehow shit feels worse than 2020. And I don't know if the "Stand down and stand by" last go or the Jan 6th dance this round disturbed me more.

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u/justaproxy 4d ago

It was definitely a specific level of anxiety I hadn’t felt since the Trump years. I paused the tv about halfway through the debate to eat dinner, and realized the awful feeling subsided. Shut it off and spent the next hour eating pizza and chatting with my family at the dinner table.

For the love of sanity please vote.

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u/brandall10 4d ago

I had the CNN chiron burned into my OLED panel to the point I was able to get it replaced under warranty. After he was out, stopped watching cable news entirely.

TDS is real and the source is the fucker himself.

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u/zSprawl 3d ago

He got a national stage to do his MAGA rally performance act.

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u/WhiskeyFF 3d ago

I was HIGH AS A KITE thinking that would taper off some of trumps nonsense. Nope, it barely took the edge off for Bidens answers

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u/Personal_Captain5317 3d ago

Me too..2016 traumatic anxiety.

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u/roberta_sparrow New York 3d ago

I’m with you on the existential anxiety I thought I left behind when Biden defeated trump in 2020

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u/NWHummingbird 3d ago

I am with you! So much anxiety. I started swearing during the Trump years because I couldn’t take all the sh— without reacting in a negative manner

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u/piss_kicker 3d ago

Same! Same. Good god, I fucking hated it.

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u/TahitianPearl 3d ago

It's true - I'm the least anxious person I know and he gives me anxiety.

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u/Acceptable_Cut_7545 3d ago

MoodI. I put my headphones on halfway through and went back to skyrim because I couldn't stand his bizarre ass word salad again. Exhausting.

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u/PinkTaricIRL 3d ago

It gave me a level of anxiety I have experienced for the last 9 years.

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u/bungerman 3d ago

Combined with covid

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u/Particular_Ad_5928 1d ago

Y’all are soft. Trumps coming back😊