r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 • 4d ago

'Chill The F**k Out': John Fetterman Urges Democrats To Stick With Joe Biden | The Pennsylvania senator reminded panicked Democrats on Friday that he too had a bad debate once, yet he went on to win his Senate seat.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-debate-john-fetterman_n_667ea850e4b0415858d6a2f1
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u/DannySmashUp 4d ago

I hope and pray that Biden wins. For the sake of maintaining American democracy, NATO and the sanity of the planet.

But Fetterman is not someone I will ever listen to.

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u/DuskGideon 4d ago

Don't waste your time with that. Pray he gets replaced with someone who can win instead.

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u/MrEHam 4d ago

It’s too late for that. Biden already beat Trump once. They voted anti-Trump and they’ll do it again.

Let’s see what has happened since then:

  1. ⁠⁠⁠Trump became a felon.

  2. ⁠⁠⁠Trump tried to overthrow democracy by sending an armed angry mob to Congress and plotted to have fake votes counted.

  3. ⁠⁠⁠He has more pending criminal trials including mishandling top secret documents and election interference.

  4. ⁠⁠⁠He was found liable for sexual assault.

  5. ⁠⁠⁠He was found guilty of inflating his assets to obtain better loans.

  6. ⁠⁠⁠Biden has a track record of decades-high legislative achievements and a booming economy with lower inflation than most other developed countries.

  7. ⁠⁠⁠Abortion was severely limited or banned in some states which led to a blue wave of victories.

I don’t see how Biden stumbling on a dozen words last night is going to move the needle much. People are still going to vote anti-Trump.

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u/NinjaOtter 4d ago

General population doesn't give a shit about that if Trump promises more money in their pockets

People are simple man, and all that "noise" flies in one ear and out the other for them

Just because you're rational doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to see the irrationality of the populace

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u/thrivingintheblue 4d ago

Trump has never won a popular vote

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 4d ago

Ya people have forgotten Biden only ever won in 2020 because people hate Trump.

Also, thanks for a non-reactionary take.

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u/SchemeMoist 4d ago

That might have worked last election but doing this whole "put up a terrible candidate and threaten people into voting for them because the alternative is trump" will only work for so long, and this is the 3rd election of this shit. And Biden is noticeably, visibly worse this election.

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u/MrEHam 4d ago

No problem. If you want to feel better about Biden’s mental faculties you should watch his speech from today.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s5CVZHAjrW8

It’s great!

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u/DuskGideon 4d ago

You're acting like replacing Biden wouldn't improve the odds of Trump losing. Your facts are good, but your base premise is flawed.

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u/MrEHam 4d ago

I don’t think it would. Biden is a known quantity that beat him already.

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u/MetalMeddler 4d ago

Biden won.. barely because he convinced people that don’t like him to vote against Trump. Can the same excuse be used again? I thought voting for Biden in 2020 would buy 4 years for a good candidate to arise. Since there is no other good candidate then why should I buy 4 more years for the dipshit dems to put Hillary back in there. There is no leadership in America.

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u/MrEHam 4d ago

Since Biden beat Trump, Trump has become a felon, found liable for sexual assault, instigated Jan 6, and has other criminal charges pending.

Meanwhile Biden has had a very successful four years.

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u/MetalMeddler 4d ago

And he should have used those successful 4 years to find a successor. His VP isn’t even someone he sees as a successor or else she would’ve ran instead.

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u/DuskGideon 4d ago

My boomer step mother, one week ago, spent 20 minutes attempting to convince me that Biden is still mentally sharp and charismatic.

I told her this was how the debate would go. I told her I saw live town halls four years ago where Biden was already not answering questions correctly, getting confused and verbally trailing off. She didn't believe me.

MSM gaslit her. MSM gaslit millions of Americans. He should never have won the primary four years ago but they deliberately downplayed and hid this crap from the public. The boomer suburbanite base that voted for him for 2020 most certainly was not largely aware that Biden's mind was already going because they were watching MSNBC and CNN.

Edit - I've spoken to her since the debate. Her view of him was completely shattered.

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u/MrEHam 4d ago

Well you should feel pretty bad then because the last four years have been good. I care more about results than armchair diagnosis.

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u/DuskGideon 4d ago

Pretty good how?

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u/MrEHam 4d ago

Biggest climate change bill ever

Biggest gun reform in over two decades

Chips act

Great economy with lower inflation than most other developed nations

Infrastructure bill

United world against Putin invading Europe

Capped price of insulin

Unprecedented student loan forgiveness

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u/MetalMeddler 4d ago

Minimum wage is still the same $7.25. I’m 27 years old and the minimum wage has been the same since I was 12. I don’t make minimum wage but I also don’t benefit any more from Biden in office than Trump. At least in a Trump presidency people are actually motivated to go outside and burn shit. I also already paid off my college. Biggest climate bill and most extensive drilling in American history.

Biden doesn’t propose solutions to fix things, just band aids to prevent people from rioting.

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u/Chorizo_Charlie 4d ago

Any chance of Biden winning died on the stage last night. It's over for him.

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u/Youbunchadorks 4d ago

Man imagine spewing this much hyperbole. Debates rarely move the needle in terms of voters. Biden was a goddamn train wreck last night but his chance of winning died? Nah.

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u/Chorizo_Charlie 4d ago

Debates rarely move the needle in terms of voters.

Debate performances have literally never been as bad as Biden was last night. Anyone still willing to vote for Biden is an accomplice to elder abuse.

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u/Youbunchadorks 4d ago

Ya and it doesn’t move the needle because the viewership isn’t there. Which was my point. Like I said it was a fucking train wreck and I hope they replace him but saying it’s over? That’s dumb

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u/GoodUserNameToday 4d ago

Yeah he’s pro worker and isn’t a corrupt corporate stooge, but he thinks Israel should defend itself so obviously he has lost all credibility

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u/CFBCoachGuy 4d ago

And pro-Israel a winning strategy in his state.

That’s why fighting conservatives is always an uphill battle: conservatives fall in line. If a Democrat does one thing liberal voters disagree with, he’s the exact same as Trump.

Trump supporters are still voting for Trump (and are voting) regardless of that debate. The fact that some Democrats’ response to a bad debate (by someone who’s been already been accused of weak leadership) is to openly put forth other candidates shows that Democrats can’t agree on leadership, and it plays right into the GOP’s hands.

Fetterman’s right, Dems should be circling the wagons and spinning the narrative about abortion, the Supreme Court, and the eroding of democracy. Not entertaining this.

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 4d ago

Well that's on liberals then for being naive frankly. They also gobble up a lot of bullshit media just like Republicans and love to get reactionary as can be.