If Biden had slept through the entire debate I'd still vote for him over Trump.
I'd vote for a card board cut out of Biden over Trump.
You need to understand the President is more of a figure head than a useful role. He can't do anything on his own except moving troops around. All you want in a president is someone who isn't crazy and likely to start a war. That is all you need. His aides take care of most things for him. He's just a decision maker and has lots of people helping him make those decisions. But he can't really pass any laws himself. Executive orders have narrow reaches and that is all he can do.
Yes, same. My fear is about how his performance went over with those on the sidelines whom we need to motivate to vote. We needed them to see Biden like he is here at the rally or during SOTU.
Yes. My opinions on Biden and Trump have not changed. I know their policies, I paid attention during their presidential terms. I know their characters. And I understand what the presidency is and is not.
My concern is how many low propensity voters or undecided voters are making decisions purely based on feel and appearance. Frankly, those folks are morons who have failed to perform the due diligence required to make an informed decision according to their civic responsibilities. The future of our nation rests squarely on the shoulders of the apathetic and uninformed. I’m concerned Biden’s debate performance will harm voter turnout efforts amongst those demographics.
True, they likely didn't sit there watching the whole thing. However, they're now being bombarded with clips from the debate where Biden did so poorly on TV and online, in addition to all the discussion. Sadly, this performance got broadcast wider than any of his others, except maybe the SOTU.
I consider myself plugged in and I didn’t watch it, only saw Jon Stewart’s response to it. Which yeah it wasn’t great but whatever. I think most people will likely remember the shitty 4 years of Trump
Man, I hope they remember and also understand the threats to our rights with him in office. I see way too much of people stating how things were cheaper under him and failing to remember it was due to the pandemic.
P.S. wish I had only watched Jon's coverage. I did not need those 90 minutes of panic.
This election is about, more than anything else, abortion. Not Biden. All the electoral results and their delta to polls for the last couple of years are telling us this. Biden is not a great debater, maybe even not a great candidate full stop, but he has huge tailwinds. Why sputter up the airplane engine with the major drama of replacement?
I’m gonna be honest, I was seriously doomposting this morning.
I seriously wanted another candidate. If Biden stays, it is what it is.
There is enough time between now and November for Biden to still win this shit. But yesterday did him no favors and is likely going to turn a neck and neck race into an uphill battle.
What interesting is at least some focus groups I’ve been seeing about generally had the view of “Biden struggled but the other guy is fucking insane” so that’s a silver lining at least
I'm VERY cautiously optimistic. It was a bit of a relief to hear and I'm hoping this is more widespread among the independents/undecideds. Hoping for more reassuring news in the coming weeks with polling
A cardboard cut out should be able to beat Trump if the dumbass democrats would stop worrying and fighting with each other long enough to form a united front and vote for that cut out.
You need to vote for Biden or shut up and admit you are helpiing Trump win. These are your choices. He's not dropping out or being replaced. The top democrats have rallied behind him, his campaign said he's not going anywhere, and he made more money today than any previous day of his campaign. You are the delusional one and you need to stop posting.
Saying the president of the United States, likely the most powerful man in the world, is just a figure head is very strange. If the president is apparently meek and powerless, how is Trump such a threat in the role?
Because Trump is weak and stupid and therefore easily manipulated through flattery and shiny things. It's why Putin targeted him way back. Same for China and the Saudis.
The rub isn’t that the President can’t be to sole seat of the Executive power, it is that the President doesn’t have to be the seat.
Biden is a better choice because his goals are to make the country better and he has surrounded himself with people to do that. The axiom, a good leader has the best advisors.
Trump is a danger because he doesn’t listen to anything except that which feeds his ego or his bank account and every advisor around him will be chosen to reinforce this goal regardless of the national impact
Sure, that's important, but so is having a president with good communication skills who can speak both to the public and foreign leaders. Yes, as is always obvious, Trump is worse, but we shouldn't overlook the importance of a leader who is younger and can communicate even without his advisors.
Sorry, I was being explanatory on how he could be successful.
He is already in office and, imo, currently better with both communication skills and foreign leaders than Trump was in his four year sample. He is not the best, but may be the only electable democrat at the moment. He ran last time because all the alternatives were too liberal to win in a general election.
We are getting a second Trump or a second Biden term. No need to ask a hypothetical question here, they both have massive track records and everyone knows exactly what these terms represents.
We have never had two candidates with such a long history, nor such divisive future for the country. I can’t understand who the age thing is such a big deal given the other facts here.
Because the people around him are putting all those horrible judges/draconioan laws into place which are literally going to be affecting your life for the next 50 years. How is this so hard to see?
That’s not something Biden struggles with though. Biden is perfectly capable of making decisions, wielding power, and hiring people. He has very strong values even if he sucks at communicating them.
Because Trump wants to fire everyone in the executive branch and government employees (up to 20,000 people) and replace them with rabid cult members. Then he will get to nominate hundreds more federal judges that are loyal to him.
Right, which is a very powerful position and not just a figurehead. Someone who controls the judiciary like that is a "useful role" unlike what the OP suggested.
I'm voting blue no matter who. Here's the issue with Biden though. He is, right now, depressing enthusiasm. It might drive you crazy to think that people need to be enthused to vote to save Democracy. But they do.
No, we are talking about a vote for Biden or Trump. Those are your choices. He's not dropping out. You don't have another choice. Wake up to reality. Stop being naive.
You don't get to choose candidates because you are unhappy. You vote for your party's candidate and you do it with a smile. That is how American politics works.
Obviously you are young and haven't figured this out.
If you are a Republican and vote for Trump you are also a traitor to the country. A vote for Trump is endorsement of a traitor.
Everyone here is voting. If you think you're convincing anyone to vote by posting on this subreddit, you are wasting your time. We are talking about the Americans who dont pay attention to politics and how they are likely going to react to Biden's performance last night. They will have likely heard it said, "Biden is too old" and then when they see the clips from last night, they'll likely agree with that.
Like the other guy said, you're missing the point of this thread. It's not about not voting Democrat; it's about whether someone with Biden's cognitive issues should be on the ticket.
Obviously, I'm voting for Biden because I like him and his administration has been great, but that doesn't mean he's the right candidate. Part of being president is projecting strength and conviction, to sell your achievements, and he isn't able to do that. He has clear medical issues. He's 81. It's wrong on many levels.
you’re crazy for saying you want an incompetent elderly man to be the “figurehead” for our country because you’re scared of the orange man. I’d rather have someone who knows what they’re doing and where they’re at (literally knows where they’re at with biden) then having the presidents aides make all the decisions. Get real
lol biden needs to be in a retirement home. I’m personally all for RFK (who got snubbed and should’ve been up there last night). But i’d vote for trump over biden any day. Biden doesn’t even know where he is most of the week
That person's post reminds me of when that moron Jason Smith said "you'll never believe us". MAGA is getting more and more desperate every day we get closer to the election.
This sub blew up with nothing but negative articles and comments about Biden after like 10 minutes of the debate. It was insane, just article after article of hate.
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u/Thorne1269 4d ago
If Biden had slept through the entire debate I'd still vote for him over Trump.
I'd vote for a card board cut out of Biden over Trump.
You need to understand the President is more of a figure head than a useful role. He can't do anything on his own except moving troops around. All you want in a president is someone who isn't crazy and likely to start a war. That is all you need. His aides take care of most things for him. He's just a decision maker and has lots of people helping him make those decisions. But he can't really pass any laws himself. Executive orders have narrow reaches and that is all he can do.