'Chill The F**k Out': John Fetterman Urges Democrats To Stick With Joe Biden | The Pennsylvania senator reminded panicked Democrats on Friday that he too had a bad debate once, yet he went on to win his Senate seat.

[u/Murky-Site7468]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debate-john-fetterman_n_667ea850e4b0415858d6a2f1

[u/born_tolove1]

Interesting how his rally today was very very good

[u/ErikFuhr → u/born_tolove1]

Anyone who has had a loved one suffer from dementia or Alzheimer’s knows that there are good days and there are bad days. It honestly doesn’t surprise me if he was totally baffled and confused last night and then seemingly fine today. My grandpa was like that for years until the bad days steadily outnumbered the good days and then there were just no more good days. It’s sad, but for the good of the country and the sake of our democracy Joe needs to step aside for a younger and healthier candidate.

[u/born_tolove1 → u/ErikFuhr]

He won’t do that. The incumbent advantage + his ego.

[u/ErikFuhr → u/born_tolove1]

His ego is leading the country towards catastrophe. Obama, the Clintons, Schumer, Pelosi all need to sit down with Joe and explain this to him. Everyone in the party, down to the rank and file members, needs to put pressure on him to step aside now. If you genuinely believe that democracy is on the ballot this election, and it absolutely is, then we need someone stronger and healthier than a senile old man leading the fight.

[u/Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp → u/ErikFuhr]

No one can overcome the incumbent advantage + spin up a competent campaign to get a better result than Biden. It would be impossible at this point. Campaigns don’t grow on trees. It’s Biden or bust. 

[u/builttopostthis6 → u/Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpp]

This is absolutely true. Whatever may come of the debate, spooling up another campaign is one of those silly Redditor talking points that will no doubt be going until November 5th, and maybe beyond. It's Biden or bust, most certainly, just like it was yesterday. And it's wishful thinking to assume otherwise, and seeing people talking about a brokered convention legit made me laugh. There hasn't been a brokered convention in longer than most Americans have been alive.

If I'm somehow wrong about that, well I guess I'm wrong. But it'd certainly come as a surprise.

[u/ErikFuhr → u/builttopostthis6]

Do you even read newspapers? This isn’t some silly Redditor talking point. There’s editorials in every newspaper calling for Biden to step aside. The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Atlantic, the list goes on and on… Biden has completely lost the mainstream media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/28/opinion/biden-election-debate-trump.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/06/biden-trump-debate-election/678835/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/06/28/david-ignatius-biden-trump-debate-age/

And that’s just a small sample of the editorials calling for him to stand aside.

[u/builttopostthis6 → u/ErikFuhr]

Wow, way to lead off with the personal insult. Thanks for that.

To your actual point, I'd ask, "Did Biden have the mainstream media at some point?" Prior to 6/27, I'm pretty sure we can go back and find a handful (or forty) of articles from WaPo, NYT and "newspapers" that call out Joe Biden's age. Hell, for funsies:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/10/us/politics/biden-trump-age.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/03/biden-age-trump-polling-2024-election/677648/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/09/biden-memory-age-hur-documents/

Just for the record, I had to scroll through about two dozen pages of Google search results of the publications you cited to find some opinions that weren't published in the last twelve hours. Read into that what you will.

Joe Biden has never "had" the fourth estate. If he did, the accomplishments of his administration would have put him out of reach of polling errors a long time ago. The mainstream media (of which Reddit is certainly a part, as a publicly-traded news aggregator/advertising vehicle) is completely invested in a horse race narrative, and they got an early Christmas present last night, unfortunately, but most definitely.

That said, if you honestly think that a brokered convention is on the table, or that the Democratic candidate will not be Joe Biden, you're kidding yourself.

What that means in the long run for the election, who knows. But let's be real. And a I said, I'll certainly be surprised if it's otherwise (I'll hedge my bets). It's not outside of the realm of possibility. But it is highly, highly (highly) unlikely. There's a better chance there'll be a second debate, or even that you and I end up on the Democratic ticket (and even noticing your Canadian flair, I stand by that prediction). :P

[u/TheSavageDonut → u/ErikFuhr]

Democracy is on the ballot because of what Trump will do if we re-elect him not because of what Biden will do if we re-elect him.